24,500 people freeze to death in UK

[longbrained]

The weather is not predictable either to some extent. True it was winter, but the temperatures were much colder than we were used to. Killed as part of austerity measures? I'm pretty sure the funeral costs would mean that more money was lost than saved. Anyway the energy industry is private, so the government has nothing to do with it. If people do not pay their bills then fair enough, they do not get energy. Do you expect to be able drive a car that you have not paid for? No.
If people carry on not paying their bills then yes eventually bailiffs will. That happens in pretty much every country.
Japan sits on a few tectonic plates, they know they get earthquakes and tsunamis. They failed their people. That is what you are saying.

Again a handful of people died purely from the cold.

Comparing us to Nazi's is ridiculous.

Every year UK gets winter and snow falls. How much more predictable you want it to be? Japan does not get Tsunami every year at the same place. A Tsunami the size it hit Japan happens once after several thousand years. That is what predictability means. Nazi had also tried to give the excuse of funeral costs as part of their defense. They arranged for corpses to be burnt using specially designed state of the art expensive incinerators. You are getting more pathetic as this discussion is going on. This is people's lives we are talking about here. And all you care like Nazi is only money. Money, money, money. Is that what a capitalist have only in his mind? No compassion? Nazi had also said that they killed a "handful of people" by starvation. Your similarities with Nazi is astounding. This coming from a country that portrays itself as a democratic beacon of human rights is really a downer.

 

[below_freezing]

The weather is not predictable either to some extent. True it was winter, but the temperatures were much colder than we were used to. Killed as part of austerity measures? I'm pretty sure the funeral costs would mean that more money was lost than saved. Anyway the energy industry is private, so the government has nothing to do with it. If people do not pay their bills then fair enough, they do not get energy. Do you expect to be able drive a car that you have not paid for? No.
If people carry on not paying their bills then yes eventually bailiffs will. That happens in pretty much every country.
Japan sits on a few tectonic plates, they know they get earthquakes and tsunamis. They failed their people. That is what you are saying.

Again a handful of people died purely from the cold.

Comparing us to Nazi's is ridiculous.

Capitalism in the US and UK is still like the Industrial Revolution days, except it has been a globalized enterprise of Western exploitation imposed on the entire world as well as stealing from its own populace, rather than merely "only" stealing from its own populace alone.

 

[888jamie888]

Every year UK gets winter and snow falls. How much more predictable you want it to be? Japan does not get Tsunami every year at the same place. A Tsunami the size it hit Japan happens once after several thousand years. That is what predictability means. Nazi had also tried to give the excuse of funeral costs as part of their defense. They arranged for corpses to be burnt using specially designed state of the art expensive incinerators. You are getting more pathetic as this discussion is going on. This is people's lives we are talking about here. And all you care like Nazi is only money. Money, money, money. Is that what a capitalist have only in his mind? No compassion? Nazi had also said that they killed a "handful of people" by starvation. Your similarities with Nazi is astounding. This coming from a country that portrays itself as a democratic beacon of human rights is really a downer.

Yes we have Winter. No it does not always snow. It's snowed about 6 times in my life time. About 3 of those years the snow was gone by lunch. The -22 degrees I think was a record. So that is not normal.
You said that we were killing people as part of our austerity measures. That means spending less money. Agreed? I then said that we weren't really saving money as the funeral costs would probably be more than the money saved on fuel. Therefore we are not killing people as part of austerity measures. Understand? Again as I said. The energy industry is private. (E-on, British Gas etc)Understand?
I don't get it. The UK is abused for spending too much on benefits/fuel allowances in this case. But now you are saying we do not spend enough?
I think you completely mis-understood what I was saying about the funeral costs. Try re-reading.
Also enough with the personal insults. That's so petty.
It would be interesting to know some info about poverty/weather related deaths in Pakistan for some comparison.
Are we rounding up the elderly in conc. camps?

 

[longbrained]

Capitalism in the US and UK is still like the Industrial Revolution days, except it has been a globalized enterprise of Western exploitation imposed on the entire world as well as stealing from its own populace, rather than merely "only" stealing from its own populace alone.

Yeah, as more and more nations are resisting these colonialists to steal their resources, the colonial regimes in these countries are more and more turning to stealing from their own population. The trend is very clear. Austerity measures are just tip of the iceberg. The problems is much deeper than one can imagine. Their whole economy is based on gluttony and theft from other people They have been stealing from other nations for over 500 years now in the process killing hundreds of millions of people.

 

[888jamie888]

Yeah, as more and more nations are resisting these colonialists to steal their resources, the colonial regimes in these countries are more and more turning to stealing from their own population. The trend is very clear. Austerity measures are just tip of the iceberg. The problems is much deeper than one can imagine. Their whole economy is based on gluttony and theft from other people They have been stealing from other nations for over 500 years now in the process killing hundreds of millions of people.

Which nations are we currently stealing from?

 

[longbrained]

Yes we have Winter. No it does not always snow. It's snowed about 6 times in my life time. About 3 of those years the snow was gone by lunch. The -22 degrees I think was a record. So that is not normal.
You said that we were killing people as part of our austerity measures. That means spending less money. Agreed? I then said that we weren't really saving money as the funeral costs would probably be more than the money saved on fuel. Therefore we are not killing people as part of austerity measures. Understand? Again as I said. The energy industry is private. (E-on, British Gas etc)Understand?
I don't get it. The UK is abused for spending too much on benefits/fuel allowances in this case. But now you are saying we do not spend enough?
I think you completely mis-understood what I was saying about the funeral costs. Try re-reading.
Also enough with the personal insults. That's so petty.
It would be interesting to know some info about poverty/weather related deaths in Pakistan for some comparison.
Are we rounding up the elderly in conc. camps?

As I said you are sounding more and more like a spokesperson for Action T-4.
Nazi Germany had an extensive private healthcare system. They also had claimed the same thing. The money is not there to care for patients and private sector can not pay so lets starve these patients to death. Understand? And yeah, it snows pretty regularly in UK, maybe not in London but certainly in northern parts of the country. Temperatures also plummet pretty regularly too. Check your history and see the past weather forecasts. You are personally insulting not me but the whole humanity. Comparing funeral costs with the costs of killing people. You are a shame to humanity. You do not need to round up people in concentration camps simply because Nazi did not have extensive CCTV and computer records to turn the whole of Germany into a large concentration the size of a country just like you are aspiring to do. Do you realize what you are doing here? You have turned people's homes into the camps where people are being frozen to death. Trying to compare Pakistan to UK is another illogical statement from ACTION T-4. Pakistan was a colony of yours just 6 decades ago from where your regime had stolen trillions upon trillions of pounds for almost three centuries. Sucking it to the bone. It takes time to recover in such extreme cases. Pakistan does not claim anything on world stage unlike Nazi. They quietly accept to be a poor country and having many problems. UK on the other hand proclaims to be a world leader in human rights. Goes to war based on human rights. Kills millions because of human rights. And its own citizens are being continuously audited to make sure whether their funerals are cheaper or their gas bills. See the irony?

 

[longbrained]

Which nations are we currently stealing from?

A smuggler who used to sell heroine and cocaine to 7 year old girls and using them as prostitutes and had made a huge fortune was eventually found out and his crimes were to some extent curtailed. 7 year old girls refused to be fed cocaine any more too. The problem now is that the smuggler does not want to give up the fortune claiming to be a matter of past and the fortune belongs to his children, not to the children of the girls. What an irony?
And your question:
Middle east comes to mind. Africa comes to mind. Are these two enough?

 

[longbrained]

As can be seen the proponent of ACTION T-4 has failed to put up a single coherent logical explanation without insulting humanity. I consider this as a victory for all the humanity. Hurrrraaa.

 

[888jamie888]

As I said you are sounding more and more like a spokesperson for Action T-4.

I have never even heard of 'Action T-4'

Nazi Germany had an extensive private healthcare system.

The NHS is owned by the government. Therefore it is not private.

And yeah, it snows pretty regularly in UK, maybe not in London but certainly in northern parts of the country. Temperatures also plummet pretty regularly too. Check your history and see the past weather forecasts.

Record cold December 2010 - Met Office
Coldest since 1910. It was not normal.

Again for the funeral costs. You do not understand me. You said:

24,500 people were killed as part of austerity measures.

Do you know what an austerity measure is? You are saying that Britain killed people to save money. Yes?
I am saying that this is not true. Okay? Why would we kill people if it cost more for them to die? Therefore it is not an austerity measure.
A concentration camp where people are free to leave? What utter rubbish.
So the UK cannot be compared with Pakistan. Convenient.
So you are saying that in the world no predictable/preventable deaths should happen?
Malaria is preventable and is easily identified. So why do people die from it?
What countries in the world pay all of it's peoples heating costs? Please name one.

And its own citizens are being continuously audited to make sure whether their funerals are cheaper or their gas bills. See the irony?

Yeh that doesn't actually happen btw. I was just making a point.

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A smuggler who used to sell heroine and cocaine to 7 year old girls and using them as prostitutes and had made a huge fortune was eventually found out and his crimes were to some extent curtailed. 7 year old girls refused to be fed cocaine any more too. The problem now is that the smuggler does not want to give up the fortune claiming to be a matter of past and the fortune belongs to his children, not to the children of the girls. What an irony?
And your question:
Middle east comes to mind. Africa comes to mind. Are these two enough?

Nice story.

Pretty vague. Any countries? What are we stealing exactly?

 

[longbrained]

I have never even heard of 'Action T-4'

The NHS is owned by the government. Therefore it is not private.

Record cold December 2010 - Met Office
Coldest since 1910. It was not normal.

Again for the funeral costs. You do not understand me. You said:

Do you know what an austerity measure is? You are saying that Britain killed people to save money. Yes?
I am saying that this is not true. Okay? Why would we kill people if it cost more for them to die? Therefore it is not an austerity measure.
A concentration camp where people are free to leave? What utter rubbish.
So the UK cannot be compared with Pakistan. Convenient.
So you are saying that in the world no predictable/preventable deaths should happen?
Malaria is preventable and is easily identified. So why do people die from it?
What countries in the world pay all of it's peoples heating costs? Please name one.

Yeh that doesn't actually happen btw. I was just making a point.

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Nice story.

Pretty vague. Any countries? What are we stealing exactly?

1- If you have not heard of ACTION T-4, then either you are a very uneducated person or you are lying here. I assume the later since your monarchist government was at a world war because of it and 65 million people died because of that war and people were hanged at Nuremberg trial for it.

2- True NHS is government owned and I never claimed it was, go above and read all the posts. But the gas sector is not. Nazi used their healthcare to achieve their political goals. UK is using the gas sector. Trying to deflect the subject of this thread is not going to help you.

3- Weather regularly gets cold in every winter in UK. Some years it is -10 some other years -20. Anything near freezing point of water kills humans. Every winter UK weather is near freezing. It is called predictability. Tsunami is not predictable.

4- Even bringing up the cost of funerals shows how low your morality is. Trying to compare it with people's heating cost is even more pathetic. Let people on this forum decide that. Trying to equate this situation arising in a very rich country whose only defense and security budget is several times more than Pakistan's total budget again shows your racist behavior here. People have rights as humans to live respectable lives. Profiteering over people's deaths is shameful. The major portion of fuel costs in UK are the regime's taxes which make them un-affordable for poor people. Again I have to remind you that Pakistan was a colony in recent history of the world while UK being a colonialist. UK nurtures and bails out billionaires at the cost of its poor society. Pakistan has yet to recover from the problems handed down to it by the colonialist.

5- Auditing happens pretty regularly. Just follow the news. As Freud had said there is no such thing as a slip of a tongue.

6- The story is true. The smuggler in that case is UK. Our brother from China below-freezing had beautifully put your robbery in a concise story above. Go and read it. Stealing is bad. Worse is its denial. Worst is to justify it. In past the colonialists used to do it directly. Now they are using their proxies. The result is the same.

Anyways, I consider you a very ignorant and arrogant person. I was about to put some educational material here as part of your cure from Chinese, Iranian or Pakistani media but then I thought you would be quick at discrediting them based on race. So I put here something from your own media which from time to time puts out some material of truth just for the fun of it and to laugh at world's miseries.
Enjoy:

 

[888jamie888]

1. I suppose I am not very educated then. No shame in that I'm not very old. I don't think we went to war because of it. We went to war because of our commitments to Poland. Any reason why being a monarchist matters?

2.I think you are confused again. How can the UK government use the gas sector to achieve it's political goals as you say, if it does not own the gas sector? You understand the concept of private and public ownership?
I think you have lost this point.

3.Yes it does get cold. But as the link I provided says, this was a record. The coldest in a 100 years. That is not predictable. The weather in the UK is also notoriously un-predictable. Just ask any Brit.

4.You really don't understand what I am saying here. My point is, ready? The UK is not killing people as an austerity measure.
You say mentioning funeral costs is morally wrong? You've mentioned hangings and this Action T4 which sounds horrible.
Also please quote me on where I have been racist.

5. Yes funerals are audited and accounted for otherwise how would undertakers know how much money they are making? They are a business too. That is completely normal for any country. What happens in Pakistan? Do they illegally bury the body on someone else's land? Seriously, do you not have undertakers?
Every country has poor people and these are tough times for much of the world.

6. Well I would not say that the 'whites' have been completely lazy. We started the industrial revolution which the modern world is based on. The Empire could take up another thread, so I will say no more on that other than we did good as well.
Which proxies are we currently using. Also you did not answer. Which specific countries are we stealing from?

Arrogant? Please give some examples.
Again I am not racist. Britain is multi-cultural, particularly London.

 

[somebozo]

The great capitalist experiment in India alone has killed more than all of communism combined in the same timeframe. The most important thing is that all communist nations, if they did suffer famine, will only suffer it ONCE and only at an early stage of development. Capitalist nations like India and Ethiopia suffer repeated famines. Add in the millions killed by British and American capitalism in Africa, Latin America, Asia, even North America, and we can see that the only good of capitalism is that it allows the ultrarich to pour their money into weapons research to further step on the poor.

You forget to mention nearly 1000 farmer sucide in India each year..yet they talk about agri reforms!

 

[somebozo]

If you really do live in the UK then you with respect are very naive. When GB went to war with Argentina the BBC were told to have a news blackout and not report the true extent of the losses. Then in the gulf war the BBC were again controled by what they could write and report. Why do you feel the western governments are whiter than white when they are clearly not? There are numerous examples i can give you when they have convenient cover ups. One example is the murder of Doctor Kelly by the Blair government when he was just about to give evidence regarding chemical weapons in Iraq.
The west is great at lying or covering up the truth.

Quran tells us not the trust the infidels because of their confidence in lying through the teeth and being hypocrites.
@james,
you are not doing a good job of covering up your failing country. I am part english, my immideate family lives in england, I was educated under the english system and had long interaction with the british people. I will confidently assert that I have never seen a nation so badly enslaved by their goverment. Your brit country men amaze at the "freedoms" we have in KSA thought their media would like to portray that we dont have any.

Your queen steals right from your pocket, an oh yes as if that was not enough..she was soo poor to afford heating up the bukingham palace..

Queen tried to use state poverty fund to heat Buckingham Palace - Home News, UK - The Independent

PressTV - BBC admits role in 1953 Iranian coup

The Royal Household also complained that the £15m government grant to maintain the Queen's palaces was inadequate.

This useless queen is being kept alive at tax payer expenses for exactly what?? Ohh wait..the british citizen cannot question that..they should constantly sing..all hail the queen, long live the queen, ala bala......in our local language...we would term you as "hejras" aka sissy boys..yes your entire nation is a cuckold of an old rott1ng queen.

I mean imagine, just a small percentage of those funds can go toward saving people from freezing to death...but just how much more these blood suckers need to steal from people??

If any country rightfully deserves to be invaded for the sake of spreading democracy, U.K would top the list.

 

[888jamie888]

Hello. I still fail to see how we are failing. Our economy is not in great shape true. But we are growing. How are we enslaved?

I'm sorry but freedoms in KSA are radically different to freedoms in the UK. If you were raised with British education then surely you see that? I had a look on the wiki human rights page...
'Saudi Arabian law does not recognize religious freedom, and the public practice of non-Muslim religions is actively prohibited.'
^That is not free.
Human rights in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read that page, not good reading.

The Queen is not poor. She is funded by the government, the British people wish to keep the monarchy. She is a great ambassador for the country. Anyway they say the tourism she generates more than redeems her. Besides when she passes on we'll have lovely Kate.

Also Saudia Arabia is also run by your Royal Family is it not?

I bet some of their money can stop people from dying of heat strokes.

 

[below_freezing]

Capitalism is great for nations that have already gotten rich through looting others, but the only solution to problems that ail developing nations is socialism. As the loot starts to run out for the US and UK, they will be forced to face up to the problems of capitalism.