5 Turkish Weapons of War Russia Should Fear

[zestokryl]

Actually the main idea is to clean the Northen Syria and create safe are for Iranian and Iraqi gas and petrol transportation

Iranian and iraqi gas and petrol transportation, from what starting and ending points in regard of rebel controlled Idlib, and parts of Aleppo ?

Rebel conquests mostly in northern Syria is the development of the widely prepared plans to topple Assad regime and desirably to kill Assad himseld, as they did with Ghadafi. But after the latest events, probability for violent regime removal and Assad assasination are dimishing

Turkey started to transport 800,000 barrel petrol from Northen Kurdistan to Iskenderum port(In Turkey, to deliver it to the oversea market)

Thats sweet, but pipelines are generaly vulnerable. Kurds are politicaly fragmented, which keeps the oportunity for foreign intelligence operations open

In 2 years, Turkey plan to transport Iraqi gas which will be 10 billion cub by 2019

You mean kurdish , or Barzanis clan gas ? Final solution for Syrian and Iraq is still far away. Only upon ISIS is defeated in Iraq and reaching some kind of a deal in Syria, there will be some clarity of ones long term plans are going to get fruited

WHat i want to say is, Turkey also understand that it is very important to push Russia back in Syria

Turkey participated in hosting and supplying rebel gangs inside of Syria from day one, only idiot havent noted that. Kurds reported, turks and ISIS cooperation etc

Turkey also got S.arabia and Qatar(basically their money and connection to Arabs(fighters there) through religion) by their side

Turkey got nothing by itself. Turkish role in syrian carnage is predetermined, by the architects of the whole venture

On the other hand, im not sure if Iran is ready to wait longer(years) to end the Syrian war and to transport their gas to Europe after that

I cant speak in iranian behalf, but they menaged to survive through toughest sanctions, and oil export crippled. Iranians are not idiots not to be aware, any gas export to Europe investment would be a very unreasonable move until the whole turmoil is settled

Russia will increase its air force as much as they can in a short time to be able to turn the war

Russia will do that , but its aware air campaign itself is unsufficient, specially regarding rebel held Idlib

But, Turkey might start to do the safe zone in Syria with the USA. That would change the game and Russia will not be able to influence Arabs by bombing cities. Now they will ned to find each group and try to bomb them. In the ground, it is also well known that Asad forces cant fight well against Tow equipped rebels

This conflict is so complex, no one can forecast the outcome with any value. But I think, Erdogan created so many plans, with Assad gone in mind, hes not going to budge. Only time will show. Only, high probable thing is this is breaking out of global conflict, in 2017-2018 time frame

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

"The piece of land" , i would like to see that you are using such definition for your country's land.
Thats a piece of land for you, not for us. The border is a concern on morality not just in politics. Dont mention again as if its a small piece of land just to clarify act of russia.
Or anyone else knows how many times the russian bomber warned about crossing the border , they could simply respond and asking for maneuvering assistance , we wouldnt hit in case of a respond.

Anyway your country is wholely a small piece of land to me

Bro. Calm down. Pakistanis have nothing against Turks. We love you and your country and you know that too.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Iranian and iraqi gas and petrol transportation, from what starting and ending points in regard of rebel controlled Idlib, and parts of Aleppo ?

Rebel conquests mostly in northern Syria is the development of the widely prepared plans to topple Assad regime and desirably to kill Assad himseld, as they did with Ghadafi. But after the latest events, probability for violent regime removal and Assad assasination are dimishing



Thats sweet, but pipelines are generaly vulnerable. Kurds are politicaly fragmented, which keeps the oportunity for foreign intelligence operations open



You mean kurdish , or Barzanis clan gas ? Final solution for Syrian and Iraq is still far away. Only upon ISIS is defeated in Iraq and reaching some kind of a deal in Syria, there will be some clarity of ones long term plans are going to get fruited



Turkey participated in hosting and supplying rebel gangs inside of Syria from day one, only idiot havent noted that. Kurds reported, turks and ISIS cooperation etc




Turkey got nothing by itself. Turkish role in syrian carnage is predetermined, by the architects of the whole venture




I cant speak in iranian behalf, but they menaged to survive through toughest sanctions, and oil export crippled. Iranians are not idiots not to be aware, any gas export to Europe investment would be a very unreasonable move until the whole turmoil is settled



Russia will do that , but its aware air campaign itself is unsufficient, specially regarding rebel held Idlib



This conflict is so complex, no one can forecast the outcome with any value. But I think, Erdogan created so many plans, with Assad gone in mind, hes not going to budge. Only time will show. Only, high probable thing is this is breaking out of global conflict, in 2017-2018 time frame

I feel now in the Nostradamus and Illuminati stories. Putin the glorious rescuer of the worldI

 

[zestokryl]

Putin the glorious rescuer of the worldI

Putin is no savior, his oligarchic regime is basically rotten in many regards

But the syrian conflict is somethyng he could not had ignored, anymore. Not because he is love with Assad, but because qatari pipeline to Europe through Syria is death for his regime. Matter of survival nothing in common with ideology or spiritual background

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

qatari pipeline to Europe through Syria is death for his regime

Sure . Pls . evidence

 

[zestokryl]

Pls . evidence

Gas exports are one of the main income sources for Russia and Putins greedy elite

With no gas money, Putin would not have been capable of maintaining himself and regime in power. Qatari pipeline on stream is worst nightmare for Kremlin, since its presence would have decrease Gazprom exports in Europe significantly. Thats the reason Putin engaged in Syria. As long Assad is a factor in Syria, qatari pipeline is a no go

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

But Qatar exports LNG and Crude Oil with tankers. Sure that is expensive. Russia should concentrate on Asian market China and India

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

So erdogan say we didn't now it, what the fak have that to do with the fact we shooted a su-24 fighter?

The person who dumb is you, we shooted off guard fighter ahahah.

I never imagined how pakistanis are in love with russians.

Asalam Alikum. I am a new member here, joined recently. I intended to join later but do you know why i joined today? So that i can give reply to your post. No offence to you and other Turkish members but I dislike and highly offended by your last line of comment.

Bro, Pakistan has 200M population. You are on PDF. You will find Pakistanis over here. How can you even think or say that Pakistanis are in love with Russians just because of that you have encountered some anti turk comments from 0.001% of Pakistan or false flaggers (portraying themselves as Pakistanis). We should not do gross generalization. What crime and guilt we majority of Pakistanis have done who are trying to fight for Turkey's narrative in PDF and other international forums. Why you are tarring all Pakistanis with same brush? It saddens us. We can't even think negative about Turkey in our dreams. You do realize how deep rooted this relation b/w you and us is.

Disputes/disagreement occur in family and b/w brothers but how does it means/imply that now one brother shakes hand with outsider against his own family. We never considered Turkey separate from Pakistan. You can't doubt and question Pakistan's loyalty and sincerity to Turkey. Our forefathers were hanged by British because they refused to fight your Forefathers. If need arises, history will repeat itself.

Pakistan will definitely share counter terrorism strategy and all help with Turkey against PKK or any other threat. Right now, people are talking about danger which can create problems for Turkey and it is PKK. We all know war with Russia not likely to happen. Russia may arm PKK to teeth. Pakistan should counter this threat along with turkey and i think Pakistan surely will.

Sorry for my long comment but i just wrote it from my heart
Lets ignore all trolls and haters and enjoy this beautiful song dedicated to Pakistan-Turkey brotherhood.

 

[zestokryl]

But Qatar exports LNG and Crude Oil with tankers. Sure that is expensive. Russia should concentrate on Asian market China and India

Tanker export is no match for a pipeline

Second, chinese are sneaky, with no Europe as a market, they would have drove the price for russia gas to a pathetic level. Germany is much better customer for Gazprom and Russia. They are fair bussines partner, unlike China

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Tanker export is no match for a pipeline

Second, chinese are sneaky, with no Europe as a market, they would have drove the price for russia gas to a pathetic level. Germany is much better customer for Gazprom and Russia. They are fair bussines partner, unlike China

Good to hear. Chinese should note that.
But one fact, Qatar can build a pipeline through Jordan to Israel. Then it can be distributed to Turkey and Italy (Europe). Israel is an EU partner.

 

[zestokryl]

But one fact, Qatar can build a pipeline through Jordan to Israel. Then it can be distributed to Turkey and Italy (Europe). Israel is an EU partner.

Theoretically they can, but there is potential issue, Im convinced they want to avoid

Plan is probably to build pipeline through muslim countries territories only in order, to prevent pipeline being blown off by palestinian or some other insurgency group

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Theoretically they can, but there is potential issue, Im convinced they want to avoid

Plan is probably to build pipeline through muslim countries territories only in order, to prevent pipeline being blown off by palestinian or some other insurgency group

Good idea. Palestinian are Turkish friends, that could also help for Peace between Israel and Palestine.
Jordan is a safe country. Caucasians are the main guards of the King. Tscherkess Russia deported.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Nowadays ex-citizens of Ottomans who seperated and created own countries also don't love Iran and Russia.
If there weren't Jerusalem problem they would have partnership with Israel.

The only Area that wanted seperation from Ottoman Empire was Hejaz and Jordan, the rest were taken over by allied forces and then partitioned.

If the real fire works starts it very disputable, who can hurt who more ....

Azerbeijan is very vulnerable country, due to the small territory, proximity to Iran, and acces to Caspian sea, which is Russia present on

You may think all you like, but if Russia feels going down economically, they go crazy. No NATO, or Azerbeijan with their gas are going to do much good. Since Russia is going to strike everything perceiving as a threat. That goes for Azerbeijan, tukish harbours, NATO bases, everything will end up in flames and destruction

Turkey has a way more powerful naval presence in the Black Sea and mediteranian than Russia, Russia cannot do much damage. Azerbaijan's military force is much more capable now and can possible hold out again a small Russian offensive, Azerbaijan will also be supported by the Mujahideen like before; remember this isnt USSR any more.

 

[proka89]

RUSSIA is a criminal bandit state, they violate all rules from WTO and also Geneva Convention; but they will pay !

Phosphor Bombs used in Syria :

http://strpro1.stargazete.com/file/011220150956251383464.mp4

Geneva convention in war against radical islamists and terrorists. I guess that they are burning people alive in cages, killing and torturing prisoners of war, committing numeros crimes against civilians, such as murder, rape, torture, forced recruitment of children, looting..., than intentional destruction of cultural heritage and holy places of other religions... in accordance with Geneva convention, perhaps?

And let's not forget that NATO and US did similar things in the last few decades. Cluster munition, white phosphorus..... Just put it under collateral damage, and i guess it's ok (sarcasm). Let's face it. There are no rules for powerful countries. They made the rules, and they can if they wish enforce those rules on weaker countries. But no one can force them to comply with anything.

 

[Oksoko]

Latest news> NATO is sending support unit to Mediterranean,Turkiye in case of any conflict.

"United States has moved special fighter jets designed to intercept bombers and reconnaissance aircraft to the Turkish NATO air base Incirlik, while Britain has said it will also send jets to the region once NATO's decision is formalised.

Germany and Denmark are sending ships to the NATO fleet in the eastern Mediterranean. NATO could also send its surveillance planes, called Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), that can be used to direct air fights too.

NATO allies act to strengthen Turkey's defences| Reuters