A 'European Army' That No European Will Join

[Tshering22]

Why so few Japanese are willing to fight for Japan?

The Bushido code is dead. Today's Japanese view their military with shame and hatred, after being degraded and insulted for decades by American-designed education system. There are many documentaries on surveys conducted about Japanese viewpoint of Japan's military. Almost all of them hate military and war

Of course, you will have to ensure that the troops stationed in each member state are it's own nationals, not foreign nationals,

Do you meant to say that France will have to abandon the Foreign Legion? Because none of those guys are actually French people. The criteria to be a part of FFL is to be a non-French simply willing to fight for France.

 

[313ghazi]

Do you meant to say that France will have to abandon the Foreign Legion? Because none of those guys are actually French people. The criteria to be a part of FFL is to be a non-French simply willing to fight for France.

I mean, if there was an EU army; the vast majority of troops stationed in France should be French, those in Germany should be German, those in Romania should be Romanian. You should only have say Polish troops in Belgium if there is an immediate military need, not regularly.

 

[Vergennes]

Do you meant to say that France will have to abandon the Foreign Legion? Because none of those guys are actually French people. The criteria to be a part of FFL is to be a non-French simply willing to fight for France.

The FFL is an integral French army unit. Actually,an increasing number of French people are joining the FFL,but are engaged with a "foreigner" status. 11% of the FFL is made of French people.

Also légionnaires can apply for French citizenship after 3 years of service (which is granted in vast majority of cases) or even sooner if they are wounded in operation. That is the principle of becoming "Français par le sang versé" ("French by spilled blood").

 

[Tshering22]

I mean, if there was an EU army; the vast majority of troops stationed in France should be French, those in Germany should be German, those in Romania should be Romanian. You should only have say Polish troops in Belgium if there is an immediate military need, not regularly.

The point of an EU Army is to be able to move fluidly between any country at any time. So technically, the 'sovereign' armies of each EU member state should act more like a regiment in itself and be able to move. Only then will there be greater trust building between the countries.

What you propose already exists between EU states.

 

[beijingwalker]

Chinese Communist troops rounted nationalist army with great ease because back then every Chinese province was like an independent country controlled by a local warlord only under the name of Republic of China, when they fight the first thing for them is to save their own butt and leave allies in the lurch. a loosely unified front can never be trusted as a strong fighting force.

 

[jhungary]

I mean, if there was an EU army; the vast majority of troops stationed in France should be French, those in Germany should be German, those in Romania should be Romanian. You should only have say Polish troops in Belgium if there is an immediate military need, not regularly.

If I remember correctly, in 2006 (or maybe earlier) the EU were thinking of getting a Supreme Headquarter setup in Brussel which basically act as SHAEF like structure controlling all Allies Force during WW2.

The plan was, you don't merge the Army, but you merge the command, so your local troop will still be station locally, but can be deployed at will by the Supreme Headquarter when it see fits.

That did not go far, because of French and German opposition as to where and who should be in charge of this Supreme Headquarter.

Problem here is, EU military strength are too uneven, you have Germany, France and Britain as the major contributor, and then you have some minor fish (like Netherland or Sweden) and then you have small fish who basically have nothing. You cannot deploy your troop like that because place that have the low limit of troop are closer to Russia, and all troop concentration are in the west.

 

[gambit]

Today's Japanese view their military with shame and hatred, after being degraded and insulted for decades by American-designed education system.

Not true. Japanese resentment against the military existed before Pearl Harbor simply because the country's resources were unbalanced towards the military. Then once the war was underway, the military essentially picked the country clean.

 

[xenon54 out]

Well Turks would but EP is probably soon gonna stop the negotiations with Turkey.
Its once again Finland saving the day.

 

[Georg]

looking only at numbers off ammount willing to is fight is pointless...

you should also read the analyse of this Gallup research...

the most willing to fight nation on earth are with 94% the Fidshi islands who have a fighting force of whopping 3500 men... they have never fought in a real war and all they did once in a while they plot against the regular government (4times in the past 20 years or so)....

former colonial nations like Pakistan India etc have a high level of will to fight because of the history..
Almost all 3. world nation have a high level of will to fight.
some other nations with high will to fight have it because of on going conflicts, dangerous nighbor states etc.

The higher the level of education and life standarts the lower the will to fight... but that is not the reason that people get pussys... you have to work hard your *** of to get there... the reason is simpler...for them it is normal that their governments use democratic ways to handle conflicts and not hate speech and brute force ...

One important statment this pool also did... a single big event can change this overnight... a nation unwilling to fight could become overnight reckless...

ask yourself seriously... hard working guys in a rich nation with a low level of willing to fight, would do nothing if their home gets attacked? They would smash the head of the attacker to the ground till it broke ....

 

[nahtanbob]

I think they're doing it for fear of the Turkish folks (it's embedded into their psyche)!!! And, who won't?????

We are born at our homes, and we die at the battlefields - a Turkish saying

the brits and french have nukes. who is scared of the turks ?

 

[Menthol]

No really!

Just look at French yellow vest protesters.

They are good candidates.

 

[Han Patriot]

You can do a survey ask Taiwanese if they willing to fight the Mainland for independence. LOL. It's maybe 0.01%, there is a joke in Taiwan, when the PRC come invading, the only way to save your life is to tie your commander up, offer him to the PLA and surrender.

 

[TMA]

well? here's a solution genius europeans...
STOP PICKING FIGHTS WITH PEOPLE!!!
you are a union of over 500 million educated people and an economy to match, good enough you dimwits leave well enough alone! Just take an approach with the big 3 (China, Russia and America) that "we don't mess with you and you don't mess with us). It is LITERALLY as simple as that!

You see there is an issue...whilst the common Western European agrees with the sentiment: you leave us alone and we leave you alone, those who have power in the West, namely, Gog-Magog Judeo-Christian Zionists, are hell bent on world domination...they wish to "civilise" Land, Air and Sea...and they are using the West to achieve it...

Get rid of this and most of the issues would be solved...or at least a lot better...