73 killed as Maoists ambush CRPF team

[Gazzi]

Why doesn't India, first try and talk to them..........maybe that will help

This Israeli attitude of promises to talk, and at the same time starting/ending operations doesn't bode too well with your opponent and allows others, (countries, not mentioning names) to use and arm the Naxals. As yet, they have not been given an intelligence help by the looks of it, when that happens, things will really start to get messy.

India needs to look at its future and bluddy well talk to the Naxals, as EQUALS and look into THEIR needs, concerns and expectations. This will avoid an armed confrontation.

If all fails, then yes, Military offensive is the answer, but only, ONLY as a LAST LAST LAST resort

 

[Gazzi]

That is a big lie!! There is no Indian Army soldiers in Maoist infested areas.

First get your facts right! Army is not being used against Maoists, its police and para-military forces fighting them!

Please don't give pathetic logic if, from Kashmir solders were taken out, so they were sent to these areas! Just research about India's active and reserved,Indian Army strength. We need not pull out 30,000 men!

Not according to the Indian Moaists spokesperson I just heard on NDTV. He doesn;t buy that and believes strongly about the troop deployment and current operations.

 

[Gazzi]

There were appr 1000 Naxals attacked 80 CRPF personals in the dense jungle! They were unprepared at that time. I am surprised about intelligent failures!!!

Its not about intelligence failures, its procedures not being followed.......

1000 naxals, your pretty much F***ed if that is correct.....but again, they should have been well aware before entering the kill zone, like I said, once you enter it, you are not getting out of it, such is the unfortunate reality of it

 

[karan.1970]

Not according to the Indian Moaists spokesperson I just heard on NDTV. He doesn;t buy that and believes strongly about the troop deployment and current operations.

anyway.. these brave ones who died today were CRPF soldiers and sending these police jawans in the maoist infested areas is foolish and heads should roll.

 

[baker]

Using the air force and the army against its own people? Bloody fascists. It is an unfortunate incident, all forms of violence need to be condemned. But its not like the GOI didnt ask for it. Why is it using paramilitary forces against the tribals? So that the tribals are forced to leave their lands and the mining companies like Vedanta move in? Is that why Chidambaram - a former board member in Vedanta's India subsidiary - keeps talking about the Maoists?

What the GOI is doing is illegal. The Tribals are protected by the 5th schedule of the constitution. The GOI can't sign agreements that forces tribals being usurped from their lands. Operation Greenhunt is nothing more an attempt to allow capitalists living in foreign nations to exploit our resources. So that people like Chidmabaram can have a comfortable retirement. If we are really patriots we need to wake up and oppose the governments actions. Stop the war against its own people and start peace talks now. Oppose operation greenhunt.

PS- i await with great anticipation the reply of people brainwashed by the media who will not like what i have had to so. Bring it on.



The maoists have been active since the 60s. Stop talking like an ignorant fool.

good post Bro....

Using Airforce and army against our own people will make the problem much worser.....

Am not supporting their armed act against our jawans or Govt offices.. but we should remember one think these people has started their struggle way back in 1960s against the landlords who exploits illiterate low cast and Adivasi people in Rural areas...
But the point here is still after 40 years naxalites still exists means
1:is there still Adivasi/lowcaste people exploited by Landlords....?
2:Or what is their actually need for this fight against our Govt..?

if the 1st problem still there it is our govt responsibility to protect our own people

just my thoughts...

RIP to our jawans

 

[Gazzi]

anyway.. these brave ones who died today were CRPF soldiers and sending these police jawans in the maoist infested areas is foolish and heads should roll.

Karan.....I don't agree with that. Sending in the CRPF shows courage and a tactical advantage and it was used effectively enough to p*** the Naxals off into launching this attack.......like I said in my earlier post, the downside was that procedures were just not followed costing these lives.........an example I gave was Pakistan Army having over a hundred soldiers kidnapped in one swoop in NWFP/FATA. They were released and some rescued, nonetheless, it became very apparant that procedures were just not followed....heads rolled in the Military command structure, but this has never happenned again.

 

[Pralay_Nath_ForYou]

Not according to the Indian Moaists spokesperson I just heard on NDTV. He doesn't buy that and believes strongly about the troop deployment and current operations.

Yeah you believe Naxals, then we should believe everything what TTP says about Pakistan!
Do u find Gunships flying, Tanks rolled out, Heavy machinery used, armored vehicle being used etc etc answer is NO

Just try and research and analyze!

But I think soon u will see Army entering, this is a Big thing!

Communists/Naxals/Marxists/Maoists/Stalinist/Leninists

 

[T-Faz]

RIP; alll the people who lost their lives.

Also were'nt the maoists ready for talk. I mean if there demand for economic help is met then the problem will go away.

And why are so many Indians asking for military to be utilised, i do not think that will be the right thing to do as that indicates Civil War and can affect economic performance, result in increased help to maoists from unfriendly countries and a humanitarian disaster.

 

[Kinetic]

Its not about intelligence failures, its procedures not being followed.......

1000 naxals, your pretty much F***ed if that is correct.....but again, they should have been well aware before entering the kill zone, like I said, once you enter it, you are not getting out of it, such is the unfortunate reality of it

I mean they coordinated the attack days before! As 1000 Naxals attacking them, they should have early information of that.

Why doesn't India, first try and talk to them..........maybe that will help

GoI is always ready to talk but not the Maoists!

Not according to the Indian Moaists spokesperson I just heard on NDTV. He doesn;t buy that and believes strongly about the troop deployment and current operations.

Nothing to say!!! You believe in Maoists 'spokesperson'!!! He doesn't know the difference between the Army and police!

 

[T-Faz]

Double post.

 

[Gazzi]

Yeah you believe Naxals, then we should believe everything what TTP says about Pakistan!
Do u find Gunships flying, Tanks rolled out, Heavy machinery used, armored vehicle being used etc etc answer is NO

Just try and research and analyze!

But I think soon u will see Army entering, this is a Big thing!

Communists/Naxals/Marxists/Maoists/Stalinist/Leninists

Nothing to say!!! You believe in Maoists 'spokesperson'!!! He doesn't know the difference between the Army and police!

You guys just do not understand...............Pralay Nath, you appear dead emotional at the moment, calm down and talk some sense.........it does not matter what I believe or what you believe, its what the Naxals believe that matters, why, well because they are the ones fighting.

The GoI agreed to talks, but then started operations against the Naxals as well. WTF is the point of talking then, you are turning one mans quest into a crusade, this is a slippery slope to go down for the sake of all Indians.

 

[Kinetic]

RIP; alll the people who lost their lives.

Also were'nt the maoists ready for talk. I mean if there demand for economic help is met then the problem will go away.

And why are so many Indians asking for military to be utilised, i do not think that will be the right thing to do as that indicates Civil War and can affect economic performance, result in increased help to maoists from unfriendly countries and a humanitarian disaster.

They are not ready for talk! Local govt has started massive development in most of the areas but Maoist foiling that. They have became another huge coordinated outlaws and bandits. They are doing every crime and people fear them, resulting less cooperation with the administrations.

 

[ek_indian]

I'm not supporting the Maoists. Of course they are not saints. But operation Greenhunt and the like allows them to garner support amongst the tribals.

I do not say Operation GreenHunt is good or bad. Because there are multiple sides to view at it. Maoist had support long before GreenHunt was even formulated. So I am not buying they are having support because of them.

The maoists blow up hospitals and schools is because these places are schools only in name. No health and education infrastructure exists in these areas. They are actually CRPF camps. The maoists have not rejected the talks offer, it is the GOI which has. The GOI keeps insisting that they abjure violence before talks. Abjure violence when they are being surrounded by 70,000 troops? Which group would ever do that? It is a calculated move so that the GOi can claim higher ground. They don't actually want talks with the Maoists.

Now, this is new and easy denial to say there was nothing. What about roads, railtrack etc. etc.
GoI ofcourse said they need to abjure violence before talks. I do not find any wrong in this. GoI even offered them for talk when there was not "70000" troops (though without any link). However maoist only utilised the time to regroup and attack again. Just after the truce, they attacked CRPF camp and killed many jawans.

Name one media house that gives the Maoists a voice? None. Why should they? The Media houses are run on advertising by corporates, the very same corporates that want the mining deals to go through. So why should any channel talk about anything less than the spectre of "Red Terror"? The only media houses that tries to be balanced is The Hindu and the magazine Frontline.

You named two big media houses who are in support of them. So the question of not having any media support is ruled out.

Rightwing ideology is espoused by the pathetic media house known as the Times of India and their TV channel Times Now. Also the Pioneer and India Today has BJP sympathies. Lest not forget India TV which instead of talking of news, talks of Hindu Myths and Ghosts, totally right wing crap. So you are mistaken when you say that the media doesnt give right wing ideology a fair say. I would say Right wing ideology dominates the Indian media, especially Hindi news channels.

Haha....I was thinking these name would come up.
It is a biggest myth that Times group is rightist supporter. Infact they are the ones who worked to subotage it. These so called Hindi or English media houses are loyal to one political party only. They never supported any rightwing organiations of any kind.

Also let me know what has ghost, doomsday stories has to do with leftist or rightist views. This is what I am pointing at. Associating these with rightist view makes the ideology weaker. Any BS news is being associated with rightism. In short, it is sensationalism, not related to any views. Anyways, this is offtopic here.

Lastly, India Today is not a rightist magazine. It just accomodate those views as well. Can not say anything about Poineer as do not read it.

 

[Gazzi]

RIP; alll the people who lost their lives.

Also were'nt the maoists ready for talk. I mean if there demand for economic help is met then the problem will go away.

And why are so many Indians asking for military to be utilised, i do not think that will be the right thing to do as that indicates Civil War and can affect economic performance, result in increased help to maoists from unfriendly countries and a humanitarian disaster.

I totally agree.......many countries will take advantage of such a situation and the results will be a total F***ing catastrophe whereby in any War (which unfortunately is a business for some) sides will be taken and lines drawn.......no doubt, the Naxals will get support, which is one reason why the GoI has not taken rush actions thus far, and waited for this time, unfortunately doing nothing to address the concerns of the Naxals.......

Some countries who may well end uyp helping the Naxals when hostilities grow don't seem to understand that if India is hurt or destablised, unlike Pakistan, the whole region will suffer massively to a point of sheer and utter chaos.

Hence, India needs to sort this out diplomatically

 

[Gazzi]

They are not ready for talk! Local govt has started massive development in most of the areas but Maoist foiling that. They have became another huge coordinated outlaws and bandits. They are doing every crime and people fear them, resulting less cooperation with the administrations.

Kinetic, you say that, but the Naxals are saying the same, of you selling their land and way of life to corporates and even alleging massacres, rapes and allegations of men who are accused by the Police of being Maoists, and killed in an enounter having their hands cut off to avoid forensical links to any firearms residue.

Whether anyone believes it or not, they are alledging it....thats what amtters and needs to be sorted out.