8 Chinese submarines approval & used western subs talks

[kaonalpha]

What about the swedish submarine there stealth is renound the during a war game it sank an air craft carrier anf two destroyers
Can we give it a go?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If a sale is to be made according to international conventions, there will be only one estimation and that is 299.9999 km. Anyhow Pakistan can put in its own version of the missile for any suitable range.

China has sold the DF-21 to KSA, so this international regulation does not apply to China.

 

[Mir Shahzain]

I am gonna guess Saudis are paying

Yes agreed....as Yemen war started, we are initiating these steps....

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What about the swedish submarine there stealth is renound the during a war game it sank an air craft carrier anf two destroyers
Can we give it a go?

The AIP sub can stay under the water for quite of time, but it is too slow to trail the carrier battlegroup.

 

[The SC]

China has sold the DF-21 to KSA, so this international regulation does not apply to China.

That was an intricate deal indeed! Wasn't that before these international regulations took place?

 

[Penguin]

These companies manufacture subs:

Navantia
Fincantieri
DCNS
Kockums
BAE Systems
Mazagon Docks
Hyundai Heavy Industries
Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME)
PO Sevmash
Huntington Ingalls Industries (HII)
General Dynamics Electric Boat Corp.
Admiralty Shipyards
ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems AG
ASC Pty Ltd
Golcuk Naval Shipyard
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI)
Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation
Saab
Thales
Lockheed Martin Corp

 

[Manticore]

These companies manufacture subs:

Navantia
Fincantieri
DCNS
Kockums
BAE Systems
Mazagon Docks
Hyundai Heavy Industries
Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME)
PO Sevmash
Huntington Ingalls Industries (HII)
General Dynamics Electric Boat Corp.
Admiralty Shipyards
ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems AG
ASC Pty Ltd
Golcuk Naval Shipyard
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI)
Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation
Saab
Thales
Lockheed Martin Corp

Chinese Submarines - are they noisy? | Page 2
any input would be appreciated
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[Asian.Century]

Well, China can offer the deal of the nuclear sub in the same package.

The Type 093G with 24 advanced VLS cells and a newly designed nuclear reactor, also with the pump-jet propulsion.

This is China's peer SSN against the Virginia class, better than the Soviet Oscar class and the American LA class.

No matter how 'advanced' the European SSKs are, nothing can match the deal of the advanced SSN.

Are these VLS system of Type 93, for Cruise Missile or Ballistic Missiles?

That will be one awesome news, if Pakistan gets 2 of Nuclear subs with Ballistic missiles of type 92 / 93 or 94.

Pakistan has the money, this isn't Zardari era. Government revenues have increased by billions of dollars since PM Nawaz Sharif has taken place. If there wasn't money in place these talks wouldn't be happening.

The increase in revenues finally, definite credit goes to PML-N Govt.

China can not sell the nuclear subs. It can lease them or better yet assist Pakistan in making its own.

Why can't PN buy nuclear subs?

And could only lease them from China.

 

[The SC]

Why can't PN buy nuclear subs?

And could only lease them from China.

It has something to do with the IAEA, I guess, since it involves a nuclear reactor... Ha!ha!ha
The loophole is to lease them!!!

 

[kaonalpha]

NAVANTIA is the best if we want a foreign manufacturing hand involved in oir submarines project

 

[The SC]

The best used European submarines to be purchased by Pakistan Navy will be the Swedish Stirling engine AIP Gotland and the German/Italian Fuell cell AIP U-212A (2 offered for export by Fincantieri).

Gotland class patrol submarine

Looks a bit like the U209 but this one has AIP

Type 212

The Italian type 212A

 

[The SC]

Old news!!!
6/29/2011

The Qing Class Submarines will be among the largest conventional submarines in the world.
Displacement: 5,200 tons (submerged), 3,200 (surfaced), Length: 92 meters. (Author's estimates)

China’s latest submarine the Type 043 Qing Class, yet to be inducted into the Chinese navy and the pride of China’s technological and engineering elite, is being manufactured for Pakistan.

Six odd submarines, which are among the largest conventional vessels manufactured by humanity thus far and closer to the displacement of nuclear submarines, capable of firing nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and possibly a single ballistic missile are also part of a rapid program to transform the Pakistan Navy. The submarines are technological on par with anything the West can or has built with regard to conventional submarines. These behemoths and technological marvels are built on technologies that has taken over 20 years for China to develop including Air-Independent Propulsion (AIP) that allows submarines to stay submerged for weeks and (possibly) pump jet propulsion, a propulsion system yet to be implemented even in Western conventional submarines.

SUBMARINES COMPARED
Class
Surface Displacement (tons, dived)
Length (meters)
Kilo (636)
4,000
73.8
Song
2,250
75
Yuan
3,600
75
Qing
5,200*
92*

*Author’s own estimate

Such submarines change the naval balance in the Indian Ocean overnight, responding with the “positive asymmetry” to threats that this writer has been calling for vis-à-vis the Indian career and massive surface fleet destroyers and frigates. To complement, large nearly destroyer size frigates are also slated for Pakistan, with two Type 054 class ships to be taken out of Chinese naval use and put under the green star and sickle moon. A new class of improved smaller frigates designated F-23P and possibly larger ships in the class of the 054A are also likely to follow.
With the Qing Class, the PN will be able to pop on any side of the Indian Ocean and blow any port, city or entire states into ashes and dust. Pakistan’s nuclear triad would be complete and all discussions of seizing Pakistan’s nukes would become a story of the past.

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50 new JF-17 Block IIs gifted to Pakistan will join numerous others being manufactured in Pakistan from multiple factories in-country.
Specifications:
Infra-Red Search & Track (IRST), In-Flight Refueling (IFR), Low Observable technology, New composite airframe, HOBS missiles, superior EW.

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The Dragon’s new claws will now be serving the Pakistan Air Force. As originally analyzed by this author, 58 (and not 36) J-10Bs / FC-20s are being purchased from China.

Grande Strategy

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Pakistan Navy's S-30 Type 032 Qing-class SLCM-Armed SSK

 

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[Zarvan]

Why are you calling it of Pakistan ???

Why are you calling it of Pakistan ?