5 Ways China Could Sink A U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier

[beijingwalker]

5 Ways China Could Sink A U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier​

By Brent M. Eastwood
Published Dec. 17 2022

What if the United States lost an aircraft carrier to China in a critical naval battle?

This would be a shot heard around the world and instill panic in the White House, Pentagon, Congress, and the general public.

China has numerous ways it could take out a carrier: using carrier killing missiles, hypersonic missiles, conventional stand-off missiles from airplanes, or torpedoes and cruise missiles from submarines, including a new ship-launched “hybrid missile-torpedo.”

Below, let us explore some of these concepts which also serves as a defacto primer showing how lethal China’s military has become over the last several decades:

DF-21D and DF-26: Let’s Start with the Carrier Killer Ballistic Missiles​

The DF-21D and the DF-26 carrier-killing missiles can hit a moving target from 1,000 to 2,500 miles away.


The DF-26 is a road-mobile solid-fueled intermediate-range ballistic missile.

It is dual-use with conventional and nuclear warheads that can weigh up to 4,000 pounds.


The DF-26 has a range of 2,500 miles which could help China with its anti-access area denial operations against U.S. carriers.

The DF-21D is a dedicated anti-ship missile. It is also solid-fueled and road-mobile. Its range is 1,335 miles. The DF-21D is 36 feet long, weighing 32,407 pounds with a payload of 1,322 pounds.

The Age of the Hypersonic Glide Vehicle Is Here​

The DF-17 missile with its hypersonic glide vehicle could also destroy an aircraft carrier.


China showed this missile off in 2019. The missile can fly from MACH 5 to MACH 10. Its maximum range is over 1,500 miles. It also can carry a nuclear or conventional payload.

Its speed and maneuverability allow it to outfox enemy air defense systems. Military Today described its potency and survivability. “If its initial attack fails, it can even reengage the target. Alternatively, the glide vehicle can descend to a very low altitude just before reaching its target.”

Anti-ship Missile Launches form Bombers​

The Xian H-6K bomber is formidable, and it can carry the YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missile. This missile flies at MACH 3 and can operate with in-air maneuvers.

It can carry nuclear or conventional payloads with a 1,100 pound warhead and multi-stage booster.

Its range after launching from the H-6 bomber is 248 miles.

The YJ-12 is dangerous because this is outside the range of the American ballistic missile defenses for its ships – the Aegis Combat Systems and SM-2 surface-to-air missiles. The Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance says “protection against the YJ-12 is even more difficult due to its cork-screw-like turns which allow it to evade final defenses.”

Submarine Torpedoes and a New Hybrid Missile/ Torpedo Weapon​

China’s Type0938 Shang II-class is arguably China’s best submarine. It can fire the YJ-82 anti-ship missile and the Yu-6 wire-guided torpedo.

The Yu-6 can be compared to the American Mk48, the most advanced torpedo in the navy’s arsenal. Electric torpedoes can also be carried.

Of more significant concern is that China has just tested a hybrid missile-torpedo weapon. This anti-ship weapon begins as a ship-launched ballistic missile that then changes into a torpedo on its terminal phase. The missile flies at MACH 2.5 at 32,000 feet. This phase lasts for 124 miles. Then it swoops down to skim the water before it changes into a torpedo.

Carrier Obsolete? ​

These are indeed some scary ways a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier could be destroyed. All methods are potent. The American AEGIS Combat System is good, but it may not be good enough, especially if the YJ-12 is fired outside its range. That leaves the ships’ Phalanx close-in weapon system as the last ditch effort to destroy these incoming munitions.

Hypersonics are obviously a concern and much tougher to defend against. The DF-21D and DF-26 will keep flat-tops from operating where they want. The Americans will have to focus their anti-submarine efforts to ensure enemy subs do not close enough to fire anti-ship missiles or torpedoes.

The new hybrid missile-torpedo is something that many in the U.S. Navy have probably never pondered and it will take a new effort of detection if it is ever deployed in numbers.

All in all, the Americans will be challenged and may have to stay out of range and depend on its fighters to take the fight to the Chinese before they can launch a strike. Naval intelligence will have its hands full tracking all of these weapons.

5 Ways China Could Sink a U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier

Thanks to billions of dollars spend over decades, China now has a whole range of options to sink a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier.

www.19fortyfive.com

 

[etylo]

American war mongers on the PDF think Chinese anti-ship ballistic missiles
DF 21D and DF 26 are just hoax.

 

[Oldman1]

5 Ways China Could Sink A U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier​

By Brent M. Eastwood
Published Dec. 17 2022

What if the United States lost an aircraft carrier to China in a critical naval battle?

This would be a shot heard around the world and instill panic in the White House, Pentagon, Congress, and the general public.

China has numerous ways it could take out a carrier: using carrier killing missiles, hypersonic missiles, conventional stand-off missiles from airplanes, or torpedoes and cruise missiles from submarines, including a new ship-launched “hybrid missile-torpedo.”

Below, let us explore some of these concepts which also serves as a defacto primer showing how lethal China’s military has become over the last several decades:

DF-21D and DF-26: Let’s Start with the Carrier Killer Ballistic Missiles​

The DF-21D and the DF-26 carrier-killing missiles can hit a moving target from 1,000 to 2,500 miles away.


The DF-26 is a road-mobile solid-fueled intermediate-range ballistic missile.

It is dual-use with conventional and nuclear warheads that can weigh up to 4,000 pounds.


The DF-26 has a range of 2,500 miles which could help China with its anti-access area denial operations against U.S. carriers.

The DF-21D is a dedicated anti-ship missile. It is also solid-fueled and road-mobile. Its range is 1,335 miles. The DF-21D is 36 feet long, weighing 32,407 pounds with a payload of 1,322 pounds.

The Age of the Hypersonic Glide Vehicle Is Here​

The DF-17 missile with its hypersonic glide vehicle could also destroy an aircraft carrier.


China showed this missile off in 2019. The missile can fly from MACH 5 to MACH 10. Its maximum range is over 1,500 miles. It also can carry a nuclear or conventional payload.

Its speed and maneuverability allow it to outfox enemy air defense systems. Military Today described its potency and survivability. “If its initial attack fails, it can even reengage the target. Alternatively, the glide vehicle can descend to a very low altitude just before reaching its target.”

Anti-ship Missile Launches form Bombers​

The Xian H-6K bomber is formidable, and it can carry the YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missile. This missile flies at MACH 3 and can operate with in-air maneuvers.

It can carry nuclear or conventional payloads with a 1,100 pound warhead and multi-stage booster.

Its range after launching from the H-6 bomber is 248 miles.

The YJ-12 is dangerous because this is outside the range of the American ballistic missile defenses for its ships – the Aegis Combat Systems and SM-2 surface-to-air missiles. The Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance says “protection against the YJ-12 is even more difficult due to its cork-screw-like turns which allow it to evade final defenses.”

Submarine Torpedoes and a New Hybrid Missile/ Torpedo Weapon​

China’s Type0938 Shang II-class is arguably China’s best submarine. It can fire the YJ-82 anti-ship missile and the Yu-6 wire-guided torpedo.

The Yu-6 can be compared to the American Mk48, the most advanced torpedo in the navy’s arsenal. Electric torpedoes can also be carried.

Of more significant concern is that China has just tested a hybrid missile-torpedo weapon. This anti-ship weapon begins as a ship-launched ballistic missile that then changes into a torpedo on its terminal phase. The missile flies at MACH 2.5 at 32,000 feet. This phase lasts for 124 miles. Then it swoops down to skim the water before it changes into a torpedo.

Carrier Obsolete? ​

These are indeed some scary ways a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier could be destroyed. All methods are potent. The American AEGIS Combat System is good, but it may not be good enough, especially if the YJ-12 is fired outside its range. That leaves the ships’ Phalanx close-in weapon system as the last ditch effort to destroy these incoming munitions.

Hypersonics are obviously a concern and much tougher to defend against. The DF-21D and DF-26 will keep flat-tops from operating where they want. The Americans will have to focus their anti-submarine efforts to ensure enemy subs do not close enough to fire anti-ship missiles or torpedoes.

The new hybrid missile-torpedo is something that many in the U.S. Navy have probably never pondered and it will take a new effort of detection if it is ever deployed in numbers.

All in all, the Americans will be challenged and may have to stay out of range and depend on its fighters to take the fight to the Chinese before they can launch a strike. Naval intelligence will have its hands full tracking all of these weapons.

5 Ways China Could Sink a U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier

Thanks to billions of dollars spend over decades, China now has a whole range of options to sink a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier.

www.19fortyfive.com

If carriers obsolete, why China making them?

 

[beijingwalker]

If carriers obsolete, why China making them?

Carriers are not suitable to fight in Taiwan strait, it's too close to the coast.

 

[Metal 0-1]

5 ways you could have stfu. But you didn't

 

[jhungary]

5 ways you could have stfu. But you didn't

lol.

5 Ways China Could Sink A U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier​

By Brent M. Eastwood
Published Dec. 17 2022

What if the United States lost an aircraft carrier to China in a critical naval battle?

This would be a shot heard around the world and instill panic in the White House, Pentagon, Congress, and the general public.

China has numerous ways it could take out a carrier: using carrier killing missiles, hypersonic missiles, conventional stand-off missiles from airplanes, or torpedoes and cruise missiles from submarines, including a new ship-launched “hybrid missile-torpedo.”

Below, let us explore some of these concepts which also serves as a defacto primer showing how lethal China’s military has become over the last several decades:

DF-21D and DF-26: Let’s Start with the Carrier Killer Ballistic Missiles​

The DF-21D and the DF-26 carrier-killing missiles can hit a moving target from 1,000 to 2,500 miles away.


The DF-26 is a road-mobile solid-fueled intermediate-range ballistic missile.

It is dual-use with conventional and nuclear warheads that can weigh up to 4,000 pounds.


The DF-26 has a range of 2,500 miles which could help China with its anti-access area denial operations against U.S. carriers.

The DF-21D is a dedicated anti-ship missile. It is also solid-fueled and road-mobile. Its range is 1,335 miles. The DF-21D is 36 feet long, weighing 32,407 pounds with a payload of 1,322 pounds.

The Age of the Hypersonic Glide Vehicle Is Here​

The DF-17 missile with its hypersonic glide vehicle could also destroy an aircraft carrier.


China showed this missile off in 2019. The missile can fly from MACH 5 to MACH 10. Its maximum range is over 1,500 miles. It also can carry a nuclear or conventional payload.

Its speed and maneuverability allow it to outfox enemy air defense systems. Military Today described its potency and survivability. “If its initial attack fails, it can even reengage the target. Alternatively, the glide vehicle can descend to a very low altitude just before reaching its target.”

Anti-ship Missile Launches form Bombers​

The Xian H-6K bomber is formidable, and it can carry the YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missile. This missile flies at MACH 3 and can operate with in-air maneuvers.

It can carry nuclear or conventional payloads with a 1,100 pound warhead and multi-stage booster.

Its range after launching from the H-6 bomber is 248 miles.

The YJ-12 is dangerous because this is outside the range of the American ballistic missile defenses for its ships – the Aegis Combat Systems and SM-2 surface-to-air missiles. The Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance says “protection against the YJ-12 is even more difficult due to its cork-screw-like turns which allow it to evade final defenses.”

Submarine Torpedoes and a New Hybrid Missile/ Torpedo Weapon​

China’s Type0938 Shang II-class is arguably China’s best submarine. It can fire the YJ-82 anti-ship missile and the Yu-6 wire-guided torpedo.

The Yu-6 can be compared to the American Mk48, the most advanced torpedo in the navy’s arsenal. Electric torpedoes can also be carried.

Of more significant concern is that China has just tested a hybrid missile-torpedo weapon. This anti-ship weapon begins as a ship-launched ballistic missile that then changes into a torpedo on its terminal phase. The missile flies at MACH 2.5 at 32,000 feet. This phase lasts for 124 miles. Then it swoops down to skim the water before it changes into a torpedo.

Carrier Obsolete? ​

These are indeed some scary ways a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier could be destroyed. All methods are potent. The American AEGIS Combat System is good, but it may not be good enough, especially if the YJ-12 is fired outside its range. That leaves the ships’ Phalanx close-in weapon system as the last ditch effort to destroy these incoming munitions.

Hypersonics are obviously a concern and much tougher to defend against. The DF-21D and DF-26 will keep flat-tops from operating where they want. The Americans will have to focus their anti-submarine efforts to ensure enemy subs do not close enough to fire anti-ship missiles or torpedoes.

The new hybrid missile-torpedo is something that many in the U.S. Navy have probably never pondered and it will take a new effort of detection if it is ever deployed in numbers.

All in all, the Americans will be challenged and may have to stay out of range and depend on its fighters to take the fight to the Chinese before they can launch a strike. Naval intelligence will have its hands full tracking all of these weapons.

5 Ways China Could Sink a U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier

Thanks to billions of dollars spend over decades, China now has a whole range of options to sink a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier.

www.19fortyfive.com

Why needed 5, just send some Chinese to immigrate to the US and have him apply for a job in the Navy then do this

USS Bonhomme Richard fire spread wildly due to ‘repeated failures,’ investigation finds

While the Navy has charged a junior sailor with starting the fire last summer, a command investigation lays blame for the botched response at all levels of command.

www.navytimes.com

This is probably easier than anyone of the 5 you mentioned.

 

[gambit]

Another Dung-Fling missiles thread? How many you guys need to keep up your morale?

 

[Goritoes]

I wonder why only 5 ways ? Why not 6 or 8 ?

 

[tphuang]

If carriers obsolete, why China making them?

they are not obsolete but there needs to be increasingly more advanced escorts to protect them. The best way to protect carriers is actually to not allow them to be found. But unfortunately, China has so many ISR satellites (260 based on the recent DoD report) that they can detect any carrier group in their ports and in westpac. Btw, this is also true with American satellites finding Chinese carriers. Once carrier is detected, you can get a H-6 to launch WZ-8 fly over there quickly to confirm sighting and then put in command to launch your DF-17 or DF-26. Depending on how many escorts there are, you probably have to fire many of them to have a good chance of penetrating defense. But as a whole, accuracy gets worse when you get farther out. It's still not trivial to hit moving ships while they are facing significant countermeasures.

Generally, my contact says that USN carriers are probably safe 1000 nm off from mainland and will try to stay at least 800 nm away. That may not sound like a long distance, but 200 nm significantly reduces the risk from H-6K bombers and reduces the number of DF-17s that can target them. Also keep in mind that its significantly harder to organize ASuW mission with bombers, escorts and tankers (take a few hours even for a competent force like PLAAF). So, there is quite a bit of value in DF-17.

Longer term, the bigger threat facing USN carriers is actually getting hit while they are in the port. It actually takes probably hours for a carrier to be able to get out of the port. If they get spotted in the port and PLARF has a missile that can reach them during war time, it would be quite dangerous for the carrier.

btw, 19fortyfive is a really amateur source. If you want to have a better understand of how an attack mission would work, my contact wrote up a pretty good piece here. Again, there are things that obvious can't be shared, but it's a good read up for better understanding.

Yes. Just not in the way you think.

A CVN is a moving coffin in the same way that clothes are a bendy-stretchy coffin, a car is a rolling coffin, SSNs are underwater coffins, and coffins are very coffin-y coffins. Anything can be a coffin if you die in it. While CVNs do happen to be very sturdily built (you've gotta be, not just to...

rentry.co

 

[beijingwalker]

they are not obsolete but there needs to be increasingly more advanced escorts to protect them. The best way to protect carriers is actually to not allow them to be found. But unfortunately, China has so many ISR satellites (260 based on the recent DoD report) that they can detect any carrier group in their ports and in westpac. Btw, this is also true with American satellites finding Chinese carriers. Once carrier is detected, you can get a H-6 to launch WZ-8 fly over there quickly to confirm sighting and then put in command to launch your DF-17 or DF-26. Depending on how many escorts there are, you probably have to fire many of them to have a good chance of penetrating defense. But as a whole, accuracy gets worse when you get farther out. It's still not trivial to hit moving ships while they are facing significant countermeasures.

Generally, my contact says that USN carriers are probably safe 1000 nm off from mainland and will try to stay at least 800 nm away. That may not sound like a long distance, but 200 nm significantly reduces the risk from H-6K bombers and reduces the number of DF-17s that can target them. Also keep in mind that its significantly harder to organize ASuW mission with bombers, escorts and tankers (take a few hours even for a competent force like PLAAF). So, there is quite a bit of value in DF-17.

Longer term, the bigger threat facing USN carriers is actually getting hit while they are in the port. It actually takes probably hours for a carrier to be able to get out of the port. If they get spotted in the port and PLARF has a missile that can reach them during war time, it would be quite dangerous for the carrier.

btw, 19fortyfive is a really amateur source. If you want to have a better understand of how an attack mission would work, my contact wrote up a pretty good piece here. Again, there are things that obvious can't be shared, but it's a good read up for better understanding.

Yes. Just not in the way you think.

A CVN is a moving coffin in the same way that clothes are a bendy-stretchy coffin, a car is a rolling coffin, SSNs are underwater coffins, and coffins are very coffin-y coffins. Anything can be a coffin if you die in it. While CVNs do happen to be very sturdily built (you've gotta be, not just to...

rentry.co

This is why sending carriers to the narrow Taiwan strait which is within a stone throw to the mainland coast is utterly suicidal.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

5 ways you could have stfu. But you didn't

/thread

 

[Broccoli]

This is why sending carriers to the narrow Taiwan strait which is within a stone throw to the mainland coast is utterly suicidal.

Why would USN send carriers middle of strait? Better to lay heavy minefields and force PLAN move around making their ships easier targets. Americans can easily let China attack and take the first beating before moving themselves.