6 dead in string of attacks in southern Israel

[Safriz]

^^ until the time israel keeps treating its most important neighbour palestine and ruling hamas as low lives...there wont be any solution.
Israel iscso full of themselves that they wont even listen to the government of palestine...
if they denied involvement in the attack..they should have been beleived forca.start and then matter investivatex taking them and egypt in congidence.
But Israel the bull high on testosterones has made a mess of it.....now a trusted ally is angry .. egypt..and palestine is also firing rockets at them....after IAF bombed them..

so who is to blame...israel? or the rest of the world?

if you want to talk about baluchistan and BLA..there are other threads for that.

 

[untitled]

Well Israel is definitely one of the parties which thrives on the strife ..... They get to play with victim card and hence maintain the status quo

 

[Safriz]

Well Israel is definitely one of the parties which thrives on the strife ..... They get to play with victim card and hence maintain the status quo

to be honest if Israel really wanted oeace they had done it long ago....people have made peace with canivorous jungle animals...Israel is dealing with humans...but driving them out if their homes for new jewish settlements..after making deals not to....wont make them happy....
israel has to create distractions to turn the worlds attention from their hidden agendas..

 

[muse]

to be honest if Israel really wanted oeace they had done it long ago....people have made peace with canivorous jungle animals...Israel is dealing with humans...but driving them out if their homes for new jewish settlements..after making deals not to....wont make them happy....
israel has to create distractions to turn the worlds attention from their hidden agendas..

And Pakistanis and Indians are then, even less than animals ?? How long has our conflict continued, how many were driven from their homes.

It's sad that instead of looking at this as a most dangerous development, a development whose larger design is to wreck relations between two former adversaries, and in the process, throw the entire region into a larger conflict

 

[bularab]

500, just two for the year, one for the month. Where did you get that info that two were killed today?

 

[Safriz]

yes and that mysterious group who causes trouble over and over again is israel themselves.

you know why? this is why.
BBC News - Jewish settlement construction increases, report says
and this may have been the trigger in addition to recent demos
http://www.news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-08/15/c_131050873.htm

 

[muse]

I really do wonder why some Pakistanis imagine themselves more arbi than the Balestinians - I really never can understand that.

How many Pakistanis would agree that they would leave Baluchistan, all the Baluchi need to do is terrorism against Pakistan?? So why do you think the same should not apply to others??

 

[SekrutYakhni]

"Do we in Pakistan accept it when for instance some baluch Sardar's territory is used to launch attacks on Pakistani forces? I think you know very well what our response to that is -- and most us want an even more expansive response.

Muse, you failed to mention the fact that the land of chosen ones is on a disputed territory. On the other hand, tribes
welcomed Jinnah before partition. I am not in favour of terror attack from EITHER side but the ideology behind the
attacks from Palestinian side goes back to history.

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However, I think Israel should be accepted as a nation and in return, Israel should stop settlements on the disputed territory.

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Muse, stop being more Yiddish than Jews themselves.

 

[Safriz]

I really do wonder why some Pakistanis imagine themselves more arbi than the Balestinians - I really never can understand that.

How many Pakistanis would agree that they would leave Baluchistan, all the Baluchi need to do is terrorism against Pakistan?? So why do you think the same should not apply to others??

you are comparing two totally different scenarios

 

[muse]

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[/COLOR]Muse, stop being more Yiddish than Jews themselves.

Speaking of Disputed territory - the West Bank is not disputed - Israel occupies it illegally. And the sooner the Israeli understand that their position is untenable, the better off everybody, especially the Israeli

I'm trying to point to why our Pakistani posters do not have traction on this issue. They lose all their ability to persuade and make people think because they just come across as unreasonable

Yiddish is a language

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you are comparing two totally different scenarios

How so? Please explain

 

[500]

They did offer a truce but .....

In 2006 letter to Bush, Haniyeh offered compromise with Israel - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Haniyeh offer is joke: Israel gives to Hamas all territories and in return they will give us 10 year truce Then we will attack u again, but this time rockets will fall not just in South but also in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

500, just two for the year, one for the month. Where did you get that info that two were killed today?

One woman was in critical condition now. According to some repots she died.

Speaking of Disputed territory - the West Bank is not disputed - Israel occupies it illegally.

Thats not true. Israel has right to stay there according to UN Res 242 and Oslo Agreements. According t these agreements the final status of territories and borders should be determined during negotiations.

 

[Safriz]

so basically you are saying that since we are Pakistani..we are not previlaged enough to have an opinion about anything happening in the world?

 

[Safriz]

@500, no israel did not give hamas territory..they kept on building new settlements on palestinian land.....although the truce agreement bars israel from expanding..but they always breach truce by making new settlements and driving palesstinians away.

 

[muse]

Israel has right to stay there according to UN Res 242 and Oslo Agreements. According t these agreements the final status of territories and borders should be determined during negotiations.

Perhaps this is your understanding - the rest of world does not share this understanding - By claiming final status for 44 years, what the Israeli govt hope is that by "creating facts" in the form of settlements, the final status will be decided - again, the rest of the world does ot share this understanding - no one has agreed to such an open ended agreement, which is why the settlements continue to be illegal, as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

so basically you are saying that since we are Pakistani..we are not previlaged enough to have an opinion about anything happening in the world?

On the contrary, i'm suggesting that unless we can try to see both sides of the coin, we will not be taken seriously by either, because we will have made our point of view irrelevant -- When we, express indignation and do not ensure that the indignation is not masked antisemitism, we only distance ourselves from people we seek to persuade.

Look, the Israeli belongs, you can say he's from Poland or from Mars, but he belongs and he has a history in all of these countries.
Does that mean the Palestinian does not? again, on the contrary, every single day that the Palestinian state is delayed, is another day of tragedy, for the Palestinian and the Israeli.

In Israeli, for some it seems, the realization of how the world has changed has not set in.

 

[500]

Perhaps this is your understanding - the rest of world does not share this understanding - By claiming final status for 44 years, what the Israeli govt hope is that by "creating facts" in the form of settlements, the final status will be decided - again, the rest of the world does ot share this understanding - no one has agreed to such an open ended agreement, which is why the settlements continue to be illegal, as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

Read Oslo agreements. According to agreements Wet Bank and Gaza are devided into 3 zones:

A - full Palestinian control.
B - Palestinian civil rule, Israeli military control.
C - full Israeli control.

The final status and borders should be determined in negotiations. Until then Israel has full legal right to stay in zones B and C.