20 soldiers inured, few in critical condition after an explosion on a SFs convoy in DIKHAN

[Cash GK]

wah mother chod wah bhut tajerba hai tera lagta hai baap dada bhi tery dallal they
khandani kam hai tera dalali kerna ? suna hai tum log insest bhi hoty ho kabhi apny baap ko teri baji per chardha dekha ? ya tu ne apni ammi ki bajai kabhi ?

What is all news going on with rana arami pres conference

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

you need to visit twitter fb and other social media plateform to see level of hate . just think million daily watch imran riyaz khan and ISI kidnapped him since two weeks without producing in courts . isi killed arshad sharif whom have huge followings let alone PTI do you think people will take it easy ? there is no end of crimes of napak army now sir . where is sami ibrahim ?

I know the hate because I feel it too but I have the sense and direction to vent it at those who deserve it. But the hearts have been darkened and filled with rage and hate. Alas the damage has been done and these Hafiz co and its poodles have no idea what they are doing and its its consequences. Once the economy collapses in July things will get completely out of control.

 

[NagaBaba]

This feels weird, even from an Indian perspective, to see this zaleeling of Pk Fauj by own people..

bc, aapke shaheedon ki news aa ri, fir bhi log siyasi bs laga k point scoring kar re ?

very bad form, pls rein in your understandably much hightened emotions, guize.

 

[Ali_Baba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662385588283088896

read the comments and 1.8k like it

"We are neutral" seems to sum up the sentiment from those comments ... fundamentally people dont think the Pakistan Army is fighting to protect the people of Pakistan, but their own place in Pakistan and its priviledges.

 

[lightning F57]

ina lilah hay wa ina ilayhay rahjayhoon. We all are to go one day, our creator will judge us on how good or bad we were.

 

[Jango]

Ok people, we had a little cleanup

While the establishment and the senior military leadership is fair game for your criticism and disdain, soldiers and those participating in active ops against terrorists or security duties are NOT.

Any sort of abuse or disregard towards soldiers as was seen in this thread by some members will not be tolerated. Keep your feelings restricted to the senior leadership.

While it may be easy to say from the outside, the structure of the military and social compulsions force soldiers to mostly obey order and not question anything.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Ok people, we had a little cleanup

While the establishment and the senior military leadership is fair game for your criticism and disdain, soldiers and those participating in active ops against terrorists or security duties are NOT.

Any sort of abuse or disregard towards soldiers as was seen in this thread by some members will not be tolerated. Keep your feelings restricted to the senior leadership.

While it may be easy to say from the outside, the structure of the military and social compulsions force soldiers to mostly obey order and not question anything.

We understand that during such challenging times, the responsibilities of PDF management team members can be comprehensible. But I have a straightforward question: while it's evident that the Army leadership is at fault for issuing illegal orders, why shouldn't the regular soldiers also be held responsible for carrying out those unlawful commands? History has shown that they may not hesitate to open fire on innocent civilians or commit acts of sexual violence against women if given such orders, as we witnessed in 1971 and to a lesser extent, currently. In such circumstances, how can we expect the average Pakistani citizen to respect them?

 

[Jango]

We understand that during such challenging times, the responsibilities of PDF management team members can be comprehensible. But I have a straightforward question: while it's evident that the Army leadership is at fault for issuing illegal orders, why shouldn't the regular soldiers also be held responsible for carrying out those unlawful commands? History has shown that they may not hesitate to open fire on innocent civilians or commit acts of sexual violence against women if given such orders, as we witnessed in 1971 and to a lesser extent, currently. In such circumstances, how can we expect the average Pakistani citizen to respect them?

While there are certainly excesses in current times, they can in no way be compared to what went on in 1971. There have not been any rape cases yet, and the sort of whole sale action as seen then is not being seen now. Had that happened, I would have agreed with you and it would be fair game.

You do not have regular infantry units of the Army going around into houses and thrashing them up. You don't have some Baloch regiment the area from Lahore DHA to airport.

 

[truthseeker2010]

While there are certainly excesses in current times, they can in no way be compared to what went on in 1971. There have not been any rape cases yet, and the sort of whole sale action as seen then is not being seen now. Had that happened, I would have agreed with you and it would be fair game.

You do not have regular infantry units of the Army going around into houses and thrashing them up. You don't have some Baloch regiment the area from Lahore DHA to airport.

Wow so there is still some room for improvement in how khaki operate.

Meanwhile the creatures coming out of trucks during 9 may were aliens.

 

[Goenitz]

Ok people, we had a little cleanup

While the establishment and the senior military leadership is fair game for your criticism and disdain, soldiers and those participating in active ops against terrorists or security duties are NOT.

Any sort of abuse or disregard towards soldiers as was seen in this thread by some members will not be tolerated. Keep your feelings restricted to the senior leadership.

While it may be easy to say from the outside, the structure of the military and social compulsions force soldiers to mostly obey order and not question anything.

Also, the field army does not abduct/arrest/torture civilians mainly. It is civilian+military agencies and their JCOs, jawans, etc.

We understand that during such challenging times, the responsibilities of PDF management team members can be comprehensible. But I have a straightforward question: while it's evident that the Army leadership is at fault for issuing illegal orders, why shouldn't the regular soldiers also be held responsible for carrying out those unlawful commands? History has shown that they may not hesitate to open fire on innocent civilians or commit acts of sexual violence against women if given such orders, as we witnessed in 1971 and to a lesser extent, currently. In such circumstances, how can we expect the average Pakistani citizen to respect them?

I heard that a British officer ordered Muslim soldiers (Africans mainly) to kill POWs (German or Italian). The soldiers refused citing they can't kill who has already surrendered. That POW became Muslim later and was telling the story.

 

[Goenitz]

While there are certainly excesses in current times, they can in no way be compared to what went on in 1971. There have not been any rape cases yet,

They have done something terrible already.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662550158234603523

 

[Trango Towers]

They have done something terrible already.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662550158234603523

I want to cry and kill at the same time.
Why do they need to rape...this is not even justifiable during war

ina lilah hay wa ina ilayhay rahjayhoon. We all are to go one day, our creator will judge us on how good or bad we were.

May Allah forgive us all for hell is not even worth wishing for your enemies

 

[mangochutney]

They have done something terrible already.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662550158234603523

I know believe the mass rape allegations from the Bengalis against Pak army wholeheartedly.

 

[PakSword]

Extremely sad situation. The amount of hate people are showing all across the social media despite government's use of force is alarming.

 

[M. Sarmad]

While there are certainly excesses in current times, they can in no way be compared to what went on in 1971. There have not been any rape cases yet, and the sort of whole sale action as seen then is not being seen now. Had that happened, I would have agreed with you and it would be fair game.

You do not have regular infantry units of the Army going around into houses and thrashing them up. You don't have some Baloch regiment the area from Lahore DHA to airport.

It's not just about the scale of such incidents, it's the intentions behind them that really matters. And those intentions are crystal clear. They're willing to go to extreme lengths, even resorting to killing men (as we've seen with the dozens of lives lost and over 700 people injured from gunfire on May 9), and yes, they're even stooping so low as to sexually assault women. All of this is done with the sole purpose of suppressing any form of uprising or dissent that might dare to question their absolute authority.

And the events of 1971 did not happen in isolation. It all started following Yahya's decision to indefinitely postpone the convening of the Assembly on March 1st, protests erupted resultantly in East Pakistan causing the deaths of over a hundred individuals, all reportedly at the hands of the police. The Awami League's MNAs were abducted, tortured, and 88 out of 162 members were forced to leave the party. Awami League was banned. And then things spiraled out of control, and the rest is history. It is the concerning pattern and trajectory of such incidents that raises significant worries.

Although the dynamics in East Pakistan may vary, the primary culprit remains the same, employing similar techniques to achieve their goals. The Army will continue escalating the level of atrocities until the civilians completely give in.