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After seeing an article about Iran's lifeline after oil sanctions on oilprice.com, it only took 3 days for the Zionist bastards in the U.S. to slap sanctions on the petrochemical industry. Let this be lesson to Iran to start coordinating with its industrial leaders to shut up during these times.

Irans Petrochemical industry was always on their radar Kastor, they're pulling all the punches now to get Iran to yield. We are fast approaching the 'endgame'.
 
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I dunno Blue, I think the zionists and a bunch of other intelligence depts are reading this forum and other articles and coming up with ideas. I've seen a few incidents like this before, I don't think it's coincidence.

Fair enough lol, I mean maybe that could be the case but I would sincerely like to believe that intelligence agencies of other nations use more....'credible' sources of aggregate information to base their respective policy decisions on. It's not as if Irans economy is a complete mystery to them (it can't be, logically speaking).

Apologies if my first message came off as assertive. Didn't mean any ill will XD
 
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Fair enough lol, I mean maybe that could be the case but I would sincerely like to believe that intelligence agencies of other nations use more....'credible' sources of aggregate information to base their respective policy decisions on. It's not as if Irans economy is a complete mystery to them (it can't be, logically speaking).

Apologies if my first message came off as assertive. Didn't mean any ill will XD
Yes, maybe some intelligence agencies, but you'd be surprised to know how many of them monitor chat rooms and forums and try to glean for info. I can't tell you how many times I read that Al Qaeda or ISIS threat is going up due to chatter on some Jihadi websites. If anything, they've already looked us up and know who we are..lol. Remember when 9/11 happened....the lawmakers in washington found out about it hours into it due to CNN....so don't give these guys too much credit. Especially the Israelis, those f*ckers are really paranoid and all over the web. About 3 months ago, I wrote some comments about Israel on a BDS facebook page...a few days later, all of these hot chicks wanted to friend me...lol. I knew, they were fake profiles....bastards trying to infiltrate. :)
NSA and CIA already have backdoors into our computers, I'm sure, but these other foreign agencies most likely have to resort to you clicking on a file or picture to get into your system.

PS: you have to ask how good can your intelligence agencies be if some 2nd rate piss ant country like Israel is running your entire foreign policy and steering about 70% of your elected officials, on top of making you pay them 5 Billion Dollars a year for the privilege of them pissing all over you......LMAO
 
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After seeing an article about Iran's lifeline after oil sanctions on oilprice.com, it only took 3 days for the Zionist bastards in the U.S. to slap sanctions on the petrochemical industry. Let this be lesson to Iran to start coordinating with its industrial leaders to shut up during these times.
Well. at least someone in our government is reading this forum.....I'm happy to hear it has an effect, we make it too easy for our enemies sometimes.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-blasts-state-tv-program-for-pulling-lid-off-secret-oil-sales/
 
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NOw US is asking for a meeting with Iran and Iran doesnt need it. Game don changed!
STRAIT OF HORMUZ
JUNE 5, 2019
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Iranian soldiers take part in National Persian Gulf Day in the Strait of Hormuz on April 30, 2019. There is concern about a blockade of the Strait and the disastrous impact that could have on the price of oil and world financial markets. Photo: AFP / Atta Kenare

Why Trump now wants talks with Iran
If Tehran blocks the Strait of Hormuz it could send the price of oil soaring and cause a global recession

ByPEPE ESCOBAR

Unlike Deep Purple’s legendary ‘Smoke on the Water’ – “We all came out to Montreux, on the Lake Geneva shoreline”, the 67th Bilderberg group meetings produced no fire and no smoke at the luxurious Fairmont Le Montreux Palace Hotel.

The 130 elite guests had a jolly good – and theoretically quiet – time at the self-billed “informal discussion forum concerning major issues”. As usual, at least two-thirds were European decision-makers, with the rest coming from North America.

The fact that a few major players in this Atlanticist Valhalla are closely associated with or directly interfering with the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) in Basel – the central bank of central banks – is of course just a minor detail.

The major issue discussed this year was “A Stable Strategic Order”, a lofty endeavor that can be interpreted either as the making of a New World Order or just a benign effort by selfless elites to guide mankind to enlightenment.

Other items of discussion were way more pragmatic – from “The Future of Capitalism”, to “Russia”, “China”, “Weaponizing Social Media”, “Brexit”, “What’s Next for Europe”, “Ethics of Artificial Intelligence” and last but not least, “Climate Change”.

Disciples of Antisthenes would argue that these items constitute precisely the nuts and bolts of the New World Order.

The chairman of Bilderberg’s steering committee, since 2012, is Henri de Castries, former CEO of AXA and the director of the Institut Montaigne, a top French think tank.

One of the key guests this year was Clement Beaune, the European and G20 counselor to French President Emmanuel Macron.

Bilderberg prides itself for enforcing the Chatham House Rule, according to which participants are free to use all the precious information they wish because those who attend these meetings are bound to not disclose the source of any sensitive information or what exactly was said.

That helps ensure Bilderberg’s legendary secrecy – the reason for myriad conspiracy theories. But that does not mean that the odd secret may not be revealed.

The Castries/Beaune axis provides us with the first open secret of 2019. It was Castries at the Institut Montaigne who “invented” Macron – that perfect lab experiment of a mergers and acquisitions banker serving the establishment by posing as a progressive.

A Bilderberg source discreetly let it be known that the result of the recent European parliamentary elections was interpreted as a victory. After all, the final choice was between a neoliberal/Green alliance and Right populism; nothing to do with progressive values.

The Greens who won in Europe – contrary to the US Greens – are all humanitarian imperialists, to quote the splendid neologism coined by Belgian physicist Jean Bricmont. And they all pray on the politically correct altar. What matters, from Bilderberg’s perspective, is that the European Parliament will continue to be run by a pseudo-Left that keeps defending the destruction of the nation-state.

Just like Castries and his pupil Macron.

The derivatives clock is ticking
The great Bilderberg secret of 2019 had to do with why, suddenly, the Trump administration has decided that it wants to talk to Iran “with no preconditions”.

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It all has to do with the Strait of Hormuz. Blocking the Strait could cut off oil and gas from Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and Iran – 20% of the world’s oil. There has been some debate on whether this could occur – whether the US Fifth Fleet, which is stationed nearby, could stop Tehran doing this and if Iran, which has anti-ship missiles on its territory along the northern border of the Persian Gulf, would go that far.

An American source said a series of studies hit President Trump’s desk and caused panic in Washington. These showed that in the case of the Strait of Hormuz being shut down, whatever the reason, Iran has the power to hammer the world financial system, by causing global trade in derivatives to be blown apart.

The Bank for International Settlements said last year that the “notional amount outstanding for derivatives contracts” was $542 trillion, although the gross market value was put at just $12.7 trillion. Others suggest it is $1.2 quadrillion or more.

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An Iranian Navy warship is seen in the Strait of Hormuz on April 30, amid talk that Tehran may block the Strait if relations with the US plunge further. Photo: AFP / Atta Kenare
Tehran has not voiced this “nuclear option” openly. And yet General Qasem Soleimani, head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps’ Quds Force and a Pentagon bête noire, evoked it in internal Iranian discussions. The information was duly circulated to France, Britain and Germany, the EU-3 members of the Iran nuclear deal (or Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action), also causing a panic.

Oil derivative specialists know well that if the flow of energy in the Gulf is blocked it could lead to the price of oil reaching $200 a barrel, or much higher over an extended period. Crashing the derivatives market would create an unprecedented global depression. Trump’s former Goldman Sachs Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin should know as much.

And Trump himself seems to have given the game away. He’s now on the record essentially saying that Iran has no strategic value to the US. According to the American source: “He really wants a face-saving way to get out of the problem his advisers Bolton and Pompeo got him into. Washington now needs a face-saving way out. Iran is not asking for meetings. The US is.”

And that brings us to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s long, non-scheduled stop in Switzerland, on the Bilderberg’s fringes, just because he’s a “big cheese and chocolate fan”, in his own words.

Yet any well-informed cuckoo clock would register he badly needed to assuage the fears of the trans-Atlantic elites, apart from his behind-closed-doors meetings with the Swiss, who are representing Iran in communications with Washington. After weeks of ominous threats to Iran, the US said “no preconditions” would be set on talks with Tehran, and this was issued from Swiss soil.

China draws its lines in the sand
Bilderberg could not escape discussing China. Geo-poetic justice rules that virtually at the same time, China was delivering a powerful message – to East and West – at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore.

The Shangri-La dialogue is Asia’s top annual security forum, and unlike Bilderberg, held like clockwork at the same hotel in Singapore’s Orchard Road. As much as Bilderberg, Shangri-La discusses “relevant security issues”.

A case can be made that Bilderberg frames the discussions as in the recent cover story of a French weekly, owned by a Macron-friendly oligarch, titled “When Europe Ruled the World”. Shangri-La instead discusses the near future – when China may be actually ruling the world.

Beijing sent a top-of-the-line delegation to this year’s forum, led by Defense Minister General Wei Fenghe. And on Sunday, General Wei laid down China’s unmistakable red lines; a stern warning to “external forces” dreaming of independence for Taiwan, and the “legitimate right” for Beijing to expand man-made islands in the South China Sea.

By then everyone had forgotten what Acting US Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan had said the day before, accusing Huawei to be too close to Beijing and posing a security risk to the “international community”.

General Wei also found time to rip Shanahan to shreds. “Huawei is a private company, not a military company… Just because the head of Huawei used to serve in the army, does not mean his company is a part of the military. That doesn’t make sense.”

Shangri-La is at least transparent. As for Bilderberg, there won’t be any leaks on what the Masters of the Universe told Western elites about the profitability of pursuing the war on terror; the drive toward total digitalization of cash; total rule of genetically modified organisms; and how climate change will be weaponized.

At least the Pentagon has made no secret, even before Shangri-La, that Russia and China must be contained at all costs – and the European vassals must toe the line.

Henry Kissinger was a 2019 Bilderberg participant. Rumors that he spent all his time breathlessly plugging his “reverse Nixon” – seduce Russia to contain China – may be vastly overstated.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/06/article/why-trump-now-wants-talks-with-iran/

Wow...we learn new things everyday.
 
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If Iran is giving oil to pay for the investment field how does that help Iran? It is not collecting revenue from the oil sale then. Merely repaying a debt.

Unless Iran is able to send a significant amount of oil to China and reach 2MBPD then Iran literally sacrificed its nuclear program to end up being where it was under Obama sanctions if not worse.
 
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If Iran is giving oil to pay for the investment field how does that help Iran? It is not collecting revenue from the oil sale then. Merely repaying a debt.

Unless Iran is able to send a significant amount of oil to China and reach 2MBPD then Iran literally sacrificed its nuclear program to end up being where it was under Obama sanctions if not worse.

better to live free then under US occupation like Palestine and Iraq
 
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If Iran is giving oil to pay for the investment field how does that help Iran? It is not collecting revenue from the oil sale then. Merely repaying a debt.

Unless Iran is able to send a significant amount of oil to China and reach 2MBPD then Iran literally sacrificed its nuclear program to end up being where it was under Obama sanctions if not worse.
I think this is only an excuse or face saving measure for US. They first said they are not going to consider any waivers. But China rejected that and said they are not going to allow their energy security to be threatened and recently imported oil from Iran.

On the other hand, I heard Macron is planning to visit Tehran. Rumors have it that he is brining some concessions from US side to convince Iran not to exceed the 20% enrichment threshold.

When you put all that together, I think this waiver is going to be good for Iran to also sell its oil for profit.
 
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I think this is only an excuse or face saving measure for US. They first said they are not going to consider any waivers. But China rejected that and said they are not going to allow their energy security to be threatened and recently imported oil from Iran.

On the other hand, I heard Macron is planning to visit Tehran. Rumors have it that he is brining some concessions from US side to convince Iran not to exceed the 20% enrichment threshold.

When you put all that together, I think this waiver is going to be good for Iran to also sell its oil for profit.
Is that true? If so, this is a big deal, I hope they think about an endgame instead of just mindless resistance.
 
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I think this is only an excuse or face saving measure for US. They first said they are not going to consider any waivers. But China rejected that and said they are not going to allow their energy security to be threatened and recently imported oil from Iran.

On the other hand, I heard Macron is planning to visit Tehran. Rumors have it that he is brining some concessions from US side to convince Iran not to exceed the 20% enrichment threshold.

When you put all that together, I think this waiver is going to be good for Iran to also sell its oil for profit.

I see no news of Macron visiting Iran.

This is a CONCESSION to China NOT Iran. If Iran doesn’t get hard currency then US doesn’t care. US is trying to prevent Iran from getting hard currency from oil purchases. Iran paying off debt still leaves in same position it was in prior no hard currency to support the government.

It is important to differentiate oil SALES from oil PURCHASES, oil sales can mean paying off debt or bartering. Oil purchases means hard currency exchange. US cares about the latter.
 
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My observation: Iran began to dig its own grave by getting involved in Syria and Yemen respectively. Syria most notably.

Millions of people have lost their homes and means of livelihood in Syria alone. When you burn homes of others, expect your own to burn at some point.

Pakistan refused to partake in Yemen and other theaters, thankfully.
Syria is a lifeline for Hezbollah , the only anti Israeli Arab resistance . If Syria falls to ISIS that means falls to Israel . In that scenario , Hezbollah will be helpless and will be rapidly invaded by Israel . I also don't like Basher but there is no other option in Syria . Definitely Basher is not good but here Pro Israeli axis of UAE and KSA make Syria a hell .
 
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I see no news of Macron visiting Iran.

This is a CONCESSION to China NOT Iran. If Iran doesn’t get hard currency then US doesn’t care. US is trying to prevent Iran from getting hard currency from oil purchases. Iran paying off debt still leaves in same position it was in prior no hard currency to support the government.

It is important to differentiate oil SALES from oil PURCHASES, oil sales can mean paying off debt or bartering. Oil purchases means hard currency exchange. US cares about the latter.
Well the only way Iran can earn hard currency is through US removing the sanctions. Because US has sanctioned all transactions with Iran, not only those that use USD.
Even INSTEX is based on bartering to avoid the sanctions and make it hard for US to track the transactions.
So as far as that goes, I don't see any problem with bartering. It means Iran can still import the goods it wants and US cannot increase the economic pressure anymore. That is why Iran needs the cash in the first place.
The waiver may be a concession to China but it benefits Iran as well. No body is counting how much debt there is and those barrels of oil are sold for. It may be to pay debt or it may be to buy goods.
Whatever it is, it is positive as US has not been able to reduce Iran's oil exports to zero.
 
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Well the only way Iran can earn hard currency is through US removing the sanctions. Because US has sanctioned all transactions with Iran, not only those that use USD.
Even INSTEX is based on bartering to avoid the sanctions and make it hard for US to track the transactions.
So as far as that goes, I don't see any problem with bartering. It means Iran can still import the goods it wants and US cannot increase the economic pressure anymore. That is why Iran needs the cash in the first place.
The waiver may be a concession to China but it benefits Iran as well. No body is counting how much debt there is and those barrels of oil are sold for. It may be to pay debt or it may be to buy goods.
Whatever it is, it is positive as US has not been able to reduce Iran's oil exports to zero.

Iran needs to sell oil to cover its budget. Iran is not complaining of oil embargo because it cannot buy medicine, food, etc. While that has become more difficult, it is not the reason why Iran is acting out.

Iran needs hard currency to support its budget and government operations. INSTEX is a joke with a several million dollar euro credit line.

Before sanctions Iran was exporting up to 2.5MBPD. Even assuming Iran sold it for $50 a barrel that is 3.5-4.0 BILLION Dollars a month in potential lost revenue if oil exports go to zero.

So this China news while positive is a drop in the bucket for Iran, especially if it gets no currency from it and becomes a debt payoff structure.
 
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