80 Rafale-type jets needed: IAF

[SQ8]

There is space for the homegrown fighters and the Rafale.

No doubt that the world's finest 4.5 gen fighter appeals to the IAF top brass more than the LCA (which appeals to them for other reasons ) and given it is their job to be in the best shape possible to secure India's skies there is nothing wrong in wanting the best.


There is a middle road between sacrificing capabilities and buying Indian, balancing both is what the MoD is looking to do (and always has been) similar to the IN's approach.

The finest bit is debatable since that depends on what suits what force best, but what is important is overkill in capabilities when there is no need for it. The IAF is looking for the latter whilst the government is actually being very sensible about it.

 

[Imran Khan]

they have no plan for 80 take 36 and go away

 

[I M Sikander]

maybe but how does that helps your PAF as rafales or LCAs should be the last of your worries tell me how will you stop the other three "big boys of IAF" (MKI, M2K & Mig29s)

MKI availability factor is least among all your front line fighters.

M2K, till now you have received only two jets after upgradation from dassault. Rest are 1980 old machine, which are yet to be upgraded.

As for your Mig 29 , the upgraded mirage rose III and V are sufficient.

and there two "sidekicks" (Jags & bisons)

My goodness, you still consider these flying coffins as an asset for iaf.

rafle + FGFA+MK2 are future worry aobut the presnt

Even MK1 is yet to get an FOC and you are trying to frighten us from lca MK2.
And first get rafake and fgfa and then do farting in forums.

 

[I M Sikander]

they have no plan for 80 take 36 and go away

Even 36 are not yet final.

 

[NKVD]

MKI availability factor is least among all your front line fighters.

M2K, till now you have received only two jets after upgradation from dassault. Rest are 1980 old machine, which are yet to be upgraded.

As for your Mig 29 , the upgraded mirage rose III and V are sufficient.


My goodness, you still consider these flying coffins as an asset for iaf.


Even MK1 is yet to get an FOC and you are trying to frighten us from lca MK2.
And first get rafake and fgfa and then do farting in forums.

You fool you are comparing Mig-29upg with mirage-3Rose are you lost it

Do you know how many BVRS Can be carried by single mig 29 which twin engine fighter superior to
your any single engine fighters

Your knowledge about fighter's tells it all

You are not even worth replying

 

[GURU DUTT]

MKI availability factor is least among all your front line fighters.

M2K, till now you have received only two jets after upgradation from dassault. Rest are 1980 old machine, which are yet to be upgraded.

As for your Mig 29 , the upgraded mirage rose III and V are sufficient.


My goodness, you still consider these flying coffins as an asset for iaf.


Even MK1 is yet to get an FOC and you are trying to frighten us from lca MK2.
And first get rafake and fgfa and then do farting in forums.

what if i told you that MKI now has 70% avilability & each MKI carries twice the number of BVRs than a F16 in a single sortie ?

and what if i told you onli 3 squads of MKI are 24X365 are kept ready for pakistani theater

now as for upgradation of M2k well sir they are already on + we are not going to war anytime soon so we have ample time

as for your ancient mirrage III & Vs equal to upgraded Mig29s (why did your devine fighter pilots in their suppa duppa F16s ran with their tails between their legs when they saw them during kargil war instead of engaging them)

well do i smell something burning here

now as for Jags well they are deep strike fighter bombers you can laugh and take them as a joke at your own expense we are delighted to know "if"all pakistanies think that way

as for bisons well they are upgraded too and are BVR cpable but are for point defnce /defensive role (to have a chance at them you first have to defete MKIs,M2Ks,Mig29s)

so onli fools take current IAF for granted and both PAF & PLAAF never does that otherwise they would have attacked us by now

 

[Koovie]

Well, too bad IAF. The MMRCA was scrapped and your spoilt needs put into place by Parrkiar. The homegrown jets are being treated as orphans by your attitude when they are easily sufficient for the needs.

Tejas is nowhere close to the Rafale.. The IAF is looking for a true multirole fighter which will replace the Jags and Mig 27s in the future

 

[MiG-21]

As for your Mig 29 , the upgraded mirage rose III and V are sufficient.

Do you even know what ROSE means? Its an upgrade for ground strike only. In Air-Air combat our Harriers with BVR equipped with Derby will be enough to swat 90% of your junk airforce from the sky. Except your F-16s and JF-17s, none of your fighters are BVR equipped. Your JF-17s are equipped with a chinese who-knows-what-crap-they-put-in SD-10 BVRs, with a dubious reputation. Bacially only your F-16s are the real fighters, rest are all confirmed junk, or could be a junk in the case of JF-17.

While IAF/IN has,
MiG-21 Bisons
Mirage-20000H/UPG
MiG-29B/UPG
Su-30MKI
Harriers
MiG-29Ks

Compare PAF with Bangladesh Airforce, not IAF.

 

[Vincent valentine]

Do you even know what ROSE means? Its an upgrade for ground strike only. In Air-Air combat our Harriers with BVR equipped with Derby will be enough to swat 90% of your junk airforce from the sky. Except your F-16s and JF-17s, none of your fighters are BVR equipped. Your JF-17s are equipped with a chinese who-knows-what-crap-they-put-in SD-10 BVRs, with a dubious reputation. Bacially only your F-16s are the real fighters, rest are all confirmed junk, or could be a junk in the case of JF-17.

While IAF/IN has,
MiG-21 Bisons
Mirage-20000H/UPG
MiG-29B/UPG
Su-30MKI
Harriers
MiG-29Ks

Compare PAF with Bangladesh Airforce, not IAF.

No with Somalia air force. If they have one

 

[SQ8]

Tejas is nowhere close to the Rafale.. The IAF is looking for a true multirole fighter which will replace the Jags and Mig 27s in the future

The role that needs replacing does not require a Rafale. There is already plenty of capability available to the IAF within its squadrons.What is needed is a reality check. The Tejas can provide all the CAS and medium interdiction that is required. The Rafale is best suited to the roles of OCA and otherwise. Where there should be all hands in for the AMCA there is a need to just buy stuff

 

[Spectre]

The role that needs replacing does not require a Rafale. There is already plenty of capability available to the IAF within its squadrons.What is needed is a reality check. The Tejas can provide all the CAS and medium interdiction that is required. The Rafale is best suited to the roles of OCA and otherwise. Where there should be all hands in for the AMCA there is a need to just buy stuff

Excellent point. That is what our Defense Minister have been saying

 

[Storm Force]

Media hype and sensationalism regarding indian falling nos of fighters.

If any of you so called experts in these forums Indians and Pakistanis alike had noticed there are FALLING NOS AND SQUADRONS RIGHT ACCROSS THE WORLD.

Most of you fan boys have missed the obvious.

Nations globally have fewer fighters but these are far more lethal and multi rolers.

PLAAF had 4000 fighters mostly mig19/mig21 Rip offs in 1990 .... Today they have 1500 fighters half are flankers/J10

RAF Luftwaffe & France have fewer than 300 combat planes. each.

Isarali air force has shrunk from 600 fighters in 1982 to 400 FIGHTERS today.. But good god they have 300 F16 and nearly 100 F15.

So yes IAF has falling nos BUT guess what its the JUNK that is falling ie MIG21/23 and these account for 10% of the firepower.

As a Pakistani which would you rather face

400 MIG21 & MIG23

OR

200 SU30 MKI.

Finally imo india needs only 520 fighters in the future to meet its defense needs ie

270 SU30MKI/ SUPER MKI
120 Tejas mk1/2
100 upgraded mig29/mirage2000
60 rafale

This is well well achievable by 2025

PS stop dreaming of taking on PLAAF we will lose badly

 

[I M Sikander]

You fool you are comparing Mig-29upg with mirage-3Rose are you lost it

Do you know how many BVRS Can be carried by single mig 29 which twin engine fighter superior to
your any single engine fighters

Your knowledge about fighter's tells it all

You are not even worth replying

Those upgrded mirages can carry the air launched cruise missile and precision guided missiles with night attack capabilities. Go and do some homs work also. Only bvr capability is not the end of thus world. There is lot more of jet capabilities then bvr capability only.

 

[I M Sikander]

Do you even know what ROSE means? Its an upgrade for ground strike only. In Air-Air combat our Harriers with BVR equipped with Derby will be enough to swat 90% of your junk airforce from the sky. Except your F-16s and JF-17s, none of your fighters are BVR equipped. Your JF-17s are equipped with a chinese who-knows-what-crap-they-put-in SD-10 BVRs, with a dubious reputation. Bacially only your F-16s are the real fighters, rest are all confirmed junk, or could be a junk in the case of JF-17.

While IAF/IN has,
MiG-21 Bisons
Mirage-20000H/UPG
MiG-29B/UPG
Su-30MKI
Harriers
MiG-29Ks

Compare PAF with Bangladesh Airforce, not IAF.

Mig bison . my goodness.

Sukhoi, whose serviceability is even less than 50%.

I repeat mirage 2000 are 1980 machines, only two mirages have been ugraded till now, 5 more years required to modify them, even after modification, they will be not become raptors. Go and check the upgradtion details.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Mig bison . my goodness.

Sukhoi, whose serviceability is even less than 50%.

I repeat mirage 2000 are 1980 machines, only two mirages have been ugraded till now, 5 more years required to modify them, even after modification, they will be not become raptors. Go and check the upgradtion details.

1.MKI serviceability is now +70% not 50%

2.still M2K & Mig29(UPG) is on par with latest F16BLK52s if not better and they dont have any handicaps of "too many strings attached and highlli bugged systems where PAF has to get new source codes from USA before every sortie and that too by US experts onli"

3.MKIs , M2Ks or Mig29s even after upgrades wont be Raptors ... but do you have Raptors or anything like it ?????

now all this media hokus phokus about falling squadern strenths are just hype created by foriegn aircraft manufacturres like Dassult, EDAS & SaaB so to sell there fighters to india

as for IAF its behaving like a spoilt child but they have already been given "an offer they cant refuse"

but funny thing is pakistanies should be happy and should not talk about defeciancies of IAF (as they are a nation with whome IAF/India faught 4 wars) then why are they soooo concerrened about "falling squadern strenth of IAF"?