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Many thanks.
Thank you for your wishes.Just to let you know that more than 98% Pakistani Muslims care and pray for you guys. Trust in ALLAH. Don't worry the oppression will end soon. Just wait for the day when the population of Muslims on Western side(Pakistan+Afghanistan) and south eastern(Bangladesh) wakes up, that would be the day which will be remembered as the Start of the Downfull of once the Terror Maata of the South Asia
It is increasingly clear that Muslims are not welcome in today's India.
And to be fair, let us Muslims accept the hard truth below.
1. Hindus hate us. This includes the secularists. Even the Dalits and lower castes.
2. Sikhs also care two hoots about us, except some photo ops from Khalsa Aid, we are always going to be evil Mooslims to them. The way they forgot their humiliation and continued to serve the Indian state speaks volumes.
3. The Buddhists simply don't seem to care. Where they are a significant part of the population (Leh and Ladakh), they want to toe the Indian and pro Hindu line. They cheer the pogroms against Muslims in Sri Lanka and Myanmar. No point in expecting anything here.
4. Parsis and Christians - The Parsis seem neutral but have not done anything concrete for our plight. Even though they continue to flourish in Iran, their hatred for Muslims remains illogical. But at least they don't go about rioting against us.
The Christians are a disappointment. Even with our similarities, they continue to choose the Hindu side instead of aligning with us. If nothing at least for religious reasons. But alas.
There may be exceptions, but one cannot live a life and make decisions based on exceptions to the Rule.
The only people who can and will support us are Muslims.
Even the secularists and the communists have problem with our La ilaha illalah. So count them out too.
Only Muslims can improve the conditions of Muslims. In India as in anywhere else.
I propose the following. These are just ideas. But ideas are inherently strong. They cannot be extinguished.
1. Muslims need political power. But no political party is strong enough to support us. We should accept this fact and support only those that fight for MUSLIM rights ONLY. No other secularism platform should be tolerated. We have seen what secularism has done to our community. Only Allah swt's Deen is for us.
2. We need the means to defend ourselves. This includes all measures within and without any reference to ANY constitution of ANY country. This right is inalienable and I dont want Muslims to care about local laws. Procure arms anyway possible to defend yourselves.
3. Aggressively proselytize. Dawaah is not just for fashion. There are many people of other religions who are sympathetic to us. We should not be content that they are secular and humane. Their real test will be if they recite the Shahada. If they remain Hindu, they will be a part of the oppressor.
4. Eventually we should try to reach a significant portion of the population. Such that Hindu consolidation is unable to get political victories.
5. If that fails, we need to settle for West Bengal and the North east of India as a Muslim homeland for Indian Muslims. There can be separate Muslim nations created in Kerala, Hyderabad and elsewhere if locals there want.
The Indian Army needs to be defeated and the state authorities need to be tied down for this to happen. It may be necessary to highlight human rights abuses by Hindus as regularly as possible so that UN task forces sanction India. Eventually the economy decline will force a curtailment of the armed forces which may lead to a demoralisation.
Then we will be in a position to ask for independent republics or one amalgamated province of Muslims.
All views are welcome.
The problem with your post is this - you equate India as a State as the enemy.
That is not true. A Muslim ruled India will NOT be your enemy. We should try to make that happen. As impossible as it may sound, it is not impossible. BJP came to power with 31% of the vote and allies. If Muslims become strong enough to get to 35% of the population by any means OR by external support in the form of a liberation movement (Pakistan+Turkey+Bangladesh+Afghanistan) - it may be possible to rule even a numerically superior non Muslim majority.
Hindus have been slaves for centuries and once the leadership and military elites are destroyed, the rest will collapse. But then it should be our priority to ensure Hinduism itself is totally made a thing of the past. If there are no Hindus left there wont be any Hindutva.
Time to reiterate the great words by Allama Iqbal "I envision a separate country for Muslims of India compromising of Muslim majority areas"
I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sind and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single state. Self-government within the British Empire, or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated Northwest Indian Muslim state appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims, at least of Northwest India
Please note there is a very important distinction between what you said and he said. His emphasis was of the North West [Indus Basin] Muslims of the British Raj. And he even names those provinces. Here they are today.independent state for Muslim-majority provinces in north-western India
Please note there is a very important distinction between what you said and he said. His emphasis was of the North West [Indus Basin] Muslims of the British Raj.
I agree. There are 200 milion Muslims in India. Surely they can carve a Bhaipur within the geography of modern India. 200/1,400 million. Say about 14% of Indian geography can be reserved for Bhaipur.I mean same formula can be true for Muslims of current India.
You said:
He said:
Please note there is a very important distinction between what you said and he said. His emphasis was of the North West [Indus Basin] Muslims of the British Raj. And he even names those provinces. Here they are today.
It already has happened. I read a article in Daily Times [was a great paper then] back in early 2000s where a contributor said so and he cited historical logic to it. He says 'Hind' in 7th century to Arabs mean't the lower Indus Valley ~ that is Sindh. Which was conquered.If Hind (India) means historically the Indus Valley, then Ghazwa-E-Hind has already happened
Stop teasing her....sudhar ja larkay.Dont forget 17 year old Hindu Girls like @Amazon
Sure sure, along with former Mangrol, Munawader, Hyderabad Deccan, Kashmir and half UP.What about west up bro ?
Nice place for you guys to settle ...
I am all up for giving one district of muzaffarnagar to 200 million muslims of india ?
You guys up
Stop teasing her....sudhar ja larkay.
From what I see, you guys do not stand up for yourselves. In fact almost every Muslim all over the world is running for his life in the times of korona right now. I mean seriously? Mosques are closed, Kaaba is closed over corona fears, what the hell are we doing? Don't you guys know that Freewill and Predestination both exist according to Islam? All of us need to re-check our beliefs, our aqeedah our mazhab etc - like seriously what the hell are we doing?It is increasingly clear that Muslims are not welcome in today's India.
And to be fair, let us Muslims accept the hard truth below.
1. Hindus hate us. This includes the secularists. Even the Dalits and lower castes.
2. Sikhs also care two hoots about us, except some photo ops from Khalsa Aid, we are always going to be evil Mooslims to them. The way they forgot their humiliation and continued to serve the Indian state speaks volumes.
3. The Buddhists simply don't seem to care. Where they are a significant part of the population (Leh and Ladakh), they want to toe the Indian and pro Hindu line. They cheer the pogroms against Muslims in Sri Lanka and Myanmar. No point in expecting anything here.
4. Parsis and Christians - The Parsis seem neutral but have not done anything concrete for our plight. Even though they continue to flourish in Iran, their hatred for Muslims remains illogical. But at least they don't go about rioting against us.
The Christians are a disappointment. Even with our similarities, they continue to choose the Hindu side instead of aligning with us. If nothing at least for religious reasons. But alas.
There may be exceptions, but one cannot live a life and make decisions based on exceptions to the Rule.
The only people who can and will support us are Muslims.
Even the secularists and the communists have problem with our La ilaha illalah. So count them out too.
Only Muslims can improve the conditions of Muslims. In India as in anywhere else.
I propose the following. These are just ideas. But ideas are inherently strong. They cannot be extinguished.
1. Muslims need political power. But no political party is strong enough to support us. We should accept this fact and support only those that fight for MUSLIM rights ONLY. No other secularism platform should be tolerated. We have seen what secularism has done to our community. Only Allah swt's Deen is for us.
2. We need the means to defend ourselves. This includes all measures within and without any reference to ANY constitution of ANY country. This right is inalienable and I dont want Muslims to care about local laws. Procure arms anyway possible to defend yourselves.
3. Aggressively proselytize. Dawaah is not just for fashion. There are many people of other religions who are sympathetic to us. We should not be content that they are secular and humane. Their real test will be if they recite the Shahada. If they remain Hindu, they will be a part of the oppressor.
4. Eventually we should try to reach a significant portion of the population. Such that Hindu consolidation is unable to get political victories.
5. If that fails, we need to settle for West Bengal and the North east of India as a Muslim homeland for Indian Muslims. There can be separate Muslim nations created in Kerala, Hyderabad and elsewhere if locals there want.
The Indian Army needs to be defeated and the state authorities need to be tied down for this to happen. It may be necessary to highlight human rights abuses by Hindus as regularly as possible so that UN task forces sanction India. Eventually the economy decline will force a curtailment of the armed forces which may lead to a demoralisation.
Then we will be in a position to ask for independent republics or one amalgamated province of Muslims.
All views are welcome.
chanting Azadi Azadi is not enough.The Valley of Sorrows might be out of sight but NEVER out of mind and is NEVER quiet...PakKashmiris are still chantting Azadi, Azadi.... the day the Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan understood the meaning of Azadi... GameOver!