4500-year-old DNA from Rakhigarhi reveals evidence that will unsettle Hindutva nationalists

[Mamluk]

US and Canada are surely two different countries but their nationals have way more commonalities than differences. Thats roughly the situation between India and Pakistan. Infact thats what roughly Jinnah even wanted.

Even two districts in Kerala would have more cultural and linguistic differences than that between US and Canada. Bad analogy.

 

[Shamsher1990]

Russians don't see non-Russians in the conquered land as same nation.



He united same ethnic group speaking same language.

Have you ever heard a Kansai japanese, an Okinawian Japanese, a Kanto Japanese or a Hokkaido native speak? Their speech is only superficially same. Heck Kanto vs Kansai is a very real feud in Japan.

BTW, if you look from the right direction, each nation has these fractures or cleaving points. US north vs south, China East West and Tibetian divide, Japan Kanto vs Kansai and India has multiple regionalistic divides.

Even two districts in Kerala would have more cultural and linguistic differences than that between US and Canada. Bad analogy.

Naah, there are quite a few linguistic differences between a Quebec native, a Newfie, a Californian and a New Yorker. That said their similarities outweigh their differences. Same is with Indian (North atleast) and Pakistani.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Looks like you finally understand there is more to race than skin color. Although the first picture of Lahore is how most Indians look
Pune, Maharashtra

Rajkot, South Gujarat

Anyway @Indus Pakistan, @UnitedPak, it has been a pleasure debating with you, but it is getting late and I have a long road trip tomorrow. So ciao.

 

[Rusty]

That is a bit too broad as that would include Bengalis, Assamese, and Odias, who I would not consider North Indians. Sinhalese and Maldivian are also Indo-Aryan languages, are Lankans and Maldivians north Indian?


I agree. Although because most Indians are hindu, Indians in Tamil Nadu and Punjab do have cultural similarities that tie them together. I think the biggest differences between India and Pakistan are geography and religion, All others stem from those main differences. At the end of the day, the 2NT as envisioned by Jinnah was based on religion not ethnicity.

But that is off topic. Today, Indians and Pakistanis are two different people. It pisses me off when someone of either nationalities says we are the same. If that were true, why did we separate? With that being said we have to be objective. There are definitely more similarities than some here want to admit.

I would consider all the people who are in physical north India and who speak an Indo European language to be "Northern Indian." Including Bengali and excluding Sinhalese.

Now, culturally maybe we are talking about "north west Indians" when we say "North Indians"

 

[Cobra Arbok]

I would consider all the people who are in physical north India and who speak an Indo European language to be "Northern Indian." Including Bengali and excluding Sinhalese.

Now, culturally maybe we are talking about "north west Indians" when we say "North Indians"

I may be nitpicking, but I consider Bengal and Odisha East India and Assam North India. Overall North is too vague, and I think North India can be broken up into North central(UP, Bihar, Uttarakhand) and Northwest(Punjab, Haryana, HP, JaK). The difference between Bengal or Odisha and UP is like night and day, as is Bihar and Punjab.

 

[halupridol]

I may be nitpicking, but I consider Bengal and Odisha East India and Assam North India. Overall North is too vague, and I think North India can be broken up into North central(UP, Bihar, Uttarakhand) and Northwest(Punjab, Haryana, HP, JaK). The difference between Bengal or Odisha and UP is like night and day, as is Bihar and Punjab.

We assamese r north Indians,,seriously.
Ok here is my take,,,from banks of indus to banks of ganga,,all r tribes of bhayya people,,period.there r lots of subtribes within thm with spillovers here n thr.bhayyaland lies between these 2 rivers,marked above by himalayas n below by the vindhya range.
Below tht is madrasi homeland
@manlion
N we have our chinkiland in northeast.
very simple very easy

 

[Mamluk]

Have you ever heard a Kansai japanese, an Okinawian Japanese, a Kanto Japanese or a Hokkaido native speak? Their speech is only superficially same. Heck Kanto vs Kansai is a very real feud in Japan.

These are dialects of same language.

Naah, there are quite a few linguistic differences between a Quebec native, a Newfie, a Californian and a New Yorker. That said their similarities outweigh their differences. Same is with Indian (North atleast) and Pakistani.

No, same is not the case.

10 miles in old world (Europe,Asia,Africa) is more culturally and linguistically diverse than 1000+ miles in new world.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

A lot of those people do look different to the people in @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan 's pictures.



I can't tell if you're joking or this forum's first open homosexual...

just messing with you man.

We assamese r north Indians,,seriously.
Ok here is my take,,,from banks of indus to banks of ganga,,all r tribes of bhayya people,,period.there r lots of subtribes within thm with spillovers here n thr.bhayyaland lies between these 2 rivers,marked above by himalayas n below by the vindhya range.
Below tht is madrasi homeland
@manlion
N we have our chinkiland in northeast.
very simple very easy

oops sorry i meant northeast india. Yes Assam is in ne india

 

[Shamsher1990]

These are dialects of same language.

Its same in Kerala. 96% Speak Malyalam. I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that two districts have different languages altogether.

No, same is not the case.

10 miles in old world (Europe,Asia,Africa) is more culturally and linguistically diverse than 1000+ miles in new world.

Try visiting Quebec sometimes. You will know how different it is than rest of Canada.
Hint : They don't speak english there.

 

[Mamluk]

how you arrived at the conclusion that two districts have different languages altogether.

Are you blind?

Try visiting Quebec sometimes. You will know how different it is than rest of Canada.
Hint : They don't speak english there.

I lived in Quebec.

BC to Ontario (5 hrs flight) is same language. Manipur to Nagaland different (less than half hrs flight). People will laugh at your analogy. Stick to comparing old world with old world, not new world.

 

[Shamsher1990]

Are you blind?

I am talking about this one. How you arrived at this conclusion?

Even two districts in Kerala would have more cultural and linguistic differences than that between US and Canada. Bad analogy.

BC to Ontario (5 hrs flight) is same language. Manipur to Nagaland different (less than half hrs flight). People will laugh at your analogy. Stick to comparing old world with old world, not new world.

You forgot that Canada is extremely sparsely populated so distance is wrong metric. Total population of Canada is just 36 million or so.

Anyways, my point was that North Indians and Pakistani share way too many similarity than difference akin to US and Canada.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Anyways, my point was that North Indians and Pakistani share way too many similarity than difference akin to US and Canada.

That’s Indian belief. We don’t share that belief at all.

If any Pakistani said it, he would have to use mouthwash to get those filthy words out of his mouth.

You guys are deluded.

Typical Pakistani look

Typical Indian look

Obviously two very different races of human beings.

 

[LASER1]

Typical Pakistani look

Never knew you guys radiated light. Bleach or latte? Which editor is it?

 

[UnitedPak]

You do know that IVC "ASI" do not have R1a haplo-group unlike modern day Pakistani. From the research it seems IVC inhabitants were ancestors of modern day dravidians.

Wow... How on earth do you manage to connect these two statements? It will always amaze me how Indians seem to think heritage works.

We are well aware of the steppe contributions to Pakistan, but this does not magically make Dravidians the inheritors of the IVC when the "ASI" populations were already spread out in Asia... unless you are thinking the IVC "ASI" had to flee to South India en masse, which the US study never suggested.