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“Mujibur Rahman was now in his elements. He said that the purpose of calling the meeting was to hand over to me a top secret letter to be forwarded to the Prime Minister of India in a diplomatic bag…I told him that apart from me, more importantly, it would be seen by two other officers in the Indian Diplomatic Mission in Dhaka before it was forwarded to the Prime Minister. Mujib asked who the two officers would be in the High Commission in Dhaka. With some hesitation but only to earn their trust I gave Mujib and Manik Mia the names: Mr Sourja Kumar Choudhury, the Deputy High Commissioner of India who was the Head of Mission in Dhaka and Colonel SC Ghosh, the Station Chief of Indian Intelligence in East Pakistan…” Banerjee, Mr. Sashanka S. India, Mujibur Rahman, Bangladesh Liberation & Pakistan (A Political Treatise) Kindle Edition.

Few in Pakistan or for that matter in India, have ever heard the name of Sashanka S. Bannerjee. And they can certainly be forgiven; he was not a Bollywood celebrity, nor a famous politician, nor the kind of intellectual that matters. His writing is full of self glorifying pontification, nauseating bigotry and hatred for Pakistanis, more specifically Punjabi Muslims of Pakistan; he hides his religious and racial prejudices under several confused notions of democracy, secularism and ambiguous mantras of “shared values” – but he definitely earns a bit of place, a few centimeters may be, in the intertwined, twisted and painful histories of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Sashanka Bannerjee tells us that Pundit Nehru’s team had told Mujib in 1963, that India would be ready to come forward to offer a “wholesome strategic support when a critical mass was achieved”.

Bannerjee deserves these few centimeters, not because his book represents scholarship or great ideas, but because of one strange meeting he happened to be a part of. It was a cold Christmas night in Dacca, on Dec 25, 1962 – exactly nine years before the fateful surrender of Pakistani garrison in the former East Pakistan to Indian forces. Meeting with Sheikh Mujib ur Rehman, on that fateful Christmas night, was arranged by Tofazzal Hossain, remembered in Bangladesh’s history as Manik Miah; he was a Bengali journalist and politician, editor of fiery “Ittefaq” in early 1960’s. His editorial “Rajnoitik Moncho” or “The political stage” was immensely popular and influential at that time – Manik Mian Avenue of Dacca city was named after him, by a grateful Sheikh Mujib after the creation of Bangladesh. Sashanka Bannerjee, was then political counsellor in Indian consulate of Dacca – and someone known to Manik Miah.

Mujib-ur-Rehman was then, in December 1962, not the Bangabandhu, of later years; he was not even the president of Awami League. And this is two years before his supporting Fatima Jinnah in 1964 elections, three years before the 1965 Indo-Pakistan war and almost four years before he came up with his famous “Six Points” – but he was an important charismatic Bengali leader, marked for his fiery oratory; someone destined to play a role in South Asian history. Bannerjee describes this Mujib, pleading for PM Nehru’s material support to declare the independence of Bangladesh from London at the earliest by 1 February 1963 or latest by 1 March 1963, setting up a Provisional Government of a Sovereign Democratic Republic of Bangladesh in exile in London.

This meeting was followed by series of meetings between Sheikh Mujib, Sourja Kumar Choudhury, the Deputy High Commissioner of India (Head of Mission in Dhaka), Colonel SC Ghosh, the Station Chief of Indian Intelligence in East Pakistan and Bannerjee – all in utmost secrecy. Mujib’s top secret letter, addressed by name to Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India, was forwarded, after some weeks, to Delhi in a triple coded cypher message, delivered to Nehru in his office in South Bloc on the Raisina Hill. Nehru, was then, according to Bannerjee, “in a state of personal shock” after Indian humiliation at the hands of Chinese in Himalayas; hands of Chinese in Himalayas; yet he saw to it that there was no delay in calling a meeting of his top security advisers including his foreign secretary, his intelligence chiefs and military advisers.

In the weeks that followed, Mujib became impatient and in his desperation to reach out to Nehru crossed border to have series of meetings with Tripura’s Chief Minister, Sachin Singh, in Agartala – what became famous as “Agartala Conspiracy Case”, since Intelligence Bureau (IB) of then East Pakistan intercepted him on his return journey. Did Mujib’s Agartala meetings with Sachin Singh crystallized action in Delhi is not clear; but a comprehensive response from Pundit Nehru was waiting for him in Dhaka. Our narrator, Bannerjee, was initially disappointed by Nehru’s response to Sheikh Mujib. Shrewd Pundit, Gandhi’s able pupil, and Mountbatten’s trained statesman, conveyed to an eager Sheikh, that the “international situation was neither propitious nor opportune” for Mujib to declare independence just at that time. If Mujib wanted India’s support to be “effective and resolute”, India’s thinking was that he would have to wait for the right moment – Indian PM asserted.

But, Nehru clarified: New Delhi stood ready to extend “multi-tiered moral, political, and material support” as needed. However, for the safety and security of the leadership, the strategic partnership must be run within a framework of utmost secrecy with a right of denial as and when required. Indian PM’s team advised that Bangladesh’s road map to freedom should not be rushed. It must be properly calibrated to avoid pitfalls; they argued that Mujib’s heading to London to declare an “Independent Bangladesh” at this stage would not serve any purpose.

It was assessed, by South block, that international opinion would side with Pakistan – a receptive atmosphere was to be created. Mujib was thus advised that he would have to spend a few years building his mass base on a countrywide basis, he had to organize Awami league, on the patterns of Gandhi’s door to door fund raising movement against British; Delhi was prepared to help him train how to conduct “campaigns for enhanced mass membership”- especially in the “rural heartland of East Pakistan”; he had to “create congenial conditions for political action”- an atmosphere in which world would take him seriously and India could act decisively.

Bannerjee, our narrator, who enjoys few centimeters in South Asian history, thus becomes important, not because of his research but, because he was a direct witness to those interactions and correspondences that took place between an aspiring Sheikh Mujib and Nehru’s core team from the December of 1962 till the end of 1963. His place in history was definitely assured when in early 2011 – while living in London – on 40th anniversary of the creation of Bangladesh, he received a phone call for writing a book; his memoirs. On the other end of the line was Bangladesh’s Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina. “She gave me access to her personal archives as she wanted me to write about the liberation of a nation about which little had been written so far,” Bannerjee told, Smitha Verma of Telegraph.

The outcome of his efforts was: “India, Mujibur Rehman, Bangladesh Liberation & Pakistan”, published by Amazon, online, as a kindle edition in end 2011 – to coincide with Bangladesh’s 40th anniversary. Fast forward to March 1971; Pundit Nehru’s daughter and then Prime Minister of India, Indira Gandhi, on 27 March 1971, two days after the ill fated Operation Search Light, by Pakistani forces, in Dacca, thundered in her parliament: expressing full support of her government for the independence struggle of the people of East Pakistan and argued that instead of taking in millions of refugees, it was economical to go to war against Pakistan. On 28 April 1971, the Gandhi cabinet ordered the Chief of the Army Staff General Sam Manekshaw to “Go into East Pakistan”.

University students, across the world – from LUMS in Lahore to London School of Economics or Oxford in the UK – are taught that it was only then that Indian Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) started using the Indian refugee camps for recruitment and training of Mukti Bahini guerrillas that were to be trained against Pakistani army. But most of the official records of the 1971 war, held at Kolkota, had been destroyed immediately after the war by the Indian Army’s Eastern Command.

The destroyed files, according to army sources, included those on the creation of the Mukti Bahini — the Bangladesh freedom fighters — and all appreciation and assessments made by the Indian army during the war period, the orders issued to fighting formations, and other sensitive operational details. Times of India discovered that only in 2010, when preparations were being made by Indian army itself to welcome the old Mukti Bahni veterans. Army sources discovered that the destruction may have happened when Lt General Jagjit Singh Aurora, the Indian army’s commanding officer on the eastern front, headed the Eastern Command.

Bannerjee, our narrator, who enjoys few centimeters in South Asian history, thus becomes important, not because of his research but, because he was a direct witness to those interactions and correspondences.

Those records, if not systematically shredded, would have revealed when exactly the initial training of Mukti Bahni fighters had started; who trained them, who ordered them, who guided them in the theatre of conflict and how much killing had they done. Politics in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India has prevented a finer understanding of the nature and direction of political change in former East Pakistan – and Delhi’s role in it – that ultimately led to its emergence as an independent state, supported by India. In Pakistan’s peculiar civil- military divide politicians and liberals used widely exaggerated narratives of “genocide” and “rapes” and “surrender” -often referring to Army as if it’s not an institution but a race – to shift blame to their favorite punching bags: generals.

A narrow cast debate, each year on 16th December, focused on the events, of few months leading up to the fall of Dacca, and centered around the personalities of Bhutto, Mujib and Gen. Yahya Khan has prevented to this day a realization that Bengali Muslims – inheritors to a proud history, distinct culture, fiery political consciousness and a unique geographical situation surrounded by India from three sides- could not have been governed from “West Pakistan”.

This disrespect to the disciplines of political science and geography, and inability to learn lessons of history, also fails politicians, civil servants, academics, civil society and media pundits to grasp that Pakistan today needs effective devolution in the form of smaller provinces, (3 million massacre & 3 million rapes) independent city governments like London and meaningful local governments to take its diverse population of 210 million into 21st century. William Drummond, Prof of Journalism at University of California, had also served as Associate Press Secretary to President Jimmy Carter.

A life long awarded journalist, he was Los Angeles Times, Bureau Chief in New Delhi, in 1971-72. In his piece, “The Missing Millions” that appeared in June 1972, (also in The Guardian) he described the frustration of Sheikh Mujib’s government when it repeatedly failed to find any evidence to substantiate “genocide” which Sheikh, Indian politicians and media had been claiming for the past several months. Office of the Inspector General in Bangladesh’s Home Ministry had started its field enquiries in third week of March 1972; till June only around 2000 people came forward with any credible claims of killings of relatives or near ones at the hands of Pakistani Army.

Shrewd Pundit, Gandhi’s able pupil, and Mountbatten’s trained statesman, conveyed to an eager Sheikh, that the “international situation was neither propitious nor opportune” for Mujib to declare independence just at that time. If Mujib wanted India’s support to be “effective and resolute”.

A commission set up by Sheikh Mujib, ended up similarly and realizing that it was only creating embarrassment, it was wound up before the end of 1972. No wonder that Pakistan army’s discipline broke down at several places and ugly incidents of soldiers killing young men treating them as “Mukti Bahni” happened – to institution’s lasting shame to this day. But the narratives of “genocide” Indian political establishment was as true as the story of “Weapons of Mass Destruction” Bush and Blair weaved to justify their attack on Saddam’s Iraq. Pakistan and Bangladesh started to overcome the agonies of civil war and separation even in Sheikh Mujib’s time, before his painful end.

And in the period 1980-1990’s both states together created and pushed the forum of “SAARC” to balance India’s hegemonic position in the region. When Dr. Sharmilla Bose’s authoritative research, “Dead Reckoning” appeared in 2011, many in Bangladesh and India described that as “revisionist history” and “Blood Telegram” came as a sort of rejoinder in 2013– from some one (Gary Bass) who had no direct relation or ability to judge the events of 1971.

On the contrary, Sarmilla Bose, University of Oxford Fellow, grand niece of Bengal’s famous son, Subhas Chnadra Bose, (nick named Neta Ji), President of Congress in 1930’s, had deep roots in the region – and Bengal. Few have realized that “Shahbag movement” was in reality the “quintessential revisionist effort” that purposefully reenacted a narrative that had died, for want of evidence, even in the life of Sheikh Mujib. But, prime minister, Hasina, backed by an establishment in Delhi, forcefully reconfigured Bangladesh’s politics; by targeting Jammat-e-Islami through witch hunt, sham trials and hangings forty years after the civil war of 1971. Political field was ruthlessly shifted turning Bangladesh effectively into a one party state.

At the beginning of 21st century, both Muslim nations– progenies of the vision of Lahore Declaration of 1940 – await the visions of a new generation of politicians, academics and media to heal the wounds and exorcise demons created by the politics, and strategic goals, of a difficult region. Sashanka Bannerjee tells us that Pundit Nehru’s team had told Mujib in 1963, that India would be ready to come forward to offer a “wholesome strategic support when a critical mass was achieved”. He, who was initially disappointed by Pundit’s strategic plan, in 1963, argues, while reflecting back after 40 years, that it “was amazing that the road map laid on the table by India and agreed to by Mujib happened to tick like clockwork.

From conceptualization to completion of the mission, both sides worked smartly and with dedication, which helped the liberation struggle take a little over seven short years, beginning in 1963 and ending in 1971, to complete its mission”

Moeed Pirzada is prominent TV Anchor & commentator; he studied international relations at Columbia Univ, New York and law at London School of Economics. Twitter: MoeedNj. This well research piece has appeared in the December 2017 issue of Magazine “Global Village Space”
 
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Mujib did not want to break Pakistan into two. It was Yahya Khan and ZA Bhutto who conspired to stage a de-facto military coup in 1971 by denying the right to form the next government of Pakistan by Sk. Mujib, the majority leader. The conspiracy then backfired on the faces of those two rebels, and Pakistan was divided into two because of them. Yahya wanted to cling to power and Bhutto wanted to bypass Mujib and become the PM.

Why some guys should bring out something that cannot be proved in a Court of arbitration? Better ask the two Pakistan leaders why did not any of them meet Sk. Mujib when he was held captive for 10 months in a west Pakistani jail in 1971? Now, you guys are coming with something to prove that Mujib was a traitor. It was not him, but the two rebels who brought catastrophe to Pakistan. Well, now we do not regret the outcome. Thank you Yahya Khan and Thank You Bhutto for the toufa (gift).
 
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Mujib did not want to break Pakistan into two. It was Yahya Khan and ZA Bhutto who conspired to stage a de-facto military coup in 1971 by denying the right to form the next government of Pakistan by Sk. Mujib, the majority leader. The conspiracy then backfired on the faces of those two rebels, and Pakistan was divided into two because of them. Yahya wanted to cling to power and Bhutto wanted to bypass Mujib and become the PM.

Why some guys should bring out something that cannot be proved in a Court of arbitration? Better ask the two Pakistan leaders why did not any of them meet Sk. Mujib when he was held captive for 10 months in a west Pakistani jail in 1971? Now, you guys are coming with something to prove that Mujib was a traitor. It was not him, but the two rebels who brought catastrophe to Pakistan. Well, now we do not regret the outcome. Thank you Yahya Khan and Thank You Bhutto for the toufa (gift).

Why did you bother to reply to that garbage? What is the significance of this picking at scabs when the bald truth is that the Awami League had won the elections, on terms set by the Army, the Martial Law Administration and the other political parties, including Bhutto's? What Yahya Khan and Z. A. Bhutto did thereafter was so utterly wrong that there is this intense need for some 'loyal' Pakistanis to keep raising this bogey again and again, to try and convey that there was something wrong about that victory, or that there was something crooked about the horror stories, that everybody else was wrong except for them, poor, harmless victims of fate and criminal conspiracies.
 
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Thanks for the input. Note about the current events in Pakistan. This country is the mother of all terrorism. Even tens of people were killed by bombing of a Church last week. Pakistan initiated Taleban, but is blaming others including the USA for this.

Taleban was formed in Pakistan soil by the full approval of its govt. Yes, USA did help in its formation by paying billions of dollars to the rich Vaddera generals of Pakistan. But, why Pakistan formed Taleban? It was because, Pakistan wanted to use them in conquering Kashmir in reciprocity.

But, their every ill plan blew on their face. It is the same way that the thick-headed Pakistanis lost east Pakistan. They wanted to show the world how brave they are in fighting, but ended up in failure when 90,000 of PA troops were captured by India. It is a shame for any country. But, nothing can stop them from conspiring against its neighbors. It is in their very DNA that started in 1857, when they sided with the British against their fellow countrymen.

I believe that you are speaking from a position of genuine good feeling towards peace-loving and well-intentioned Pakistanis, and from a position of positive feeling towards the nation-state of Pakistan, wishing it and its citizens to be prosperous and flourishing, without harm to anyone else. The biggest enemies of the Pakistani people and the Pakistani nation are not outsiders; they are entities within Pakistan, including the hidden nexus between the diplomatic service, the civil service and a section of the military, that have clever ideas that are completely unworkable, and have caused irretrievable harm to the nation of Pakistan and its citizens.

India is not the enemy, Afghanistan is not the enemy, the US is not the enemy; it is these elements within Pakistan that is the enemy.

This is the harsh truth, and unacceptable to Pakistani fan-boys. This fellow who has reported you is one of the most narrow-minded fan-boys, and is both ill-informed as well as unwilling to accept that he is ill-informed.

The lesson from history is that the Pakistani deep state is tactically astute, and strategically incompetent. They manage to launch misadventures that completely destroy their own forces and substantially weaken their state. The deep state does not want to know that it has bungled; their standard operating procedure is a cover-up, and that cover-up is from judicial commission to judicial commission, from "The 1954 Justice Munir Commission Report On The Anti Ahmadi Riots Of Punjab In 1953", to "The War Enquiry Commission", popularly known as the Hamoodur Rahman Commission.

Now the latest blunder is the lifting of the blockade by the religious fanatics, and the refusal of the Army to act on the mischievous intentions of the civilian government. These civilians allowed the situation to deteriorate, and brought it to the stage where they could ask the Army to intervene, thereby absolving themselves of all blame. In their plan, the Army would be positioned against the people; if the Army acted, the clerics would blame Ahmadi favouring elements within the Army, and if it didn't act, or acted and failed, the civilians would be able to say forever into the future that the military were not effective and that it was actually their fault that the situation went sour.

It is the people of Pakistan who have to dismantle this apparatus of coercion. We can only wish them well from the sidelines.
 
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Thanks for the input. Note about the current events in Pakistan. This country is the mother of all terrorism. Even tens of people were killed by bombing of a Church last week. Pakistan initiated Taleban, but is blaming others including the USA for this.

Taleban was formed in Pakistan soil by the full approval of its govt. Yes, USA did help in its formation by paying billions of dollars to the rich Vaddera generals of Pakistan. But, why Pakistan formed Taleban? It was because, Pakistan wanted to use them in conquering Kashmir in reciprocity.

But, their every ill plan blew on their face. It is the same way that the thick-headed Pakistanis lost east Pakistan. They wanted to show the world how brave they are in fighting, but ended up in failure when 90,000 of PA troops were captured by India. It is a shame for any country. But, nothing can stop them from conspiring against its neighbors. It is in their very DNA that started in 1857, when they sided with the British against their fellow countrymen.

Could you please tell us when did Pakistan formed Taliban. Taliban were the product of Afghan civil War. Did Pakistan provide any man power or weapons to Taliban? The only support which Pakistan gave was the diplomatic support. And that too when they captured the Kabul. Yes after 1979 most of the Afghan leadership got sheltered in Pakistan and through this Pakistan got some influence as well but saying that the whole Taliban episode was the brainchild of Pak govt is complete nonsense.
 
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Mujib did not want to break Pakistan into two. It was Yahya Khan and ZA Bhutto who conspired to stage a de-facto military coup in 1971 by denying the right to form the next government of Pakistan by Sk. Mujib, the majority leader. The conspiracy then backfired on the faces of those two rebels, and Pakistan was divided into two because of them. Yahya wanted to cling to power and Bhutto wanted to bypass Mujib and become the PM.

Why some guys should bring out something that cannot be proved in a Court of arbitration? Better ask the two Pakistan leaders why did not any of them meet Sk. Mujib when he was held captive for 10 months in a west Pakistani jail in 1971? Now, you guys are coming with something to prove that Mujib was a traitor. It was not him, but the two rebels who brought catastrophe to Pakistan. Well, now we do not regret the outcome. Thank you Yahya Khan and Thank You Bhutto for the toufa (gift).
funny thing is that the concept of separate country for Muslim was created by Muslim league party, and the party was created by Bengalis. Most of the Pakistanis either don't know or try to ignore.
 
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I believe that you are speaking from a position of genuine good feeling towards peace-loving and well-intentioned Pakistanis, and from a position of positive feeling towards the nation-state of Pakistan, wishing it and its citizens to be prosperous and flourishing, without harm to anyone else.

Really?

I don't see the good feelings here. He called us mother of terrorism without realizing that the open involvement of a certain super power has created terror networks from pakistan to all the way to Libya. That's across the middle east. We have done absolutely nothing of the sort.

And it is very funny that he is trying to throw into our faces our lack of involvement in the 1857 war without realizing the fact that the Punjab area has fought a bloody war in 1849 and sindh has faced a brutal assault in 1843. Maybe these areas would have fought more harder in 1857 had a certain "mir" gifted the area to the British a hundred years before 1857 and you know not suffered massive losses just 9-14 years before the rebellion. Oh well let's still paint brush the people and forget the bands of rebellion that did happen in 1857. I am not going to go into the west of the indus campaigns of british and tje rebllions that happened there. So that's 220 million people with treachery in their DNA.
Yes that's great goodwill.

So the evil Pakistanis create trouble for neighbors. Let's forget the fact that majority if not all Asian nations have troubles in their neighborhood due to political, historical, economical, strategical and resource related reasons. Let's paint brush pakistan as the bad guy. Let's forget the fact that pakistan and China enjoy great relations. Let's forget the fact that Afghanistan was the one that cited against us in the UN, conspired openly, made open declarations on over half our land, supported insurgents of both pashtun and baluch nationalities and invaded bajuar but its Pakistan's fault. Let's easily forget that pakistan and Iran enjoyed great relations in the era of shah till the revolution and the announcement of Khomeini that shia all over the world should overthrow their govts. Even then pakistan maintained healthy relations despite sanctions of the west and Pakistan being in the block of the west and both pakistan and Iran have security pact to target insurgents in Iranian Baluchistan and pakistan Baluchistan. But we have evil designs bcz we are evil people of treacherous DNA.

Let's also forget that pakistan supported the Afghan mujahedeen ( not Taliban) in beating Russia which afghans take great pride in and how is it our fault that the when Russia left, Afghanistan fractured into a civil war with zones under warlord control. Not our fault they started massacring each other but evil Pakistanis supported evil afghan mujahedeen against evil Russian is it?


I am with you that his post does not a warrant a report.

I am with you that pakistan has had issues institutions fighting amongst each other.

Do we share the blame for the separation of east pakistan? Yes we do.

Did we have misadventures and cover ups? Yes just like all armies in the world however that doesn't absolve ours.

Never the less that post did not in any sense mean goodwill for us.

Fact is that we are quite frankly over it. What's done is done. Infact this 16 DEC was all about APS. Nothing on Bangladesh. You may say that its a negative and you may have a point but we are willing to let bygone be bygones. However the political structure in Bangladesh it seems has ruined years of relations by creating this obsessive environment centered around the events of 1947-1971. Its all about evil, oppression and ISI. You know it and I know it that when this becomes common to the masses, lies, deceit, historical misrepresentation and fear mongering are the first things to happen. You have seen it happen first hand.

For god's sake when the hell did our intelligence become so great that we have operations in mayanmar and Bangladesh for insurgencies in both but that's the Bangladeshi narrative. If we could do something so amazing then 1971 would not have happened as intelligence was a crucial factor in the events prior to the war.

I am sure one day a statement will come from Bangladeshi nationalist that mir jaffir was a Punjabi conspiracy and pakistan was a ploy to enslave us.


Normally I don't talk much about 1971 bcz I may say things that both won't like.


And my years on the internet has taught me that somethings are simply not worth it.

I will be doing something far more better. Spring rolls and then freeze them for snacks or the next two weeks.
 
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guilty decendents of traitors and sanghi terrorists supporting each other in thread as usual.

Well the fact is it was abnormal union from the day one, Bengalis were completely aliens to us, surrounded by bharat from all sides. they should have their separate independent bengal on 14 August 1947.

it meets its fate anyways, Pakistani writers should stop discussing this BS, better spend time on the issues like terrorism, economy, politics, geopolitics etc.

funny thing is that the concept of separate country for Muslim was created by Muslim league party, and the party was created by Bengalis. Most of the Pakistanis either don't know or try to ignore.

Thats why this party was a joke until Allama Iqbal presented 2 nation theory and Jinnah become leader.
 
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Could you please tell us when did Pakistan formed Taliban. Taliban were the product of Afghan civil War. Did Pakistan provide any man power or weapons to Taliban? The only support which Pakistan gave was the diplomatic support. And that too when they captured the Kabul. Yes after 1979 most of the Afghan leadership got sheltered in Pakistan and through this Pakistan got some influence as well but saying that the whole Taliban episode was the brainchild of Pak govt is complete nonsense.
I guess the following is relavent to your question.

After the Soviet Union intervened and occupied Afghanistan in 1979, Islamic mujahideen fighters engaged in war with those Soviet forces.

Pakistan's President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haqfeared that the Soviets were planning to invade also Balochistan, Pakistan, so he sent Akhtar Abdur Rahman to Saudi Arabia to garner support for the Afghan resistance against Soviet occupation forces. A while later, the U.S. CIA and Saudi Arabic General Intelligence Directorate (GID) funneled funding and equipment through the PakistanI Inter-Service Intelligence Agency (ISI) to the Afghan mujahideen.

Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

This is from the Wikipedia which you are going to discard anyway, but then, this particular para cites the sourse of the following:

Global Security Studies, Winter 2012, Volume 3, Issue 1
Page: 53

Pakistan: A Plethora of Problems

By Colin Price

School of Graduate and Continuing Studies in Diplomacy

Norwich University
Northfield, VT 05663
colinprice01@hotmail.com
 
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then why did Jinnah join that joke party ?

He was asked by Allama Iqbal and other influential Muslim nawabs and leaders to lead the party. he didn't join the party, he took over the tanga party as leader and turned into a force. it was nowhere before Jinnah.

it is called shameless ungrateful people.

are you talking about your bastard kind?
 
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I guess the following is relavent to your question.



Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

This is from the Wikipedia which you are going to discard anyway, but then, this particular para cites the sourse of the following:

Global Security Studies, Winter 2012, Volume 3, Issue 1
Page: 53

Pakistan: A Plethora of Problems

By Colin Price

School of Graduate and Continuing Studies in Diplomacy

Norwich University
Northfield, VT 05663
colinprice01@hotmail.com

And where did it says that Pakistan created the Taliban? The Taliban emerged in around 1994 and you are discussing the Afghan war above which started in 1979 and ended in 1989. In soviet Afghan war Pakistan only acted as middle power where all the US and Saudi moneys was going through Pakistan to Afghan people who were fighting against the USSR and Pakistan never denied this . From 1989-1993 there was a civil war in Afghanistan which caused the emergence of a powerful Taliban Group led by Mullah Omar. There were no Pakistani man, money or training involved in this.
 
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And where did it says that Pakistan created the Taliban? The Taliban emerged in around 1994 and you are discussing the Afghan war above which started in 1979 and ended in 1989. In soviet Afghan war Pakistan only acted as middle power where all the US and Saudi moneys was going through Pakistan to Afghan people who were fighting against the USSR and Pakistan never denied this . From 1989-1993 there was a civil war in Afghanistan which caused the emergence of a powerful Taliban Group led by Mullah Omar. There were no Pakistani man, money or training involved in this.
Thanks for the sane reply without any abuse or insults (which is quite rare here, I'm sure you agree :-))

I guess the article (which I quoted) says that the Pakistan government started supporting those Mujahideens which later formed the Talibs. So in short, Pakistan did play a role in forming it.

I could be wrong though, I'm open to change my opinion if there's a strong reason for it, just saying.
 
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