1st Hürkuş-C CAS Aircraft delivered before Syria operation began.

[cabatli_53]

 

[Mucahit]

Cheaper and Effective way of bombing terrorists. Good edition for our army.

 

[Agha Sher]

Is it really delivered, or is it still undergoing tests?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Cheaper and Effective way of bombing terrorists. Good edition for our army.

Let be honest , I expected a lot more from Turkey defense industry ,your defense industry have some world class products but if you wanted it for CAS at least made it a two engine another question aside from endurance what other benefit that design offer ?Can it defend itself if for example the airplane faces an AH-64 ? how it fare against Manpads ,usually a ypical CAS airplanes like SU-25 and A-10 can endure such punishment

I can understand Hürkuş-B for training your pilots but adding some weapon to it and use it for CAS in Hürkuş-C is endangering the life of your pilots don't forget according to TAI your Airforce is supposed to use the airplane for the next 35 years .

Cheaper and Effective way of bombing terrorists. Good edition for our army.

your drones are a lot cheaper and they won't endanger the life of your pilots also they have the option of using smaller bombs to reduce the collateral damage to civilians as the terrorist tend to mingle with civilians that is a must have in fighting them

 

[Oublious]

Let be honest , I expected a lot more from Turkey defense industry ,your defense industry have some world class products but if you wanted it for CAS at least made it a two engine another question aside from endurance what other benefit that design offer ?Can it defend itself if for example the airplane faces an AH-64 ? how it fare against Manpads ,usually a ypical CAS airplanes like SU-25 and A-10 can endure such punishment

I can understand Hürkuş-B for training your pilots but adding some weapon to it and use it for CAS in Hürkuş-C is endangering the life of your pilots don't forget according to TAI your Airforce is supposed to use the airplane for the next 35 years .


your drones are a lot cheaper and they won't endanger the life of your pilots also they have the option of using smaller bombs to reduce the collateral damage to civilians as the terrorist tend to mingle with civilians that is a must have in fighting them

Look what you are comparing, these fighters are designed for destroying tanks in the cold ware area. Present days are used as a CAS mission but are still expensive.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Look what you are comparing, these fighters are designed for destroying tanks in the cold ware area. Present days are used as a CAS mission but are still expensive.

you see I have a question , an Armored division in 1970 had more option dealing an Airplane in CAS role or an Insurgent group in 2020 . (thanks to proliferation of Manpads by certain government )
when I compared them what was my concerns was the protection of the pilots .they are the one who are hard to replace . if you look when I talked about fire power I never said it's fire power is low , in fact I said the bomb it carry are too high for dealing with terrorists who tend to blend amount civilian.

also as I said you had far better tools to deal with those civilians and that's your drones ,they can loiter over the battlefield and deal with the terrorist the instant the moved out of their holes . to be honnest the only benefit I see for this airplane is dealing with Tanks column and I'm sure any government who send a column of tank there send some protection with them and I'm sure this plan don't have enough armor to protect the pilot .

 

[xbat]

AFAIK only Turkish Land forces command interested in this variant, airforce doesnt. The commander of land forces was ready while first missile firing. Land forces demand air strike from air force when they needed, they think CAS variant of Hurkus will decrease their dependency on air force, this is the whole story, the number of aircraft would be around 15.

it would also increase export chance of Hurkus.
first shot

 

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Let be honest , I expected a lot more from Turkey defense industry ,your defense industry have some world class products but if you wanted it for CAS at least made it a two engine another question aside from endurance what other benefit that design offer ?Can it defend itself if for example the airplane faces an AH-64 ? how it fare against Manpads ,usually a ypical CAS airplanes like SU-25 and A-10 can endure such punishment

I can understand Hürkuş-B for training your pilots but adding some weapon to it and use it for CAS in Hürkuş-C is endangering the life of your pilots don't forget according to TAI your Airforce is supposed to use the airplane for the next 35 years .


your drones are a lot cheaper and they won't endanger the life of your pilots also they have the option of using smaller bombs to reduce the collateral damage to civilians as the terrorist tend to mingle with civilians that is a must have in fighting them

Hurkus-C can loiter for 6 hours with a full weapons load, has integrated E/O.

Hurkus-C Advantages
1. It's many times more cheaper to operate and maintain than any of planes you've listed.
2. It's faster than many of the UAVs in operation, since it's not designed for long loitering times. Allows for quick response for CAS requests.
3. Self defense suite has been integrated - It's the only-plane-in-its-class to have full electronic self defense suite.

United States is also looking heavily into turbo-prop CAS planes.

Air Force tests two turboprops as potential A-10 “replacements”

 

[Hack-Hook]

Hurkus-C can loiter for 6 hours with a full weapons load, has integrated E/O.

Hurkus-C Advantages
1. It's many times more cheaper to operate and maintain than any of planes you've listed.
2. It's faster than many of the UAVs in operation, since it's not designed for long loitering times. Allows for quick response for CAS requests.
3. Self defense suite has been integrated - It's the only-plane-in-its-class to have full electronic self defense suite.

United States is also looking heavily into turbo-prop CAS planes.

Air Force tests two turboprops as potential A-10 “replacements”

United State use its c130 for that.
But a question why opt for quick response when you can stay there for 24/7 and for a lot cheaper.
By the way what of self defense I saw on the plane was chaff well it help about old generation of missiles but newer generation of seeker are a lot harder to full.

And i taught it can carry 1500kg for 4.5h and I doubt it can stay that much if it fly with the max speed. Also what's the use of self defence suit when you come under fire by anti aircraft guns? Why when you can seat safe and sound hundreds of km away from the battlefield risk the life of the pilot by sending him where he can be a target.

 

[Quasar]

in certain kind of conflict and Against certain type of enemy for instance mountain rats, the list of advantages of utilizing turboprop engine aircraft is almost endless from logistics to operational readiness, to weapon capacity...

 

[Maxpane]

congrats to our turk brothers

 

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Hursim - Hurkus simulator. Hursim will be interoperable with KT-1T simulators, meaning pilots of both platforms can be connected and a joint simulation of more than 4 planes can be achieved between two simulator types - This is only possible because Havelsan the Turkish manufacturer of military simulators produces them.

Here you can see joint simulation training, the other pilot is in another simulator at Havelsan facilities.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Here you can see joint simulation training, the other pilot is in another simulator at Havelsan facilities.

God, I hate when they show such views of simulators , instead of first person views of the trainee.
these angels just tend to make these fantastic peace of engineering look likes child toys .

building a modern simulator is just as hard as building an airplanes

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkish CAS fighter group will be one of the most promising one in region. Hürjet with 3t payload, 45000ft altitude and 1,2Mach speed while Hürkuş with 1,5t payload, 580km/h speed and 35000ft altitude performance. Those two aircraft will play an important role to provide a cost-effective solution to destruct enemy/terror assets...

building a modern simulator is just as hard as building an airplanes

Havelsan is one of the unique institute which is able to design/develop and produce simulator technologies from hardware to image/graphic generator softwares. They have a wide range of products from airliners to helicopters, fighters, submarine, artillery simulators...etc

 

[Hack-Hook]

Havelsan is one of the unique institute which is able to design/develop and produce simulator technologies from hardware to image/graphic generator softwares. They have a wide range of products from airliners to helicopters, fighters, submarine, artillery simulators...etc

If I'm not wrong only 6 country in the world build modern aircraft simulators .for many years we imported those system last year we built one for bell 206 and one for Cesna 172

About the CAS well I rather fly hurjet than Hurkus . it's just more appealing to my test