2016 West Iran clashes - Kurdish Insurgency / Updates and Discussions

[mike2000 is back]

Kurdish Rebels Clash With Iran’s Revolutionary Guards
By THOMAS ERDBRINKJUNE 27, 2016

TEHRAN — Kurdish rebels and Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps have engaged in armed clashes along the mountainous Iranian border with Iraq in recent days, raising tensions in the region, Iranian state television reported.

On social media, there are videos that purport to show the shelling of positions held by the rebels, the Kurdish Democratic Party of Iran. While both groups claim to have killed over a dozen of their opponents, there are no reliable figures as yet, Iran’s state news agency, IRNA, reported.

The Kurdish Democratic Party of Iran has been striving for decades for independence in the Kurdish areas of western Iran. While many of Iran’s approximately six million Kurds feel strong connections to the nation, they speak a separate language and are mostly Sunni Muslims in a Shiite country. The Kurdish regions, like all Iranian border regions, are poor compared with Iran’s larger cities.

The rebels have clashed periodically with the Iranian armed forces, at times ambushing military patrols. They say some of their leaders were assassinated in Europe in the 1980s and ’90s, and that Iran has been executing activists linked to their cause.

The Guard Corps base in the region, Hamzeh Seyyed ol-Shohada, said in a statement on Saturday that the clashes were continuing in the area of Mahabad, a Kurdish city, and the Sarvabad border area. It said that a number of “terrorists linked to counterrevolutionary groups” had been killed in the fighting.

“The operation is underway for the destruction of the remaining terrorists,” the statement said.

President Hassan Rouhani visited the Kurdish region on June 1, promising the opening of Kurdish-language centers. “The mother tongue of ethnic groups, especially of Kurds, should be respected and recognized,” Mr. Rouhani said in a speech in Mahabad. On the same visit, the president inaugurated a petrochemical complex, one of the largest state investments in the region.

Mahabad was the capital of a short-lived modern Kurdish state, the Republic of Mahabad, established in 1946. That attempt at Kurdish statehood ended with a bloody crackdown by the Iranian monarchy.

One Iranian general, Mohammad Pakpour, said the rebels were supported by “reactionary states,” a label Iran uses for Persian Gulf kingdoms. Iran often accuses Sunni nations of supporting Sunni separatists groups against the government.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/w...utionary-guards.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

As I said before give them a referendum like we did. If they want to remain part of the country they will vote to do so. If not they will vote to have their own state . Case solve

There is more chance of ISIS and local Muslim Brotherhood over running Jordan then a bunch of communist Kurds defeating a large nation like Iran.

I don't think it's about defeat per se, it's more than that. You think we gave Ireland it's independence because we couldn't defeat them?lol

 

[Aramagedon]

As I said before give them a referendum like we did. If they want to remain part of the country they will vote to do so. If not they will vote to have their own state . Case solve

5% sectarian kurd aren't representative of 95% kurds.

Anyway I think we should execute a referendum and ask people to join great Iran. also kick american influence out of our old Persian territories.

 

[AmirPatriot]

As I said before give them a referendum like we did. If they want to remain part of the country they will vote to do so. If not they will vote to have their own state . Case solve



I don't think it's about defeat per se, it's more than that. You think we gave Ireland it's independence because we couldn't defeat them?lol

Seperatism will not be tolerated. Kurds are Iranian. Iran is smaller than it's historic borders, not larger. We are not about to give away territory like that.

 

[Tripoli]

5% sectarian kurd aren't representative of 95% kurds.

Anyway I think we should execute a referendum and ask people to join great Iran. also kick american influence out of our old Persian territories.

The persian empire did not control mecca and medina, I believe.
This should be the right map:

 

[Aramagedon]

The persian empire did not control mecca and medina, I believe.
This should be the right map:

Actually Iranians protected Hijaz and birthplace of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) against Romans and Christians that wanted to destroy it.

The Sassanids played a key political role in Arabia and in fate of Islam; In 575 CE Sassanid Persians actually protected the Arabian city ofMecca from invasion by a neighbouring Christian Kingdom at the request of the southern tribes of Arabia from then Persian emperor Khosrau I. In response Khosrau came south to Arabia with both foot-soldiers and a fleet of ships preventing Christianity from spreading easterward into Arabia, and Mecca and protecting the Islamic prophet Muhammad, who was at the time a six-year-old boy in the Quraysh tribe.[102] There are a few scholars who consider that Zoroastrianism, "began the whole Western or Judaeo-Christian-Muslim concept of progressive time."[103] If this assumption is true, then role of Persian influence is that much more significant. Additionally, Persia became an important center for dissemination of Islam, as newly converted Persians, adopted Islam as their own and spread it to the periphery of the Persian empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_people

 

[Aramagedon]

Achaemenid Empire:

Sassanian Empire:

 

[mike2000 is back]

5% sectarian kurd aren't representative of 95% kurds.

Anyway I think we should execute a referendum and ask people to join great Iran. also kick american influence out of our old Persian territories.

Exactly, if they are just 5% as you claim, then give them their referendum to decide so we can all see. This way this conflict will be settled forever. Iran Should follow our lead and show the Muslim /Middle Eastern world it's at least the only real democratic country in the region. That will be a good example.

Seperatism will not be tolerated. Kurds are Iranian. Iran is smaller than it's historic borders, not larger. We are not about to give away territory like that.

Well, many countries said the same thing, that way this conflict will continue for decades to come more to come, until maybe one day foreign powers might start taking an interests in it as well .

 

[Aramagedon]

Exactly, if they are just 5% as you claim, then give them their referendum to decide so we can all see. This way this conflict will be settled forever. Iran Should follow our lead and show the Muslim /Middle Eastern world it's at least the only real democratic country in the region. That will be a good example.

How old are you?

 

[GiannKall]

The west uses Kurds to control Middle East.

 

[mike2000 is back]

How old are you?

Definitely older than you.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Well, many countries said the same thing, that way this conflict will continue for decades to come more to come, until maybe one day foreign powers might start taking an interests in it as well .

Foreign powers already take an interest in every single anti-Iran terrorist scumbag and label them "rebels", fighting for "freedom". Iran will only get stronger. They will not be allowed to break up any part of Iran. Even federalism is doomed, look at Iraqi Kurdistan bitching about it while Iraq is fighting IS. Scotland is also a good example.

 

[SALMAN F]

@Irfan Baloch @Oscar

Why nobody deleted or closed this thread??!!

if an powerfull Kurdish party that powerfull in scale of PKK fight againist Iran, IRGC will loss at least 10 soldiers on dayly basis...cause..Iran air and land forces have many serious lacks in respect of advanced weapons...Their Russian made armored vechiles dond resist even RPGs and 50 kg ammunitaions...

But relative to PKK, PAK anad PDKI very weak parties and totally have some 200-300 militans....
But in respect of welfare and politic freedom Iran Kurds are in a terrible state...Every month Kurdish youngs have been executed by regime due to politic opinions...poverty and oppressions make Kurdish youngs ready to participate in outlaw armed groups.

BTW, Iran has much more big ethnic danger than Kurds...They are 25- 30 millions of Irani Turks....Ethnic unrest steadly escaletes among Turks againist regime.

There is no such thing as turks in iran only Turkmens if you mean azr they barely make 13 million and not what your pan shit propaganda say just like tarazani when he said there is 30 million kurd in turkey which is stupid and selly claim because even the pkk say that the kurds are near 15 million

 

[Aramagedon]

if an powerfull Kurdish party that powerfull in scale of PKK fight againist Iran, IRGC will loss at least 10 soldiers on dayly basis...cause..Iran air and land forces have many serious lacks in respect of advanced weapons...Their Russian made armored vechiles dond resist even RPGs and 50 kg ammunitaions...

But relative to PKK, PAK anad PDKI very weak parties and totally have some 200-300 militans....
But in respect of welfare and politic freedom Iran Kurds are in a terrible state...Every month Kurdish youngs have been executed by regime due to politic opinions...poverty and oppressions make Kurdish youngs ready to participate in outlaw armed groups.

BTW, Iran has much more big ethnic danger than Kurds...They are 25- 30 millions of Irani Turks....Ethnic unrest steadly escaletes among Turks againist regime.

First 'please respect your forefathers' and check your anatolis DNA then claim you anatoli inhabitants are mughuls or torks by any means. You are Turkified by your Turkish invaders and you don't have any common DNA with Turkish invaders. They were just 'Your Rulers' and transfered their Turkish culture, language, religion etc... to you anatoli people.

Read this:

Turkification

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Turkification (Turkish: Türkleştirme) is the assimilation of individuals, entities, or cultures into the various historical Turkic states and cultures, such as the Ottoman Empire. As the Turkic states developed and grew, there were many instances of this assimilation, voluntary and involuntary, including the Anatolian, Balkan, Caucasianand Middle Eastern peoples from differentethnic origins, such as the Albanians, Arabs, Armenians, Assyrians, Circassians, Greeks, Jews, Romani, South Slavic peoples and East Slavic Ukrainians, Iranic peoples such as Kurds, as well as Lazs from all the regions of the Ottoman Empire and Iran. An early form of Turkification occurred in the time of the Seljuk Empire among the indigenous peoples of Anatolia, involving religious conversion, cultural andlinguistic assimilation, and interethnic relationships, reflected in the indigenous Anatolian background of most modernTurkish people.

Y-DNA haplogroup distributions in Turkish people

According to Cinnioglu et al., (2004)[151] there are many Y-DNA haplogroups present in Turkey. The majority haplogroups are shared with their "West Asian" and "Caucasian' neighbours. By contrast, "Central Asian" haplogroups are rarer, N and Q)- 5.7% (but it rises to 36% if K, R1a, R1b and L- which infrequently occur in Central Asia, but are notable in many other Western Turkic groups), India H, R2 – 1.5% and Africa A, E3*, E3a – 1%.

Some of the percentages identified were:[136]

• J2=24% – J2 (M172)[136] Typical of the west Mediterranean, the northern Middle East and southern Central Asia (Iranian)
• R1b=14.7%[136] Widespread in western Eurasia, with distinct 'west Asian' and 'west European' lineages.
• G=10.9%[136] – Typical of people from the Caucasus and to a lesser extent the Middle East, southern parts of Central Asia, and Europe.
• E3b-M35=10.7%[136] (E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 accounting for all E representatives in the sample, besides a single E3b2-M81 chromosome). E-M78 occurs commonly, and is found in northern and eastern Africa, western Asia[152] and the Balkans. Haplogroup E-M123 is found in both Africa and Eurasia.
• J1=9%[136] – Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula (Arab)
• and Dagestan(ranging from 3% from Turks aroundKonya to 12% in Kurds).
• R1a=6.9%[136] – Common in various Central Asian, North Indian, and Eastern European populations.
• I=5.3%[136] – Common in Scandinavia, Sardinia, among Kurds and Eastern Europe.
• K=4.5%[136] – Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
• L=4.2%[136] – Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasan populations. Found sporadically in the Middle East and the Caucasus.
• N=3.8%[136] – Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
• T=2.5%[136] – Typical of Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Northeast African and South Asian populations
• Q=1.9%[136] – Typical of Northern Altaic populations.
• C=1.3%[136] – Typical of Mongolic and Siberian populations
• R2=0.96% [136] Typical of South Asian population

Others markers than occurs in less than 1% are H, A, E3a, O, R1*.

Today's sciences do not lie.

Please be a real anatoli and not followers Middle Asian Chinese, Turks and Mughuls. You have only became 'turkish speakers' because of your turkish invaders (Ottomans) and 'your race' isn't turkish at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkification

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people

Also all of 11 million Azaris (like many of you Anatolis) have Persian DNA and they used to speak Persian or Pahlavi until 17th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Azeri_language

 

[Madali]

Exactly, if they are just 5% as you claim, then give them their referendum to decide so we can all see. This way this conflict will be settled forever. Iran Should follow our lead and show the Muslim /Middle Eastern world it's at least the only real democratic country in the region. That will be a good example.

I think I mentioned this to you or someone else in the Iranian sub-section. How are we going to do a referendum? Kurds don't have "Kurd" on their forehead.

In an Iranian identity card, no ethnicity is mentioned. It even barely makes sense anymore, due to multiple movements and intermarriages.

 

[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

As if Persians live in a far and isolated iseland that have pure DNA and never mixed with any other races....
... Persian DNA have been mixed at least as much as Anatolians DNA...BC Persians had been mixed with Assurians, Babilions, Meds and Greeks...After Muslim conquired Iran Arabs ruled Persians for centuries..Later Turks and the last Mongolions ruled Iran for many long centuries...

After so long time passed if any one still claim and proud on his pure race like Sionists then he is pure ignorant/jaheel ..nothing else..