5th generation fighter for U.A.E

[araz]

I personally think the UAE should ditch the idea of going for the rafale as it adds nothing new to what they already have and go for f35 which blatantly does!! In many ways one cna even argue that UAE only opened the front for negotiations with The french to get the Americans to take the bait.It is a win win situation for both as F35 s mean more american presence and possible consolidation of a regional trade hub, while it gives the UAE a real sense of safety. Frankly it has never made sense to me to let go of theM2ks so early in their life as they have a few yrs still left in them and they are still a potent system.
Araz

 

[maithil]

UAE and SAUDI seem to compete with each other in getting fighter aircrafts..?
Saudi takes EUROFIGHTER, UAE takes RAFALE...Saudi plans for F-15SE, UAE plans for F-35

too much petro $ ...why cant they increase their investment in other countries or, help other poor countries...there are so many countries in africa which can use these dollars..cut a few F-35 from the list and give the money to any such african nation...

 

[sEoulman556]

The typical, somewhat uninformed response is, "Iran". I don't buy that. I don't think anyone in the UAE government actually believes the Iranians will invade. If you drive around Dubai and Abu Dhabi you will see massive Iranian presence, e.g. office of the Bank Melli Iran and many others. The Iranis would not have have been allowed the level of access they have if they were considered a Tier-1 threat. I also don't feel Iran considers war with an untroublesome UAE anywhere near the top of their agenda. Doesn't make any strategic sense.

So, coming to the question, I think one of the things that drives the UAE's defence purchases is pure and simple national pride; they don't want to be considered toothless like a Singapore, for instance. The real estate ad for the Dubai Waterfront says, "Twice the size of Hong Kong". So a lot is driven by national pride and the desire to have the best.

The other element is that the UAE is very deeply integrated into the global chain of business. Defence is, above all else, big business. There is a lot of give and take in these areas - I'm making the following example up, but go with me here: you buy our jets, we'll give Emirates and Etihad landing rights in all major american airports. Or you invest in such-and-such and we'll let you own a majority stake in Macy's or Sak's Fifth etc.

Since the west considers the UAE an ally, it makes sense for them to try to sell the latest and greatest to the UAE. They perceive these jets to be in "safe hands" and the UAE wants to use them as symbols of national pride... meanwhile, middlemen and business people on both sides make money. That's the kind of 'logic' that drives most defence purchases in the UAE.

Quality comment, bro.

 

[uzair ramay]

its like a new sports car for them....

 

[applesauce]

way to dig up a 3 year old thread without even adding any additional info

 

[Nishan_101]

A top United Arab Emirates military leader said that his country aspires to obtain a fifth-generation fighter in the very near term, suggesting a potential new sales coup for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.



"I hope that within a couple years the UAE, like many other countries, will have a fifth-generation fighter," says Brig Gen Ibrahim Naser Alalawi, deputy commander of the UAE Air Force and Air Defence. Alalawi was speaking at the Dubai International Air Chiefs conference held yesterday morning at Dubai's Knowledge Village Conference Centre.



Lockheed's F-35 is expected to be the only fifth-generation fighter available for sale for perhaps another decade. The Chinese J-12 and the Russian/Indian PAK-FA remain in the early stages of development.





The UAE has previously not been named among the several countries - including the UK, Australia and Israel - planning to buy the first export F-35s scheduled for delivery after 2013.



Ibrahim made the remark in the context of delivering a speech on the UAE's requirements for filling a capability gap with a new generation of advanced jet trainers. The UAE has selected the Alenia Aermacchi M-346 as a lead-in trainer for its new Lockheed F-16E/F Block 60s.

The US Air Force, meanwhile, is considering buying the M-346 as the last step for building up the skills of future F-35 pilots.



Alalawi did not elaborate beyond expressing his hope that the UAE will own a fifth-generation fighter. Subsequent slides showed pictures of the Lockheed F-22 and F-35. US law prohibits Lockheed from selling the F-22 abroad, but the US government strongly supports foreign sales of the F-35 to its allies.



It was not immediately clear how Alalawi's remarks could influence support among UAE military leaders to acquire another advanced fourth-generation fighter - the Dassault Rafale - even sooner.



Lockheed originally projected F-35 sales in the Middle East in programme briefing slides dating back to 2002. But more recently the company has declined opportunities to name the UAE as a near-term sales target. The F-35 is not even on display at Lockheed (stand E450), which is instead dominated by a model of the F-16.

here is the link

ASIAN DEFENCE: UAE reveals fifth-generation fighter

Better to Join in with PAC and CAC but the second option is to do JV with Turkey.

 

[selvan33]

Better to Join in with PAC and CAC but the second option is to do JV with Turkey.

What they will Do by joining with PAC. they mentioned for fifth gen.aircraft. Is PAC and CAC jointly developing any fifth gen.fighter. Joining with turkey is little sense because TAI's programme partner is SAAB.s o we can expect something new but that maytake more time.

 

[Nishan_101]

What they will Do by joining with PAC. they mentioned for fifth gen.aircraft. Is PAC and CAC jointly developing any fifth gen.fighter. Joining with turkey is little sense because TAI's programme partner is SAAB.s o we can expect something new but that maytake more time.

Sir, although most of the people accept that Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan, Oman and even Yemen should have join in for EF-2000 along with some Baisc, Intermediate and Advance Jet Trainer Program.

 

[selvan33]

Sir, although most of the people accept that Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan, Oman and even Yemen should have join in for EF-2000 along with some Baisc, Intermediate and Advance Jet Trainer Program.

If they are going for EF joint production means that will be really a good move.

 

[Storm Force]

The chinease JET nobody will bar China and it wont be available for a VIABLE weapons platform well beyond 2025

F35 is the REAL DEAL its here & now AND avialable AND IT WORKS is ready to go to war BY 2017

pak fa IS ALSO very real BUT RUSSIA with help of indian money WIL need 5 -7 MORE YEARS TO MAKE IT ready TO SMASH all comers post 2020.

FOR UAE it will be F35

For the REST it will depend how NICE THEY ARE to india to see IF WE want sell our FGFA

THIS IS ONE SEXY BEAST

 

[Kompromat]

India has no selling rights for PAKFA/FGFA.

 

[Luftwaffe]

The chinease JET nobody will bar China and it wont be available for a VIABLE weapons platform well beyond 2025

pak fa IS ALSO very real BUT RUSSIA with help of indian money WIL need 5 -7 MORE YEARS TO MAKE IT ready TO SMASH all comers post 2020.

Dude what are you saying you gone full retard? Chinese is unreal PakFa is real? first you term pak-fa real then you say 5-7 years require to make it ready?

What viable weapons platform [define and explain in detail] are you talking about how pakfa weapons platform adaptable when U.A.E for its entire life were synced with western US platform and weapons.

 

[Storm Force]

Aeronaut India has same rights on pak fa has your jf17., you all claim thunder has export rights on zero basis.heck we are virtually bankrolling pak fa for next decade.five billion dollars of course we have export rights

 

[Arabian Legend]

The typical, somewhat uninformed response is, "Iran". I don't buy that. I don't think anyone in the UAE government actually believes the Iranians will invade. If you drive around Dubai and Abu Dhabi you will see massive Iranian presence, e.g. office of the Bank Melli Iran and many others. The Iranis would not have have been allowed the level of access they have if they were considered a Tier-1 threat. I also don't feel Iran considers war with an untroublesome UAE anywhere near the top of their agenda. Doesn't make any strategic sense.

So, coming to the question, I think one of the things that drives the UAE's defence purchases is pure and simple national pride; they don't want to be considered toothless like a Singapore, for instance. The real estate ad for the Dubai Waterfront says, "Twice the size of Hong Kong". So a lot is driven by national pride and the desire to have the best.

The other element is that the UAE is very deeply integrated into the global chain of business. Defence is, above all else, big business. There is a lot of give and take in these areas - I'm making the following example up, but go with me here: you buy our jets, we'll give Emirates and Etihad landing rights in all major american airports. Or you invest in such-and-such and we'll let you own a majority stake in Macy's or Sak's Fifth etc.

Since the west considers the UAE an ally, it makes sense for them to try to sell the latest and greatest to the UAE. They perceive these jets to be in "safe hands" and the UAE wants to use them as symbols of national pride... meanwhile, middlemen and business people on both sides make money. That's the kind of 'logic' that drives most defence purchases in the UAE.

what a nonsense, Iran is occupying UAE islands and you r saying Iran is not an enemy. Iran is our enemy and will always be. I pray for the time we lunch a devastating war on that failed state and bring whole Persia back under our control.

Iran is not an enemy , its just a Hysteria they are creating to sale their toys.

End of the story

This is stupid..^.. surprise coming from you. I thought you are aware of regional issues.

Peace

 

[Luftwaffe]

what a nonsense, Iran is occupying UAE islands and you r saying Iran is not an enemy. Iran is our enemy and will always be. I pray for the time we lunch a devastating war on that failed state and bring whole Persia back under our control.

You arabs on your own can't take down Iran even with latest toys, so first launch a devastating war on israel for holding Palestine hostage for the past 45 years then whine about Iran. Don't think Iran is a failed state it has survived 34 years successfully, why would you want Persia under your control when it doesn't belong to you just like you whined earlier about so called u.a.e islands not belonging to Iran should an Iranian come and spank you with a devastating war syntax.