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Stalin's atheism was part of a set of beliefs "communism". He killed for the benefit of class warfare not atheism. It is very difficult to be motivated to kill because you don't believe in a god, it is very easy to be motivated to kill if for example you think that all rich people should be eliminated before setting up a workers paradise. Atheist have little missionary zeal, which is why their view point tends to have less influence than those who have strong belief in anything be it theistic or something like communism.
 
I am an expert in Hindu and abrahamic religions...I always knew that religions are a bunch of fairy tales even before I read them..I tell people not to waste time and energy in reading them unless you want to know the history behind those religions...only a fool believes magics,miracles,super natural tales religions profess.
Apart from the philosophy of Upanishads and Buddhism no religious text is worth reading.(I don't follow them but they provide you with some good questions and answers )

Which Upanishad have you read ? which other Hindu religious text have you read ? which buddhist text have you read ?

Once we determine that, you can tell us why they are not worth reading.
 
Stalin's atheism was part of a set of beliefs "communism". He killed for the benefit of class warfare not atheism. It is very difficult to be motivated to kill because you don't believe in a god, it is very easy to be motivated to kill if for example you think that all rich people should be eliminated before setting up a workers paradise. Atheist have little missionary zeal, which is why their view point tends to have less influence than those who have strong belief in anything be it theistic or something like communism.

That is faulty reasoning and not borne by evidence. You just have to go to Deepak Chopra's videos to see the missionary zeal of the atheists. Even religious people do not kill for their belief in God, but because of lack of tolerance of diversity. It is very difficult to be motivated to kill if you believe in God, it is very easy to be motivated to kill if for example you think that removing all diverse views and beliefs would lead to a strong homogeneous society with very little conflicts, in other word's a paradise.

This is where Hinduism stands out because by its very nature it encourages diverse view points.
 
so believing in a god makes you kill?? and not believing in a god doesnt make you kill?
What a bizarre statement !

That is faulty reasoning and not borne by evidence. You just have to go to Deepak Chopra's videos to see the missionary zeal of the atheists. Even religious people do not kill for their belief in God, but because of lack of tolerance of diversity. It is very difficult to be motivated to kill if you believe in God, it is very easy to be motivated to kill if for example you think that removing all diverse views and beliefs would lead to a strong homogeneous society with very little conflicts, in other word's a paradise.

This is where Hinduism stands out because by its very nature it encourages diverse view points.
Are there any videos of atheist killing people for the greater glory of not believing? It sounds silly even to say that. There are plenty of videos of crazies beheading innocents while shouting "god is great". The inquisition was done in the name of Christ. Slavery is justified in all the religious books of the ME so is child marriage and polygamy. Caste found justification in Hinduism. Equality for women gets no quarter in any religion. Atheism promotes nothing, justifies nothing. It is simply a lack of belief nothing more. It just doesn't believe and if you ask an atheist they will say why, but they will not come after you and bribe you or threaten you to becoming an atheist. Can you name a single atheist who bribed someone to become an atheist? That is not even possible. Whereas it is a common method of religious conversion.

Which Upanishad have you read ? which other Hindu religious text have you read ? which buddhist text have you read ?

Once we determine that, you can tell us why they are not worth reading.
Religious texts often have great value and an important role in society. and a lot of the philosophies found in for example Upanishads are indeed worthy. That has nothing to do with atheism...which is defined simply as a lack of belief in the existence of God. It does not take anything from the good philosophy. An atheist can believe as much as a theist that one should "help the needy", "protect the innocent", "do not lie", " be faithful to your wife " . These are all good values and independent of belief or lack of belief in the existence of God. You can believe that lying and stealing and murder and mayhem are very bad things but see no proof of the existence of a God. There are universal human values.
 
If you go little but deeper, then i find that this number should be more...At least in Hindus, more people are cultural Hindus rather than religious Hindus...Correct me if i am wrong...Even i hardly goes to temple each month, although i wish i could have gone periodically...
 
Religious texts often have great value and an important role in society. and a lot of the philosophies found in for example Upanishads are indeed worthy. That has nothing to do with atheism...which is defined simply as a lack of belief in the existence of God. It does not take anything from the good philosophy. An atheist can believe as much as a theist that one should "help the needy", "protect the innocent", "do not lie", " be faithful to your wife " . These are all good values and independent of belief or lack of belief in the existence of God. You can believe that lying and stealing and murder and mayhem are very bad things but see no proof of the existence of a God. There are universal human values.


Upanishads only expands the philosophy mentioned in the Vedas. That is why Upanishad is known as the Vendanta i.e end of the Vedas.

Human values are not only "help the needy" or "protect the innocent", its also "Exploit the needy", "kill the weak", "tell lies to make profit", "have sex as and when you find it" etc.

It takes religion to identify what is "dharma" and acceptable in society and for personal growth. Here I am only speaking w.r.t Dharmic religions.

Majority believe lying is a good thing, that is why you will not find a SINGLE person who has never lied in his life. How many of us can honestly say we have NEVER stolen ANYTHING in our lives ? Stealing cannot be limited to capital goods, is also extends to opportunities, affection, service etc.

Taking Slaves and waging war is also Universal Human Values as borne out by History.
 
If you go little but deeper, then i find that this number should be more...At least in Hindus, more people are cultural Hindus rather than religious Hindus...Correct me if i am wrong...Even i hardly goes to temple each month, although i wish i could have gone periodically...

Which is equally true for muslims and christians too.

How many muslims actually believe that jihad will give you 42 virgins in heaven ? how many christians actually believe a talking snake told adam to eat an apple that made him evil ?

Hinduism OTOH is expansive enough to accommodate a large variety of beliefs which makes it home to a lot more believers.
 
What a bs,Stalin wasn't atheist in any sense of imagination.He was a Greek Orthodox Christian and remained as such till he dies.It's just blatant misinformation,spread by the religious kinds,to justify all of those bat shit crazy things they do and make others do.


you can be what ever you want long as you dont insult islam ....atleast in our area.
Yeah,no one should 'insult' but just like any other theory,idea,hypotheses,Islam (and every other religion for that matter) should be kept open for questioning.That's how science works,it shouldn't be any different with religions either.Actually,it's the followers who should not be harmed or ridiculed or insulted in any way,but the belief systems should be open to questioning.

You call religious people childish, yet when you post on a topic on religion, you behave like a child...you see the irony here?

Those who believe in a flying monkey god or a flying donkey,are definitely childish.
 
If you go little but deeper, then i find that this number should be more...At least in Hindus, more people are cultural Hindus rather than religious Hindus...Correct me if i am wrong...Even i hardly goes to temple each month, although i wish i could have gone periodically...

That is exactly what Hinduism is.... There is no compulsion to go to temple 5 times in a day or not to worship non-Hindu gods and labelled as Shirk..... Hindus are the most tolerant and hence has survived for 1000s of years even after so many invaders and foreign rulers.
 
Are there any videos of atheist killing people for the greater glory of not believing? It sounds silly even to say that. There are plenty of videos of crazies beheading innocents while shouting "god is great". The inquisition was done in the name of Christ. Slavery is justified in all the religious books of the ME so is child marriage and polygamy. Caste found justification in Hinduism. Equality for women gets no quarter in any religion. Atheism promotes nothing, justifies nothing. It is simply a lack of belief nothing more. It just doesn't believe and if you ask an atheist they will say why, but they will not come after you and bribe you or threaten you to becoming an atheist. Can you name a single atheist who bribed someone to become an atheist? That is not even possible. Whereas it is a common method of religious conversion.

There are no videos of atheists killing people for the greater glory of not believing, but there are plenty of killings because they disdained of all religions. Banning of religions and killing of priests, clergy, destroying culture all over the soviet block, China, Cambodia etc etc was born not out of communism but atheism.

Atheists stand shoulder to shoulder with the Abrahamists in killing and no amount of hair splitting will absolve them of that shame.

Caste system was imposed by Brits on Hindus. Hindus had varna where social mobility was not so rigid or codified. There is nothing in Manusmriti which determines the fate of someone from birth. Women were more than equal in Hinduism. It is Hindu countries which had first warrior queens, business women, saints, goddesses, etc etc.

You are right atheism promotes nothing, justifies nothing. It is a deadbeat stuck in its hole with no where to go. As already proved atheists have been killing with equal zeal as people from religion but lacking the honesty to claim that and hiding behind the cover of communism.

Atheist did not bribe anyone to become atheist, they just destroyed the entire culture and religious structures in every country they ruled to turn people into atheists. In other words, they held the gun on people's head. China is a good example now of how it is arm twisting its population to turn into atheists. It is not a requirement of communism that people abandon religion, but of atheism.
 
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There are no videos of atheists killing people for the greater glory of not believing, but there are plenty of killings because they disdained of all religions. Banning of religions and killing of priests, clergy, destroying culture all over the soviet block, China, Cambodia etc etc was born not out of communism but atheism.

Classic disinformation tactic,followed by your type!!For the nth time,those countries you mention all the time are defacto dictator communist states!!Their rulers think of themselves as Gods anyone who opposes their ideas,are sent to the gallows!!
And besides,why do you always mention these few states only as atheist states,why not mentioning the Scandinavian republics here??This is classic example of selective bias coupled to galactic level of ignorance,stupidity and hypocrisy.

Atheists stand shoulder to shoulder with the Abrahamists in killing and no amount of hair splitting will absolve them of that shame.
Pure bullshit,it's just beyond laughable.The amount of collective atrocities and mass murdering in industrial scales,that have been committed and perfected by your kind,through out the ages simply dwarfs what ever we atheists can even imagine.You are a plain hypocrite,nothing else.And tell you what, it is outright ignominious for us atheists, to be placed in the sentence or to be compared to your kind.

Caste system was imposed by Brits on Hindus. Hindus had varna where social mobility was not so rigid or codified. There is nothing in Manusmriti which determines the fate of someone from birth. Women were more than equal in Hinduism. It is Hindu countries which had first warrior queens, business women, saints, goddesses, etc etc.
Whatever rocks your boat kid.It doesn't matter who introduced what,neither what you were.But you are judged according to your present day actions.And that's why the Hindus have to be judged by their present actions and not what you people claim you did thousands of years ago,claims which in any case can not be substantiated with peer review able evidence. So hang your bs and save those for the consumption of the illiterate fools like yourself.

You are right atheism promotes nothing, justifies nothing.
Atheism means disbelief in supernatural,nothing more and nothing less.Get a life and a good education asshole,a GOOD,PROPER EDUCATION.
And for your information,atheism does promote one thing - it's called "FREE THINKING",a concept that is completely alien to assholes like yourself and your bloody kind.
It is a deadbeat stuck in its hole with no where to go.
Yeah yeah,that's why majority of the scientists and inventors or the men of science term religions as utter hogwash.You just............**** that man,just sop lying through your teeth and shove your bullshiit arguments into where the sun does not shine creep!!
As already proved atheists have been killing with equal zeal as people from religion but lacking the honesty to claim that and hiding behind the cover of communism.
I have just one thing to say - go and get a proper education for fuckk's sake!!If that was true,then every scientists would be a mass murderer.

Atheist did not bribe anyone to become atheist, they just destroyed the entire culture and religious structures in every country they ruled to turn people into atheists.
If by "culture" you mean discriminating and oppressing other groups of people,turning them into one's slaves or burning the widows alive or beheading and burning the infidels,killing men in the name of sacrifice or 'doing god's work',then the so called atheists had every right to what you allege they did!!There is no two to say this.
In other words, they held the gun on people's head.
Same as above.Moving on.......
China is a good example now of how it is arm twisting its population to turn into atheists. It is not a requirement of communism that people abandon religion, but of atheism.
Your ignorance is both sickening and laughable at the same time.
And you are right to say that we atheists often act or speak as if we are intellectually superior beings.Yes,we do.You know why - cause we are intellectually superior to your kind,this a bloody fact and not some baseless argument or allegation you guys often pull out from your asses from time to time;a fact which has been authenticated and validated by over a hundred behavioral surveys,done by scientists all over the world.
And so again,we do often sound condescending but then,it's extremely hard not to sound as such while arguing with imbeciles,not unlike yourself.
 
@Samudra Manthan , I can see that @Omega007 has already answered your questions though perhaps in more colorful language :sarcastic:

Let me add a couple things. Atheism is not some kind of grand philosophy like religion, you are comparing apples with oranges. Atheism is the opposite if theism nothing more. One set believes in the existence of god the other does not. Do you remember the "Venn diagrams" we all learnt at school? Think of it this way, there are 2 circles, one for theists and one for atheist and they cannot overlap. (Unless you count agnostic-but let's keep this simple). Within the circle of theists are found the religions, all in separate circles with their own philosophies. Outside the religious circles but still within theism are those who believe in god but do not follow a specific religion. In the atheist circle, you will find a wholly contained sub set - the communists. The vast majority of modern atheist are not communists.

Communists are no doubt a murderous group, but they murder because of their philosophy of violent revolution and over throw of the bourgeoise to establish a workers paradise. Atheists who are not communists do not murder, in fact Scandinavia and most of Western Europe are very humane societies.
 
Atheism is not some kind of grand philosophy like religion, you are comparing apples with oranges. Atheism is the opposite if theism nothing more

Atheism is a belief just like theism is. Get it. It is belief in the non-existence of God. It does not claim it does not know. It refutes by assertion that God does not exist with out providing any proof for it whatsoever and takes refuge in facetious reasoning that one cannot prove a negative.

The vast majority of modern atheist are not communists.

Again a wrong assertion. The vast majority of atheists are in fact communists/socialists. You just have to look at Kerala and West Bengal if not China, Vietnam, and all the socialist leaning people of Europe.
 
Atheism is a belief just like theism is. Get it. It is belief in the non-existence of God. It does not claim it does not know. It refutes by assertion that God does not exist with out providing any proof for it whatsoever and takes refuge in facetious reasoning that one cannot prove a negative.

You got this perfectly upside down - what proof can you provide that god does exist?

Most socialists nowadays by the way are theists. Christianity is the fastest growing religion in China. Much of Russia is deeply religious.

Malayalee commies are regularly seen in churches and mosques.
 

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