A discussion of the current political situation of Pakistan ....Which party do you support and why?

[Areesh]

Yaar I am not much of a supporter of any party right now. Voted PTI in the last elections. I am disappointed with them right now. Would make my mind till the next elections that whom I should support.

 

[Horseman]

@Akheilos I think military is the only option if they decide to put on right path to Pakistan ... Blockade should be imposed to all political parties immediately as well as demonstration and make a technocratic government until they didn't conduct a free and fair election ... After elections newly elected law makers who don't related with any political party ... They will make new constitution and will define the way to be elected the president who will be the head of state ... After presidential election he will make his technocratic government ... And obviously legislators shall not in the cabinet to be prevented conflict of interest .............

I would second to you. pakistan could not survive without any revolution. and only army is only institution where over we cannot finger out. They are most patriotic people. I wish army could act not for ruling but for reviving the system.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Pakistan peoples party minus zardari
I am a democrat thorough & thorough , with left of the center view & strongly believe in civilian supremacy

 

[Dubious]

Hi first I had to check if it is really you who opened this Thread I thought it was member slav defence, good Thread I shall reply later but I need to mentioned and you need to add it...PML-N also like mqm ruled Punjab [like baap ki jagir] for more than 7 Years.

1stly, I am not sure if I am supposed to be happy or upset about this statement...Like I cant open worthy threads Man need to change this image of me
I havent even started on Provincial politics honestly speaking that is equally worse...I am talking on National level and yes I agree with you jis nay bhi seat hasil ki usnay rule kiya kissi nay lead nai kiya!

@Akheilos I dont support any single party but i voted for PTI and i am against the Jayala (blind Supporter) system in our politics .... and i think democracy is for educated nations not for the those who always vote a wrong person and than abuse him for next 4 years... I will quote President Franklin Roosevelt here "Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education".

True indeed...yet many want to call whatever they do as sane and then we have those who try to choose the middle way and call it democracy...

This is why I agreed with IK's campaign to wake up the people regarding rigging over and over (Just my personal opinion)...I actually thought his jalsa was about awareness of voting rights and people's power .....

The opposition if effective will push them to think and make that happen for us.
Blindly following and blindly opposing someone can not be right choice as the system is weak and those politicians can shift their blame of negligence on that fact.
So, why leave them with that excuse each and everytime?
Let's first idealize a strong Pakistan (working & independent system) for a change.Evaluate our candidates we have voted for based on their performance.Parties and their love can come later on,as the system matures.
At least it can be the line of action for the educated masses.

Cheers!

Yahin tou problem hai sahaab! who will bring this change? I already had a thread regarding what needs fixing first I will probably have another think thought thread on steps on how to get the ball rolling

none .. i support Danda for this nation .. lathon ke bhoot baaton se kabhi nai mantay

somehow reminded me of @Hyperion

 

[Dubious]

MQM, because they are the only party to emerge from the lower middle classes. All the rest are waderas, burger walas and Industrialists.

So your choice is based on party background? What about other issues from ground realities to happenings to doings of a party?

I agree it is important that the person serving the nation (yes that is how I see politicians as servants of the nation any thinking otherwise are just collectively known as blood sucking leeches) has a down to earth background on people-people level (meaning living and behaving like everyday citizens than siting in castles) ....

But do other things not matter? Just a question to further discussion...you can very well ignore it

Thank you for your time and comment

PPP because kal bhi bhutto zinda tha aj bhi bhutto zinda hy. just joking

On a Serious note. I support PTI,

PPP has gifted the worst ever democratic set-up.
PML-N has failed to produce in the past so what good can they do now?
ANP has also disappointed its supporters.
MQM Everyone knows about them.

so there is only one party which is left its PTI. + Imran khan is great person.

Thank you for your response...

Just a personal observance ...Most of you support PTI because of IK....not exactly because of the party's doing...Is IK 100% driving the show ...How easily is he influenced? A man good at heart he is ...but is that what Pakistan needs? Or do we need 1 with an Iron will?

Because even today Peshawar is unsatisfied (news reports somewhere on this very forum stated so)...Sometimes I wonder if this qaum will ever be satisfied...

 

[Dubious]

Honestly I don't agree with this lota stuff. In all over the world, people come and go in every political party, its not a big deal. But here, people label them as lotas even if they are moving to a party with good solid reasons. What exactly is the definition of a lota?

Shah Mehmood Quraishi, Javed Hashmi etc who are seasoned politicians, worked almost their entire lives in one party and then after having grown strong differences with their respective parties decided to join PTI. Most likely they are going to stay in PTI for long time. Are they also lotas? I don't think so.

Thank you for your response

Personally for me a lota is one who joins a party which will benefit him or he sees is gonna win and he joins for his benefits...Anything to do with self centered gains

And besides, considering our national political scenario, these so called lotas are actually key to become successful in elections, sadly.

Yes I agree...Sadly it is these lotas who seem to be running the political show in 1 way or another

See 200+ lotas in PML-N who were with Mushi, then with PPP and are now part of N-League govt. They have given a lot of number advantage to N-League to form a majority govt. In Pakistan, lots of people still vote for favorite personalities of their constituency, so these lotas are the only option for political parties to win such seats. Now unless, our people start thinking otherwise or our system changes, these lotas will have their importance.

You took the words out of my mouth! This is what I am trying to highlight awareness of lota politics!

Finally, I am not sure about this lota stuff. Quad e Azam also formed All India Muslim league by uniting people from Congress, Religious parties, lawyers and servicemen. Are those who joined Muslim League from Congress (including Quaid e Azam) were lotas? Every new party has to chose people from existing lot, from where do you think they are going to fill the gaps? This is the process of evolution of political parties all over the world, but in Pakistan those parties who have lotas as their backbones brag the most about lotas in any new party, maybe because its a sign of danger to them.

I was hoping for a totally new set of people! Maybe educated with politically related degrees but I know people give votes to lotas then to parties

I still believe, IK did wrong by applying strict filters on all incoming members into PTI. He should have accepted everyone and have swept the country, should have made other parties starve for candidates. If you leader is clean and you have strong CEC to implement party policy, then these lotas won't be able to do sh!t later on. See how people are being fired and kicked in PTI for minor corruption charges.

Yes if leadership is strong it should not be a problem...But the problem arises from the fact that these lotas have been in politics far too long they have enough filth on their hands and are not afraid to get more dirty.....I am happy about the firing and kicking out...In my honest opinion it is these few that bring the bad name to the whole party and it is few rotten apples that contaminate the whole crate

 

[Dubious]

well @Akheilos there are only two major secular and leftist parties in Pakistan, MQM and the PPP (ANP as well but ANP has converted from a leftest socialist party itno a pashtun nationalist and have discarded everything bacha khan stood for), PMLN is a centre right party and PTI is a rightest party so he is some what correct

but being leftest PPP has gone totally against its agenda, it was bhutto which declared ahmedis as kafirs, it was PPP which helped in creation of talibans, PPP was formed by feudal lords and PPP failed to do land reforms, the slogan of roti, kapra makaan never become true and so on and so forth, their party is leftist and socialist but they have done nothing to be called a leftist and a socialist party

truth is PPP had many leftest when it was newly formed, it had many great people, slowly the party just like PTI was hijacked by feudal and electables who had nothing to do with any ideology, PPP has some leftests but they have little to no role in the party, most of the powerful people in PPP are feudal and you know typical lotas

meraj khan is one bright example, he was a mohajir and ideologically related leftest who was calimed to be the successor of zulfeqar ali bhutto, after few years he left PPP

If Bhutto did all that why is Zia blamed?

Baji tum bohat pakati ho , seriously

I know bayta..Har koi yahin kehta hai

You try and live on basic salary in Pakistan, young people with no jobs= rising crimes. This happens all over the world.

That is not an excuse...almost everyone is living on a basic salary...do you mean to say every one is involved in gunda gardi? No the few involved do crimes leading to others to end up doing crimes...None is justified!

PTI.

@waz I was expecting a bit of a discussion as to why too

 

[Dubious]

Firstly thank you for your detailed reply

I voted for PTI.

PTI is the best thing that has happened to Pakistani politics over decades. It is a new party, led by the leader who is UNDISPUTEDLY honest man. Pakistan needs a fresh party---one that gives us hope. We have seen PPP/PML(N)/MQM again and again and again..and they have failed us..again and again and again. Why vote them again?

Similar to my reply give the new one a chance

Moreover, Imran Khan of PTI is THE only leader of Pakistan that can not be "boxed" as a Punjabi or Pushtoon. He is both, he is none. His appeal transcends ethnic divide in Pakistan.

For the purpose of arguement, I have heard many complain that he stays in his farmhouse in ISB rather than in KPK ...

Also, PTI is the only Pakistani political force that is not a jageer. PML(N) has Shabaz, his sons, and Nawaz's daughter in line for "next leadership" of party..hence PML(N) is a jageer. PPP...oh boy, do I even need to say something?

But ask yourselves, who does PTI have as its next leader?

Asad Umar, Javed Hashmi, or even Shah Mehmood Qureishi (highly unlikely)...but none of them are related to Imran Khan. No matter from which angle, PTI easily comes out on top for being the best option for Pakistan right now.

That is a good reason too

1- Honest leadership with no charges of corruption even by opponents.
2- No family-based jageerdari leadership.
3- New and fresh political force that has already performed better than "experienced" PML(N)/PPP have in decades. (PTI's legal reforms in KPK and their heavy-hammer on Patwari system is something unheard of Pakistan's history).

The patwaris system hammering was good...took the country by a pleasant surprise

So tell me, why would not somebody vote for PTI in current situation of Pakistan?

Many think that it lacks experience and shouldnt be given the opportunity (this reply is a conclusion from what I have read) either that or coz "we" have been following and supporting so and so party all our lives from grandpa till now...

@Akheilos Here you have my answer. Can I request something?

Haan haan kiyun nai aap ka haq hai awaz uthana

Make sure ONLY Pakistanis vote in the above poll please.

No indians or other outsiders.

Hun, I aint a mod hence there is only soo much I can do...but I think I did good by mentioning all of them in OP

This is like the 3rd thread on the topic I opened the previous 2 were merged and closed because of errors where within 10 mins of opening it already 2 Indians threw in votes...Here too 3 Indians (when I last checked) threw in their votes

Now congratulate me on my effort

Imran khan= Taliban khan
Nawaz and friends = Saudi puppets + No education
PPP = Family dynasty + thieves


None of the above I vote for Batman

Well....You called IK taliban Khan when NS was equally in for talking with the Taliban...so NS should also be called something taliban

Yaar Pakistan ka Chimgadar aadmi kon hai?

@Akheilos I think military is the only option if they decide to put on right path to Pakistan ... Blockade should be imposed to all political parties immediately as well as demonstration and make a technocratic government until they didn't conduct a free and fair election ... After elections newly elected law makers who don't related with any political party ... They will make new constitution and will define the way to be elected the president who will be the head of state ... After presidential election he will make his technocratic government ... And obviously legislators shall not in the cabinet to be prevented conflict of interest .............

Looks lovely in theory but where do we find this:

newly elected law makers who don't related with any political party Or even find some technocrat to start with or one who is neutral?
And sadly in a country like Pakistan Technocratic might mean: A technocrat has come to mean either 'a member of a powerful technical elite', or 'someone who advocates the supremacy of technical experts'...the word technical seems to be rare!

Again sadly most of the law makers (judges + lawyers) or responsible for implementing it (police + lawyers) are on speed dial of many

PTI, a true democratic party with a clear vision for our beloved country Pakistan, they are against corruption, they supports quick and easy access to justice and they got more competent people than any political party in Pakistan. The only party who can truly bring change..

Thank you for your feedback

But it is a reality that MQM and also PMLN supporters think the same of their parties

 

[Dubious]

Yaar I am not much of a supporter of any party right now. Voted PTI in the last elections. I am disappointed with them right now. Would make my mind till the next elections that whom I should support.

Thank you for your reply...What disappointed you about PTI? This is a discussion platform ....

Pakistan peoples party minus zardari
I am a democrat thorough & thorough , with left of the center view & strongly believe in civilian supremacy

Thank you for your feedback...How do you kick out Zardari the leech?

civilian supremacy a strong word which I am not sure if PPP ever heard of...

I would second to you. pakistan could not survive without any revolution. and only army is only institution where over we cannot finger out. They are most patriotic people. I wish army could act not for ruling but for reviving the system.

Can army just revive the system without ruling it? Honest question...

 

[ssethii]

you forgot to add PAT.

 

[Dubious]

you forgot to add PAT.

I am not very much aware of what that party has brought on the table

 

[Men in Green]

Imran khan= Taliban khan
Nawaz and friends = Saudi puppets + No education
PPP = Family dynasty + thieves


None of the above I vote for Batman

you forgot 1 MQM Bhata khor.

 

[qamar1990]

Trolls kindly stay out!
Indians we dont need your opinion!

Only Pakistanis please comment

A reminder to all no bashing other political parties only comment why you side your chosen party?!


During the olden days, leaders were strong brave men! - This applies to Many (of course not all) Kings and Sultans...

They wouldnt send their soldiers alone to the front line but go with them first to be there for moral support than to be there to be shoulder to shoulder in the war and fight side by side with them!

Today the battle is both a physical one (security threat in the North) as well as a social one (toppling of the whole country from sectarian crises to lack of education to fight against polio....) as well as poverty at large...


This is a defence forum so I put it up as a war scenario...Yes of course many a times the ruler didnt go to war himself but many of the greatest leaders (Alexader the great, Attila the Hun, Cyrus, Julius Caesar, Salahddin) were the leaders who would go to the war themselves...

Why is there no one "to lead" Please dont give the crap that its modern world no one does that blaa blaa...I am not talking about the physical fighting of going to LoC or something...

But I believe not until a man has at least lived and breathed like a citizen he can not run a country! Why? Coz the country is made up of citizens and if you live like an alien/ king/ elite...

How can you know what troubles the people face or what they require or what is essential?! I know many will counter this is not true and so on that one can know what the other feels even without living like him! I find this absurd!

If say xyz is the "supposed" leader...why isnt he leading? How can one lead when he is sitting in a different position than the rest and is not even on the same level? I am talking about any leader in Pakistan today....all want to rule it none wants to lead it

I am singling out elites here:

From electrical requirements to CNG in their cars...Fire engine did not have fuel but the ministers reached Karachi airport in time to poke their nose where it was not needed..good thing they came but did they do anything? zilch!

From getting stuck in traffic to living in mahal like houses...Each leader lives in luxury and is oblivious to the life of a simple man! Each leader gets protocol but is oblivious of the life of a normal man stuck in traffic or in an over crowded public transport!

From removing tax on things that the rich can already afford (say imported cars---whose gonna import obviously the rich...if they can pay 7figures for an imported car cant they pay another 4 figures for the tax?)

From political stunts of beating up the very people who are paying the tax (rich people evade it, land lords are exempted from it, elites get tax relaxation like we are a super rich country)

From Juridical to police to courts everything is reliant on who pays more...recent no rapist convicted...Gullu Butt went into air after being caught by the police...VIP jails (WTH is that even! How can convicts live lavishly on tax payer's money) and what about thatsunsilk hair guy who was with guns in both hands and hugging and being congratulated by the police? Swiss bank cases against Zardari? Ex CJ case? Case against Yousuf Raza Gillani?? What about rechecking some insane laws-- Why on earth arent the courts independent?

From failing to get rid of certain diseases such as polio to failing to get rid of bigger diseased habits like feudal system is really really really shocking!

The worst part is every sector is part of some political party ...its like no one is free of politics no one is independent....

I am talking about the current situation of Pakistan!

I just had a look at this: List of Presidents of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All I see is PLMN and PPP taking turns like its a seasaw only every now and then you see a general getting fed up and washing everyone up! For those who are unaware:

We started with a Republican party for 2 yrs
Army rule for 11 yrs (4 yrs as martial law and 7 yrs under PMLC
From 1971-1978 PPP that is a good 7 yrs
From 1978- 1988 Martial law for 10 yr (amazing how everything is blamed on this 10 yr) from 1988 to 2014 not 1 man had balls enough to fix or undo the disaster because they were ball -less and efficiently blamed this 1 yr for their disgusting incapability of being a leader!
From 1988-1993 a good 5 yrs was trying to get rid of NS...this was prob 1 of the best years with no halla ghulla

And then starts the waltz of the 2 lovers PPP and PMLN

1993 for less than 1 yr PMLN
1993-1997 PPP a good 4 years
1997-1999 PMLN 2 yrs
2001- 2008 Martial law for 6 yrs + 1 yr under PMLQ
2008-2013 PPP for 5yrs
2013- present day PMLN
1984- present MQM for 20yrs (only party hanging onto Karachi like its a property rather than a part of a country)
2003-present 11 yrs of non-tribal, essentially middle-class Balochistan National Democratic Party (BNDP) led by Mir Hasil Khan Bizenjo, son of the Baloch nationalist Ghaus Bakhsh Bizenjo, merged with the non-tribal middle-class nationalist party Balochistan National Movement (BNM) led by Dr. Abdul Hayee Baloch. It is considered to be the successor of the Kalat National Party.
2008- 2013 ANP leaching the Pukhtoon for 5yrs!

A total of
2 yrs Republican
28 yrs of Martial rule
16 yrs of PPP
4 yrs of PMLN
1 yr of PTI (not even for whole of Pakistan)

I would say shame on each and everyone who failed Pakistan! Sick people!
I am wondering how drugged out Nation is and since when did we become soo patient that we can tolerate each and every zulm and still not voice out? Its seriously shocking!

My question to the audiance: Why the hell must you have a party? And if you have one why the hell are you having a blind relationship with that party? Why cant you say a wrong is a wrong or compliment a right move the other? What stops you?! Do you care about your party or Pakistan?

P/S: For me any party that did nothing to benefit Pakistan is considered a leach!
If you think your party is working for Pakistan choose it and state reasons and examples for your choice!

@Manticore @Aeronaut @Jungibaaz @T-Faz @blain2 @Oscar @WebMaster @test @Fulcrum15

@Developereo @Slav Defence @Secur @Abu Zolfiqar @Rashid Mahmood @F.O.X @S.U.R.B. @RescueRanger @Mugwop @TheOccupiedKashmir @Icarus @Luftwaffe@Hyperion@Bratva @Rafael @balixd @A.Rafay @Crypto @fatman17

@Pakistanisage

@Leader @cb4 @farhan_9909 @BATMAN @batmannow @Aether @Abu Nasar @farhanalee7 @Areesh @Armstrong @AUz@chauvunist @Al Bhatti @Cheetah786 @Men in Green @DESERT FIGHTER @Desert Fox @Darth Vader @Devil Soul@dexter@Durrak @Mirzay @ghazaliy2k @HRK @Imran Khan @Irfan Baloch @JonAsad @khanboy007 @KingMamba @LoveIcon @Pboy @liontk @Jazzbot @Marshmallow @p(-)0ENiX @Pak47 @Pakistan life @Patriots @Proudpakistaniguy@PiyaraPakistan @janbaaz @pk_baloch @Pukhtoon @PWFI @qamar1990 @Raja.Pakistani@Rajput_Pakistani @rockstar08 @waz @Umair Nawaz @slapshot @ZYXW @Zarvan @air marshal @Shabaz Sharif @airmarshal@hasnain0099 @shujah @Ra'ad @Zarrar Alvi @pak-marine @wasm95
@cheekybird @Spring Onion @ssethii @Stealth @Ghareeb_Da_Baal @Aslan
And others whom I may have failed to mention!

@JonAsad @Devil Soul @Zarrar Alvi @shujah plz proceed!

I voted for PTI coz it is the youngest and as we had hope with other parties this one is new and should be given the same amount of hope that we gave to parties that never learned/ changed....

@shujah reasoning bhi dayni hai!

@Counter-Errorist sorry had to get rid of that thread plz post your comment here

@JonAsad now what?

PTI hands down, i might NOT agree with everything they have to say but they are the best choice pakistan has.
plus i like cricket so……yeaah

 

[Dubious]

PTI hands down, i might NOT agree with everything they have to say but they are the best choice pakistan has.
plus i like cricket so……yeaah

thanks for your feedback

 

[qamar1990]

thanks for your feedback

your welcome miss.