3 Israeli soldiers shot dead in Ramallah.

[Falcon29]

Make anti-Jewish comments again, you face a ban.
@Falcon29 is Palestinian yet I don't see him writing "Jewish filth" and other dirt.
Refrain or don't post.

Agreed, make constructive comments or don't post at all. And try to control frustrations in a better manner.

 

[waz]

Agreed, make constructive comments or don't post at all. And try to control frustrations in a better manner.

Thanks bro.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

what a stupid act now F-16s will wipe out some 300 homes with 500 killings . why Islamists start wars which they can not defend ?

bunch of idiots who either dont care or cant comprehend the results of their actions.
Israelis will do exactly what you predict. least is that they will blow up/ bulldoze the homes of many Palestinians who have been associated with these guys

 

[Falcon29]

bunch of idiots who either dont care or cant comprehend the results of their actions.
Israelis will do exactly what you predict. least is that they will blow up/ bulldoze the homes of many Palestinians who have been associated with these guys

Your mentality is very strange:

1.) The guy who targeted the Israeli soldiers is a 50 year old plus man who is not affiliated with any political factions nor an 'Islamist'

2.) This occurred in the Palestinian city of Ramallah, IDF forces invaded the area

3.) Situation will not get any worse in the West Bank than it already is. Israel forcefully expands its settlement construction on a weekly basis irregardless of situation on the ground

4.) I don't think Netanyahu will be foolish to escalate the situation in the West Bank and lose control of the situation there. He should either grant citizenship+rights to the Palestinians there or allow them to govern themselves.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Well, Duh, they are dressed in civilian clothes because they are civilians in the first place moron.

They're civilians with AK-47s gunning down soldiers, makes sense.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Source? Bring us the documents you are talking about. I am positive that is referring to regular war between two nations. Such as Russian soldiers in Ukraine posing as civilians and does not apply to occupation scenario. Also likely applies to an national army. There is no Palestinian army in the West Bank or armed factions. They are ordinary individuals. So I already know your premise is flawed and likely not true. Not that I care though, troll. This is a regional news development and not a discussion about 'war crimes' and this troll behavior you exhibit far too often in many threads.

I suggest you read https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/appl...t&documentId=3EA868BE16BCBB86C12563CD0051DB0B

You are not allowed to attack military targets while dressed as a civilian.
That includes carrying a concealed gun, which you pull and fire when close to a soldier.
It includes entering a civilian bus containing soldiers on leave, blowing youself up while dressed in civilian clothes.
Backstabbing a soldier after he passes you in the street.
All highly illegal.

You should normally wear a military uniform, or at least wear a band on the arm, or similar.
When doing the latter, you must be part of a group with a clear military organisation.
An individual which spontaneously takes on an armband and kills a soldier is also a criminal.
If civilians want to form a resistance movement, they have to organize themselves and elect a leader, otherwise - war crimes.

Basically any time when you use the protection the Geneva Convention gives to civilians as a way to get an advantage in attack, there is most likely a clause making you a war criminal.

Well, Duh, they are dressed in civilian clothes because they are civilians in the first place moron.

As long as they are civilians, any attack on soldiers is a war crime.
Civilians are NOT allowed to participate in war.
Civilians must first change status to a combatant, after that they are allowed to attack their enemy.

 

[Falcon29]

I suggest you read https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/appl...t&documentId=3EA868BE16BCBB86C12563CD0051DB0B

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You are not allowed to attack military targets while dressed as a civilian.
That includes carrying a concealed gun, which you pull and fire when close to a soldier.
It includes entering a civilian bus containing soldiers on leave, blowing youself up while dressed in civilian clothes.
Backstabbing a soldier after he passes you in the street.
All highly illegal.

You should normally wear a military uniform, or at least wear a band on the arm, or similar.
When doing the latter, you must be part of a group with a clear military organisation.
An individual which spontaneously takes on an armband and kills a soldier is also a criminal.
If civilians want to form a resistance movement, they have to organize themselves and elect a leader, otherwise - war crimes.

Basically any time when you use the protection the Geneva Convention gives to civilians as a way to get an advantage in attack, there is most likely a clause making you a war criminal.


As long as they are civilians, any attack on soldiers is a war crime.
Civilians are NOT allowed to participate in war.
Civilians must first change status to a combatant, after that they are allowed to attack their enemy.

No offense dude but no one cares about this stuff. We're just following current events, and it is lawful to target Israeli soldiers in the West Bank. You seem to be trying to argue it is lawful but also a war crime. There is no international armed conflict in the West Bank, there is no Palestinian military. Those rules of war cannot be applied to the West Bank. And rather applied to military bodies, of which there are none in the West Bank.

International Law does not address civilian resistance to occupation. What you are citing is referring to traditional state of war between two nations.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

No offense dude but no one cares about this stuff. We're just following current events, and it is lawful to target Israeli soldiers in the West Bank. You seem to be trying to argue it is lawful but also a war crime. There is no international armed conflict in the West Bank, there is no Palestinian military. Those rules of war cannot be applied to the West Bank. And rather applied to military bodies, of which there are none in the West Bank.

It is well known that Palestinians treat their responsibilities under the Geneva Conventions by contempt, but expect to be fully protected...

The Geneva convention is not restricted to International armed conflicts.
It is applicable to the West Bank, since the Palestinian Authority has signed the Geneva Convention in 2014.
It is lawful for Palestinian combatants to fight Israeli soldiers.
It is unlawful for Palestinian civilians to fight Israeli soldiers.
A civilian can become a combatant by following certain procedures described in the convention,
but if he does not do that, he becomes a criminal.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Sad, may they rest in peace.

 

[Falcon29]

The Geneva convention is not restricted to International armed conflicts.
It is applicable to the West Bank, since the Palestinian Authority has signed the Geneva Convention in 2014.
It is lawful for Palestinian combatants to fight Israeli soldiers.
It is unlawful for Palestinian civilians to fight Israeli soldiers.
A civilian can become a combatant by following certain procedures described in the convention,
but if he does not do that, he becomes a criminal.

You are misunderstanding the text you posted. There is nothing in international law addressing civilian resistance to occupation.

The only one who brought Geneva conventions in this thread is you, and not Palestinians. If you would like to put forth a position of yours you can create a separate thread for it.

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Our resident lawyer 'Richelieu' :

 

[The SC]

Usraeli special forces soldiers infiltrated Gaza in civilian clothes and killed a Hamas leader.. not once or twice, this is a well known tactic used by Usrael.. this is for anyone talking about the Geneva convention..

 

[Falcon29]

Usraeli special forces soldiers infiltrated Gaza in civilian clothes and killed a Hamas leader.. not once or twice, this is a well known tactic used by Usrael.. this is for anyone talking about the Geneva convention..

And undercover soldiers in the West Bank used to arrest Palestinian demonstrators:

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Musta'ribeen, Israel's agents who pose as Palestinians

They are dressed like Palestinian protesters, speak with the same accents and expressions, and show the same mannerisms. Their faces covered with checkered keffiyehs or balaclavas, they chant against the Israeli army and sometimes throw stones in the direction of the soldiers, all while drawing in other protesters as they get closer and closer to the army

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/musta-israel-agents-pose-palestinians-171218061118857.html

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

If you want to see peace , you need to be able to condemn wrongful acts on both sides :

Agreed.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

You are misunderstanding the text you posted. There is nothing in international law addressing civilian resistance to occupation.

The only one who brought Geneva conventions in this thread is you, and not Palestinians. If you would like to put forth a position of yours you can create a separate thread for it.

You invited the discussion with your claims that Palestinian war crimes are legal.
Resistance to occupation is definitely covered by the Geneva Conventions,
which You obviously has not read.

I do not recommend You read it because it would do permanent damage to your opinion of yourself.

 

[Chimgathar]

Someone said "Those who live by the gun die by the gun" period.