3 more OHP class Frigates to be delivered to Pakistan between 2014-2016.

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The 3 Ship would be great addition in general but it has be given with no attachment , as a acknowledgement of Pakistan's role in positive move against terrorism

No string attached deal = DEAL

The three ships would help balance the mismatch in Naval Forces , OHP is still fairly useful ship for 10-15 years

 

[Pakistanisage]

These three Frigates are 30 years old ( Built in 1983 ). USS KLAKRING was decommissioned in March of 2013 and the other two will be decommissioned in April/May of 2014.

 

[Penguin]

Read the fine print !!!

On condition of releasing Traitor Doctor Afridi

Reads the subsequent fine print: President may way the certification requirement (which includes the above) in the national interest.

I wonder how that will go down with the Pakistani public. Good luck getting all that certified in the Congress.

BUilt in escape clause: President may waive certification in the US national security interest.

Considering they are the US Naval frontline frigate for time to come, yes they are worth it, but only when upgraded with proper systems.

They are about 4000 tons, so lots of room to upgrade.

Actually, there is very limited 'spare' tonnage (lt 50) in the design. So, you have to take stuff off to put other stuff on. There is only a small margin for added capability/weight

 

[Penguin]

Well $65 million seems a bit expensive considering these are 35+ years old ships. Also we got an 16000 tons second hand US navy' LPD in around $48 million. Anyway congrats if deal is signed.
PS: If delivered then how many years will it serve PN?

It cost about $19m a year to run a Type 22 Batch 3. FAS put the annual cost of operating a Perry at about the same figure ($16m year). That $65m includes a ships overhaul before delivery (putting her at ´zero mileage´), crew training, logistics and maintenance support package. S`not a bad deal. THe LPD referred to above was a older: commissioned 1971. McInerney commissioned 1979 , Uss Klakring commissioned 1983, go figure. Also Trenton is a steamship, FFG7 ships are gasturbine powered.
FFG7s when delivered should last another 10-15 years.

Because only 65M was spent upgrading it. Anti-sub capabilities specifically

65 was spent including rerurbishment and overhaul. ONly VERY minimal upgrading

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well certainly something to be excited about but , the delivery time is 2014-2016 would have been nicer had we received these a bit sooner perhaps Mid 2014

 

[Roybot]

You missed the part where the President is authorized to waive any of these Certifications....

Nah I read it, but why exactly would the president be inclined to waive off any certifications? Obama isn't exactly Pakistan-friendly is he? I don't see any reason why his concerns would be any different from the concerns raised by the Congress.

This deal would only go through if and when Pakistan agrees to the US demands.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Another thread selling unfulfilled dreams. Pakistanis here want to kick out US of Afghanistan while expecting that US president will give them the Frigates.

 

[PoKeMon]

what about 20 30 years old Aircraft Carrier now vikramdtya ?

What is old in Vicky apart from 50% hull?

not only this what abut pride of IN INS Viraat launched 16 February 1953??????????

60 years, 9 months, 22 days today and will be active till 2020 transferred to India in 1987 when it was 34 years, 17 days old

That time even that carrier was a potent power considering no other force in south asia operate any carrier.

Can you say the same about 35 yr old frigate Imran sahab?

 

[rockstar08]

It's a total waste of money to buy these ships.
Instead PN should go for new upgraded F 22Ps.

i agree ... its way too better to ask china to build 1-2 upgraded F-22p and 1-2 in pakistan so till 2015-2016 we can have 7-8 F-22p's

 

[jhungary]

For such a ''small'' coast,you want alot of ships.
The operating costs of such a fleet would be a big burden.

The coast is small but the ships is necessary

Do remember Pakistani coast and the Chinese coast does not connect, it route through Indian Coast, if you stay at 8 frigate, theen you will probably got wip out in 24 hours at sea, which will be a lot harder for the Chinese to salvage the situation..

 

[jhungary]

@Neptune @jhungary

The issue is 'money', otherwise TF-2000 and Type-54B (56?) are too good of options to miss.

We don't have much of a choice, we just have to make the best of what we have or what we can get while not blowing our tiny budget.

Yeah, $$ is alway a problem, hence I said acquire some more OHP is a good choice for PN

You need to know OHP with 8 cell Mk41 VLS is a very potent anti-air platform, if PN do acquire the Aussie OHP, then you can put SM2MR on OHP, which is one of the best SAM in the world

Chinese frigate is generally anti-ship orientated
While PN do not have a 2-D platform in service, then you need to use 2 different type of Frigate for Hi-Lo combination

If you uses JF-17 and P-3C matched with F22P, it will only achieve a 2 Dimension defense, you still lack a dedicated AA platform to cover what your JF-17 missed, see, JF-17 is a point to point Air Defence, they can only shoot down enemy near them, when you have multiple enemy approach from different Angel and direction, each Sq. of JF-17 can only take one 1 Sqn of enemy, you need an air control platform to pick up and attack enemy air in a given AO, which PN currently lacking this ability

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

The 3 Ship would be great addition in general but it has be given with no attachment , as a acknowledgement of Pakistan's role in positive move against terrorism

No string attached deal = DEAL



The three ships would help balance the mismatch in Naval Forces , OHP is still fairly useful ship for 10-15 years

I would disagree.
OHPs are totally useless for any use by the PN.
They will be a burden on our navy and will be have no role, just like the Brooke's & Garcia's the PN operated in the 90's.

 

[rockstar08]

The 3 Ship would be great addition in general but it has be given with no attachment , as a acknowledgement of Pakistan's role in positive move against terrorism

No string attached deal = DEAL

The three ships would help balance the mismatch in Naval Forces , OHP is still fairly useful ship for 10-15 years

can you tell me that why this ship will be useful for us ? ? what kind of SAMs systems it has ? we need guided missile destroyer at least 2 before 2016

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

can you tell me that why this ship will be useful for us ? ? what kind of SAMs systems it has ? we need guided missile destroyer at least 2 before 2016

They have "NIL" weapons systems...............

 

[rockstar08]

They have "NIL" weapons systems...............

than why not give them to our fishers ?