70% crimes will end if political parties' militant wing members arrested'

[Wasif A.K.]

There are no mohajirs - Mojirat end the second Pakistan was created -- Is it legal to set up militant wings of political parties?

Ideally it is not, But in karachi no sole party can be pointed out that does not have armed and trained shooters.
Call a spade a spade, u wanna call some one terrorist or militant than bring everyone into the line.

JUSTICE IS NO JUSTICE
JUSTICE IS BALANCE
WITHOUT BALANCE THEIR CAN BE NO JUSTICE!

"adal" aur insaf~~~ ISLAMI MAASHRA!

 

[Wasif A.K.]

I was just about to post the era of Ayub Khan and the reality of unrest in Karachi when I came across your post. My friend, most of them know all this already but they themselves are a part of this hate clan and will leave no opportunity to malign MQM.

If i wanted to i would have also shown the killings and other things through some sources, But i realized that when the heart is filled of hatred and propoganda BS, u can't do much about it.

A glass of water which is already full can't be filled any further more, so Brother save ur energy and let the people who live on just hearing from here there and from their papa's mama's chachu's khalu's etc etc live it the way they want. Let them burn in their own fire of hate.

 

[airmarshal]

The first bloodshed was in 1984. That was long before Nawaz Sharif made a name in politics. Ever since MQM came into being, there has been bloodshed in Karachi.

there is no doubt MQM is a terrorist outfit. Its not bias, its just observation being born and lived in Karachi for a long time before moving here.

 

[pak-marine]

The first bloodshed was in 1984. That was long before Nawaz Sharif made a name in politics. Ever since MQM came into being, there has been bloodshed in Karachi.

do some research on ayub khan era and you will know a bit more

 

[pak-marine]

T-- Is it legal to set up militant wings of political parties?

is it legal for establishments to fund extremists organisations and use them fighting proxy wars both inside and outside the country ?

T-- Is it legal to set up militant wings of political parties?

is it legal for establishments to fund extremists organisations and use them fighting proxy wars both inside and outside the country ?

 

[airmarshal]

do some research on ayub khan era and you will know a bit more

I know a lot more. But I dont know why you bring in Ayub era here. I know how MQM did exactly the same thing that it complaints about that Ayub era.

Having said all this, no point in arguing. If Karachi wants to get out of violence, it needs an iron hand to take weapons away from all the parties. If we Karachi peaceful, there should be rule of law and no one should have weapons except law enforcement. I know wont MQM like this.

This MQM babbling about operation and other stuff is a little hard to digest when everyone knows it has established its brand of violent politics in Karachi.

I said I m from Karachi and your tales of your mazloomiat cant convince me. You have more than avenged the 'mazaalim' by being in government forever and committing gun crime.

 

[pak-marine]

=airmarshal;3625843]I know a lot more. But I dont know why you bring in Ayub era here. I know how MQM did exactly the same thing that it complaints about that Ayub era.

You said first blood shed was in 84 i was correcting you , that you are wrong and there was a serious incident in ayub khans era .. instead of winging non stop about MQM why not have a more detailed look. And if you know so much than tell me why was the unrest in 84 was different to than of ayub era ???

Having said all this, no point in arguing. If Karachi wants to get out of violence, it needs an iron hand to take weapons away from all the parties. If we Karachi peaceful, there should be rule of law and no one should have weapons except law enforcement. I know wont MQM like this.

and in your logic the whole country should have it , except karachi ... right ??

 

[EagleEyes]

Lets start with MQM and ANP.

Last i heard Altaf was giving fatwas to his jawanoon to be prepared for military operation.

 

[airmarshal]

The MQM think that operation must be started in whole of Pakistan to take away the weapons. Thats a very fair idea.

But they will not agree that Karachi should be weapons free. Inherently, they think that no one should have weapons except MQM. It shows that their ideology is based on gun violence.

The problem is Karachi right now. And to a lesser extent the rest of Pakistan. Nowhere in Pakistan, dozen or more people die in a day. To the grand shame of this MQM govt., in all about 6000 people have died in Karachi in 4.5 years of their stellar reign.

But dont talk about taking away the weapons. No one even named MQM but their ***** are on fire for God knows what fear.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

So now when i proved from the historic point of view what actually happened from the very beginning, u have turned to personal traits of a person ?

I dont need to justify my self infront of anyone, only god JUDGES me.

meanwhile just for ur information i would still like to tell u something

we are KHAN, our cast is YOUSUFZAI, and about the sardar statement i am sure that if u live in loralai u can some time visit and meet someone in dukki, "aged enough", and ask him about some one named "CHAND KHAN" who used to be head of the people/ tribe who lived there in 1930's - 1940's ... And also try to enquire about his son named BASHIR AHMED KHAN .. who completed his MBBS and became the first doctor of that region.... who later on after the Independence of Pakistan moved to karachi. Now Be glad to go there and inquire.

YA ALLAH I wish, I wish there comes a time in Pakistan when people accept and realize the truth without being centered about who's mouth are those words coming from~~~ and is he/she is from us or not~~~ weather pashtun ? or punjabi or sindhi or mahajir or some othe crap~~~~

When a person dies, what matters is the truth and the lies/wrongs that he takes with himself in the hear after. ALLAH will not ask anyone about what language did we prefer to speak or what firqa we belonged to, I feel Pity at the mentality of the people of our country some time.

P.S. If u ever come to Karachi, and are willing to meet me then let me know, my Grandmother still has saved some remains from the place dukki which i would be glad to show you also.

may ALLAH bless u : )

I need to know your background because you defended MQM so vigorously like a seasoned party member and then you specified that you are a "pathan" from dukki, balochistan and you are son of a sardar....your message to readers was that even a pathan like you is fond of MQM. While i felt from you mistakes that you are fake, you just created new ID with fake identity just to glorify MQM....If i speak to you in Pakhto, your excuse would be that your family has forgotten pashto in karachi.....you made following mistakes.
1- Like typical urduspeakers you used word pathan for youself. But it can be ignored due to slipping of tongue.
2- You even dont know difference between khan, malak and sardar......Sardar is baloch-specific title for head of tribe in Balochistan. When i mentioned to you that Pashtuns have khans or malaks not sardars, you responded by saying "we are khan" mistaking khan as a clan.And then you called your neko as sardar again. And for your information the chief of pashtun tribe is appointed by qaumi jirga consisted of local notables, your family permanently settled in karachi are no longer s "sardars", and if you are trying to impress members here that you are grandfather was a sardar then you should remember that unlike sardar of balochs , khan or malak of pashtuns is totally powerless when it comes to dictating people.
3- You said you belong to yousafzai "caste".......Word caste is used by indian pathans. Urduspeaking pathans in mohajir community mostly belong to yousfazai rohillas originating from U.P.
4- your most interesting mistake, there are no yousafzais in loralai. The pashtun tribe living in dukki is spin tareen....next time when you lie then tell them that you are spin tareen from dukki tehsil of loralai.

 

[Mav3rick]

is it legal for establishments to fund extremists organisations and use them fighting proxy wars both inside and outside the country ?

Also, is it legal for establishment to unleash the LEA's/Military on civilians? That was true for Karachi in the 90's and is true for NWFP & Baluchistan today. We can all see the result.

 

[Mav3rick]

Lets start with MQM and ANP.

Last i heard Altaf was giving fatwas to his jawanoon to be prepared for military operation.

MQM can approach the SHC or SC to ensure that no illegal military operation is conducted. Why must we resort to violence when there are peaceful solutions? Is the military trained and qualified to 'police' her own citizens?

I remember watching the movie 'The Siege' and in the movie there is immense pressure on the military general to impose a curfew by the civilian leadership and that's exactly what the general says, he says that militaries are trained for war, to fight off the 'enemy', they are not trained to 'police' their citizens.

Anyway there is a peaceful solution to all unrest, be it in Karachi or Baluchistan or FATA etc.

 

[batmannow]

The first bloodshed was in 1984. That was long before Nawaz Sharif made a name in politics. Ever since MQM came into being, there has been bloodshed in Karachi.

there is no doubt MQM is a terrorist outfit. Its not bias, its just observation being born and lived in Karachi for a long time before moving here.

Just Bring the proves u hve against MQM to traitor & sold Cj ,& get a life time ban on MQM, he will charge jst 7 million usd , which IK just got from his trip of USA ? Lol
But is tht going to solve karachi problem?
Or
Are you advocating a mass murder of MQM & its supporters by police? Is that the solution all you can give ? Lol
Same mentality of solving every problem of pakistan in 90 days is in work?lol
Wow ! Genius

 

[Wasif A.K.]

The MQM think that operation must be started in whole of Pakistan to take away the weapons. Thats a very fair idea.

But they will not agree that Karachi should be weapons free. Inherently, they think that no one should have weapons except MQM. It shows that their ideology is based on gun violence.

The problem is Karachi right now. And to a lesser extent the rest of Pakistan. Nowhere in Pakistan, dozen or more people die in a day. To the grand shame of this MQM govt., in all about 6000 people have died in Karachi in 4.5 years of their stellar reign.

But dont talk about taking away the weapons. No one even named MQM but their ***** are on fire for God knows what fear.

This is not the case here, They agree to give away and surrender the weapons But the problem is once the weapon is taken away from them It will be hard for them to acquire it back in times of Brutality. And i agree with there opinion somewhat because the others still would have easy access to the arms as they can simply make it themselves.

And since u are claiming that Mass murder started after MQM came into the scene.Let me tell you my friend "1964-1965"
is the time, when the first time the mass murder of people were reported on ethnic bases, it was 1964-1965 when ayub khan started brutal killings of mohajirs on ethnic bases because they supported bibi Fatima Jinnah. And then later on(1958) changed the capital of state, From Karachi to Islamabad

1964-1965 Now i have given you the date too for ur ease, Would u mind checking it ? Or still not, Depends on you!

 

[batmannow]

MQM can approach the SHC or SC to ensure that no illegal military operation is conducted. Why must we resort to violence when there are peaceful solutions? Is the military trained and qualified to 'police' her own citizens?

I remember watching the movie 'The Siege' and in the movie there is immense pressure on the military general to impose a curfew by the civilian leadership and that's exactly what the general says, he says that militaries are trained for war, to fight off the 'enemy', they are not trained to 'police' their citizens.

Anyway there is a peaceful solution to all unrest, be it in Karachi or Baluchistan or FATA etc.

Which SHC?
U mean Cj don arsalan chowdri?lol
Yes he can do the justice,but where to contact him in monte-carlo?lol
Nothing has left clean, only a quick grand marshallaw is the only option left, its up to the army to wait or not to wait, or save this damo-crazy or to save pakistan, & karachi!