A female news presenter without a headscarf in Saudi Arabia

[Sinnerman108]

Why are we concerned with what is happening in x y z Country ?

Reminds me when Shaista Zaid's head gear was an inch too short, and she was corrected appropriately

That was Pakistan in 1980s.

Recently, i witnessed some Saudi Wedding; Same thing !

 

[al-Hasani]

Reminds me when Shaista Zaid's head gear was an inch too short, and she was corrected appropriately

That was Pakistan in 1980s.

Recently, i witnessed some Saudi Wedding; Same thing !

Millennium old habits don't die off quickly!

But I find the whole "veil discussion" hilarious as the criticism comes from non-Muslims who look at the veil as a sign of oppression and think that it is enforced without the girl/woman herself agreeing and both could not be further from the truth in 95% of all cases.

Interestingly then here in Denmark the only women who wear a burqa (a specifically Afghan garment) are mostly Danish converts that have married with either Danish converts or "foreign" Muslims. There are maybe 100 of them or so and the Muslim community is 300.000 big.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Millennium old habits don't die off quickly!

But I find the whole "veil discussion" hilarious as the criticism comes from non-Muslims who look at the veil as a sign of oppression and think that it is enforced without the girl/woman herself agreeing and both could not be further from the truth in 95% of all cases.

Interestingly then here in Denmark the only women who wear a burqa (a specifically Afghan garment) are mostly Danish converts that have married with either Danish converts or "foreign" Muslims.

True .. convert muslims are usually more "extreme" than us.

However one has to go to an appropriate mall ... and its like Veil ? what Veil ?

 

[al-Hasani]

True .. convert muslims are usually more "extreme" than us.

However one has to go to an appropriate mall ... and its like Veil ? what Veil ?

My viewpoint is that Muslim women can wear a niqab, hijab or even venture out without a veil as long as the later ensures common decency.

Moreover I find Muslims who are overly obsessed about a veil and whether it shows a bit of hair or not as annoying as those non-Muslims I talked about in my previous post.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

she is al kafer she must die !!!! hahahaha

If someone has to die, it has got to be you!

 

[al-Hasani]

Is someone has to die, it has got to be you!

Dumb posts deserve a dumb reply.

What a idiotic thing to write really. Not even remotely funny.

 

[Falcon29]

I respect Arabian culture, and posted this thread as an example of possible social change. After all, no culture remains static.

What 'social change' are you talking about? You neglect God and his Prophet and the way of life he ordained on us. Shame on you people. Shame on you.

You live in America, share it's ideals here. Don't try forcing your culture on people thousands of kilometers away from you.

 

[livingdead]

Why are we concerned with what is happening in x y z Country ?

saudi arab is among powerful countries in ME and not an 'x y z' country...
this is exactly why we discuss news related to indonesia/brazil etc right...

 

[VCheng]

What 'social change' are you talking about? You neglect God and his Prophet and the way of life he ordained on us. Shame on you people. Shame on you.

You live in America, share it's ideals here. Don't try forcing your culture on people thousands of kilometers away from you.

Please note that I have not said anything about neglecting God or forcing anything in terms of culture by anyone on anyone, so there is no need to go off about heaping shame or any other moral judgments.

All cultures change and evolve with time, including interacting with other cultures. Arabs have a long and proud traditional culture, but of course it is evolving in this century too. This thread was made in response to a similar discussion in a thread on tourist visas in Saudi Arabia by @al-Hasani , that is all.

Calm down, Brother, and take a deep breath. It will help you understand things a little bit better.

 

[al-Hasani]

What 'social change' are you talking about? You neglect God and his Prophet and the way of life he ordained on us. Shame on you people. Shame on you.

You live in America, share it's ideals here. Don't try forcing your culture on people thousands of kilometers away from you.

Bro, @VCheng has no bad intentions at all. What he says is correct. All societies evolve my friend.

Let me give you an example. Once (80-60 years ago) some people in Najd in KSA did not want women to attend schools for various reasons and once they saw the benefits those same people begged the authorities to allow their mothers, female relatives etc. to attend those same schools that they were so much against in the beginning.

Back then only few women (highest social class and a few others) were able to read in the entire ME and most of the world.

My friend both you an I have lived in the West for years and we also know about the Muslim community in the West. I know many Muslim females who are not wearing a headscarf but who identity as Muslims and follow most pillars of Islam to their best abilities. Arab (Palestinians included!) and non-Arab Muslims.

 

[That Guy]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the outrage only seems to be mostly coming from the ultraconservative circles.

There doesn't seem to be as much outrage as people think.

 

[al-Hasani]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the outrage only seems to be mostly coming from the ultraconservative circles.

There doesn't seem to be as much outrage as people think.

Well, I have not really followed this case but some of the criticism are made by ordinary people too. Not only ultraconservatives. I don't know but maybe it's due to my background that I do not think that such issues need to be made into a big deal.

Also what I do not like is hypocrisy. On Saudi Arabian television and other Arab televisions (people in the ME watch TV from the entire region let alone Western news channels - Al Arabiya itself too, LOL) non-veiled women are seen very often if not most of the time, Saudi Arabian women are very "obsessed" about fashion etc. like many other girls in the region and the men are very familiar with Western culture and everything. Yet they complain if they see a Saudi Arabian woman in London (!) reading some news without a veil.

That I do not like.

 

[VCheng]

Well, I have not really followed this case but some of the criticism are made by ordinary people too. Not only ultraconservatives. I don't know but maybe it's due to my background that I do not think that such issues need to be made into a big deal.

Also what I do not like is hypocrisy. On Saudi Arabian television and other Arab televisions (people in the ME watch TV from the entire region let alone Western news channels - Al Arabiya itself too, LOL) non-veiled women are seen very often if not most of the time, Saudi Arabian women are very "obsessed" about fashion etc. like many other girls in the region and the men are very familiar with Western culture and everything. Yet they complain if they see a Saudi Arabian woman in London (!) reading some news without a veil.

That I do not like.

Brother, while the ban on women driving for themselves is still in place overall, is it true that there are limited areas in campuses and elsewhere in Riyadh where women are allowed to drive cars?

 

[Cheetah786]

their Country ... their rules

Exactly shouldn't they also respect the other countries with same ?

 

[al-Hasani]

Exactly shouldn't they also respect the other countries with same ?

When has KSA commented on the veil in other countries? The answer is never.

Criticizing the treatment of Muslims in certain countries is not surprising as KSA is the birthplace of Islam and will obviously speak for Islam for that reason alone.

Brother, while the ban on women driving for themselves is still in place overall, is it true that there are limited areas in campuses and elsewhere in Riyadh where women are not allowed to drive cars?

Unfortuantely this idiotic law, which is not really a law to begin with is a disgrace for KSA in my opinion and must change immediately which King Abdullah also have said that he will do. Anyway many women are still driving and when stopped many of the policemen are just looking the other way. Some women are driving on the countryside etc. be it in mountain villages or more secluded areas on the countryside across KSA.