1971 War: Map of PAF air strikes on IAF bases & infrastructure.

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Thanks for sharing

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

LOL. U indians are pathetic whiners. Even your own website admits to IAF losses of 75 planes.

Indian Air Force Losses in the 1971 War.

by P V S Jagan Mohan



The Indian Air Force fought on two fronts during the 1971 War. Employing nearly 600 Combat aircraft ranging from New MiG-21 and Sukhoi-7s to the Vintage Harvards and Vampires, the IAF flew nearly 7500 Sorties during the duration of the war. The Following is the list of Losses compiled by us through Various Sources published ever since. You will come up with some startling figures when you go through them, like finding out that 23 aircraft were lost in a matter of two days on both the fronts, or the High number of Hunter Losses. A surprising trend is the increase in attrition of the Canberra . The Losses are given first for the Eastern Sector and then for the Western Sector. Some of the Articles in the 71 War Section give details of the losses. The Figures given below were intially estimated as 61, However have been revised to 75 after the release of the Times of India's Official History of the 1971 War. For the sake of completeness, I have included figures of Army and Naval Aircraft losses as well.

Source:Copyright © BHARAT RAKSHAK. All rights reserved.

Its pakistani fanboys that are pathetic whiners,bulk of those aircraft were ground attack su-7s and hunter in bomber configurations doing sorties which totally shut down PAF in the west,destroyed it in the east and reduced karachi to a flaming wreck.Large amount of the aircraft lost moreover were to AAA fire.
Just try and see the amount actually lost in fighter vs fighter[both in Air to air role] in dogfights before u wet ur pants.PAF ran away ,the mighty PAF was so scared they were nowhere to be seen for 2 days over longewala when PA was being slaughtered.And here they brag about shooting down some ground attack aircraft and boasting about AAA kills as fighter skill.Lol.

 

[Windjammer]

Obviously i will go with articles from people who were actually pilots in that war,not civilians.
Every neutral author knows IAF won air war in 1971 decisively,except PAF's buddy and instructor chuck yeager who had his own plane destroyed by IAF and went on a rant at indian embassy screaming and boasting PA would be in delhi in a week and demanding US declaration of war against india to usa embassy.

Now you are digressing to another level, no doubt, the IAF won in the Eastern sector because it had a majority of 10:1....ten IAF Squadrons, many equipped with MiG-21s against a solitary F-86 unit, do you see a moral there.!!!
Even before being grounded due to runway damage, N0.14 Squadron shot down 11 IAF aircraft in combat for the loss of Five.
Not a favourable ratio but still managed to shoot down more enemy planes than suffering loss.
In the last several pages, i don't think i mentioned Yeagar even once, but since you bring him up, it's a real shame that desperate to show some kills, Indian pilots never discriminated between civilian and military targets hence ended up destroying Yeagar's plane as well as a UN transporter, likewise if PAF pilots weren't so discriminative, then your former Gujarat energy minister would have been toast not to mention others who for the fear of being shot down by PAF jets, had to remove their dhotis and wave them out of their Helicopter as a white flag. The otherwise PAF's excellent performance got clouded by the events in Eastern sector....otherwise no joy for the IAF.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Now you are digressing to another level, no doubt, the IAF won in the Eastern sector because it had a majority of 10:1....ten IAF Squadrons, many equipped with MiG-21s against a solitary F-86 unit, do you see a moral there.!!!
Even before being grounded due to runway damage, N0.14 Squadron shot down 11 IAF aircraft in combat for the loss of Five.
Not a favourable ratio but still managed to shoot down more enemy planes than suffering loss.
In the last several pages, i don't think i mentioned Yeagar even once, but since you bring him up, it's a real shame that desperate to show some kills, Indian pilots never discriminated between civilian and military targets hence ended up destroying Yeagar's plane as well as a UN transporter, likewise if PAF pilots weren't so discriminative, then your former Gujarat energy minister would have been toast not to mention others who for the fear of being shot down by PAF jets, had to remove their dhotis and wave them out of their Helicopter as a white flag. The otherwise PAF's excellent performance got clouded by the events in Eastern sector....otherwise no joy for the IAF.

Ha ha if PAF was so enjoying its AIr superiority where was it when PA begged for help for over 2 days at longewala?Thats right hiding while su-7s and hunters pounded the hell out of its airbases?
Where were the dhoti busters when IAF wrecked karachi and turned it into a flaming wreck?Hiding under kameez?
Again and agian u people claim aircraft lost to ground fire as dogfight kills,and taking credit for shooting down hunters in bomber configuration and su-7s as testament to pilot skill lol.Even with AAMs PAF couldn't to squat against mig-21s and gnats and hunters in fighter configuration,only boasting about ground kills.Well americans lost hundreds of fighters to ground fire to vietnamese ,do vietnam claim that as proof of superior airforce.Only pak fanboys are capable of such distortion.

Facts speak louder than words,and fact is the all prevailing PAF which was winning all air fights as u claim was no where to be seen when karachi was burning or PA was being slaughtered by IAF.

 

[karan.1970]

Ha ha if PAF was so enjoying its AIr superiority where was it when PA begged for help for over 2 days at longewala?Thats right hiding while su-7s and hunters pounded the hell out of its airbases?
Where were the dhoti busters when IAF wrecked karachi and turned it into a flaming wreck?Hiding under kameez?
Again and agian u people claim aircraft lost to ground fire as dogfight kills,and taking credit for shooting down hunters in bomber configuration and su-7s as testament to pilot skill lol.Even with AAMs PAF couldn't to squat against mig-21s and gnats and hunters in fighter configuration,only boasting about ground kills.Well americans lost hundreds of fighters to ground fire to vietnamese ,do vietnam claim that as proof of superior airforce.Only pak fanboys are capable of such distortion.

Facts speak louder than words,and fact is the all prevailing PAF which was winning all air fights as u claim was no where to be seen when karachi was burning or PA was being slaughtered by IAF.

Relax dude.. Its a habit with some folks here to boast about some sporadic sixes they hit in a cricket match they lost miserably.. Let them have that..

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Hunters At Dawn - The Air Battle of Longewala (Part 2/2) - YouTube

At 2.55 of the video desperate hilarious message from PA tank commander calling for help.Apparently acc to you PAF was winning the air war,so where was it?in the later part of the video indian pilots agree that 2 fighters would be enough to stop attacks from 4 odd hunters.
Fact is PAF had already lost air war,had retreated from its FOBs,was just concentrating on defending remaining from IAF assaults and making some feeble night raid attacks.

 

[Windjammer]

Ha ha if PAF was so enjoying its AIr superiority where was it when PA begged for help for over 2 days at longewala?Thats right hiding while su-7s and hunters pounded the hell out of its airbases?
Where were the dhoti busters when IAF wrecked karachi and turned it into a flaming wreck?Hiding under kameez?
Again and agian u people claim aircraft lost to ground fire as dogfight kills,and taking credit for shooting down hunters in bomber configuration and su-7s as testament to pilot skill lol.Even with AAMs PAF couldn't to squat against mig-21s and gnats and hunters in fighter configuration,only boasting about ground kills.Well americans lost hundreds of fighters to ground fire to vietnamese ,do vietnam claim that as proof of superior airforce.Only pak fanboys are capable of such distortion.

Facts speak louder than words,and fact is the all prevailing PAF which was winning all air fights as u claim was no where to be seen when karachi was burning or PA was being slaughtered by IAF.

You talking your habitual nonsense, rather than spluttering your beetle nut juice all over the forum, tell me where was your five times larger air force when PAF wrecked your Mukerian rail yards, do you have any idea how many Indian tanks were destroyed in that raid, where were your MiGs when PAF carried out daring daylight raids on Utterlai and Pathankot. Did you get your saree in a twist when the Okha naval base burned for two days. Rather than blabbering left right and centre, apart from the shooting down of F-86s, show me one image of any PAF fighter being shot down by your super duper pilots....something like these MiGs going up in flames.
And don't forget, facts speak louder than words.

 

[ares]

The Western Air Situation

Pakistani military analysts writing after the War tried to make out that the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) was heavily outnumbered even in the West. One writer claims that Pakistan had just 10 squadrons against 44 fielded by India. Such absurd assertions notwithstanding, fact is in 1971 the Indian Air Force (IAF) had a total of about 34 effective combat squadrons plus three under strength Canberra bomber squadrons and one AN-12 transporter squadron, which as it turned out played a remarkable role as modified bombers during the War. Of these Indian squadrons, ten were in the East (plus one Canberra squadron) and four were kept as reserves for protecting the inner cities. This meant the IAf had about 20 front-line combat squadrons in the West. Some of the front-line Indian squadrons were broken up and posted at different stations. This could be one reason for confusion on the Pakistani air intelligence side - and considerable exaggeration.


The Pakistanis, according to the IISS (International Institute of Strategic Studies) Military Balance 1971, had 19 squadrons including two B-57B light bomber and one recce squadron. According to our studies, the Pakistanis had about 14 effective combat squadrons in the West excluding the B-57B bombers and recce aircraft. However, PAF squadrons tended to have more aircraft per squadron than the IAF. This was further bolstered by the acquisition of an unspecified number of F-86 Sabres, Mirage IIIs, Starfighters (from Jordan) and about 15 Chinese F-6s in the months prior to the war. These aircraft were not accounted for the IISS in its 1971 Military balance or in any other report. Also, the serviceability of PAF Sabres was much higher - meaning more aircraft could be fielded. The Indians had 16 aircraft per combat squadron but the effective availability during the war was 12 per squadron. Bomber and transporter squadron had 10 aircraft each of which about 6 to 8 were serviceable at any given time. Many PAF squadrons, in contrast, had as many as 25 aircraft. Thus, while the PAf was outnumbered in the West, at no point was it ever fighting against overwhelming odds.

More important, the PAF on the whole was far better equipped to fight a modern air war than the IAF. The Pakistanis, for instance, had very effective air-to-air missiles which the Indians lacked. American made Sidewinder missiles were fitted on Chinese-made F-6 aircraft, on Sabres and on Starfighters. These were accurate missiles and accounted for at least three kills by PAF fighters in air-to-air combat. The Indians had only their guns and cannons to rely on. The Soviet-made MiG-21 was the only aircraft in the IAF's inventory fitted with missiles. But the missiles - the infamous K-13 - were a poor copy of the American Sidewinders and were so useless that they were scrapped after the war.

The other major advantage, and a critical one, the Pakistanis had was their radar and communication system built by the Americans. In most parts, particularly Punjab, the PAF had a real time radar surveillance system, the ability to track low flying aircraft coming over Pakistan and the means to guide their aircraft right to intruding enemy aircraft. India had nothing in comparison. Instead of low level radar, the IAF had to rely on men posted near the borders. Every time a suspected enemy aircraft flew over, the observation post had to call in on their high frequency radio sets to warn the sector controllers. Even the medium and high level radar cover available to the IAF was poor with the result that each forward base had to earmark between one to two combat squadrons just for air defence. It was a primitive and wasteful system - and the Pakistanis knew it. The technologically inferior but numerically superior Indian Air Force could be tackled quite easily by a smaller but more modern force. This is what prompted the PAF to launch pre-emptive strikes against forward Indian air bases on 3 December 1971.

Within 30 minutes of the Pakistani President General Yahya Yahya Khan's declaration of war against India at 1630 hours on 3rd December 1971, Pakistani fighter bombers struck five Indian airfields - Srinagar, Avantipur, Pathankot, Amritsar and the advanced landing ground at Faridkot. More strikes by PAF B-57 bombers followed at night against Ambala, Agra, Halwara, Amritsar, Pathankot, Srinagar, Sirsa, Adampur, Nal, Jodhpur and Jamnagar. Not a single aircraft was destroyed in these raids and runways damaged were repaired within a matter of hours.

The IAF's counter strike in the west was mounted on much greater scale than in the east. Within hours of the first PAF strike, converted An-12s from No.44 Squadron (led by Wg Cmdr Vashist) struck ammunition dumps in the Changa Manga forests. In one of the first counter air sorties of the war, Sukhois from No.222 Squadron struck Risalwala air field, while aircraft from the No.101 attacked Pasrur. The No.101 was to later become involved in providing support to the 10 Infantry Division in the Sialkot Sector, eventually destroying over 60 enemy tanks. Keamri oil installations near Karachi harbour were struck twice on the 4th by a three ship Hunter formations. And No.27 Squadron's Hunters continuously strafed enemy positions around Poonch and Chhamb. The four antiquated Harvard/Texans of the IAF also joined in ground support missions, their slow speed being particularly useful in hitting enemy gun emplacements in the valleys and gorges of Kashmir. Three counter air strikes were mounted on the 4th by Hunters of No.20 Squadron against PAF airfields at Peshawar, Chaklala and Kohat. The raids left 8 aircraft destroyed on the ground, including at least 1 Mirage III. Maruts from No.10 Squadron were heavily involved in counter air operations, hitting targets upto 200 miles inside Pakistani territory.

The second day of the war began with a Canberra strike against Masroor air base and other strategic installations around Karachi. A force of eight Canberras flying lo-lo over the Arabian sea set strategic and military installations around Karachi alight. A similar raid was mounted on the 6th. The success of these missions being confirmed by Photo Recon. Canberras reporting "the biggest blaze ever seen over South Asia". On the 5th , one four-ship formation from No.20 struck Chaklala for a second time in as many days destroying a C-130 and an Twin Otter on the ground. A second four-ship formation went for radar installation around Lahore and Walton. And a third raid by No.20 was mounted against the radar site at Sakesar, unfortunately two Hunters were lost during this mission. Later that day Maruts from the Nos. 10 and 220 Squadrons, and their MiG escorts moved against rail heads at Sundra, Rohri and Mirpur Khas. Between the 5th and the 12th , two Sukhoi squadrons flying form Halwara and Adampur repeatedly struck railway marshalling yards around Lahore.

One of the most celebrated actions of the 5th and 6th December is contribution of four Hunters from the ATW in the defeat of a Pakistani armoured force at Longewala. A previous section covers this in great detail. The AN-12s were also quite busy on the 6th. A bombing raid by the AN-12s early in the day destroyed a Pakistani brigade in the Haji Pir salient. Later that day HQ 18 (Pakistan) Division at Fort Abbas was bombed, as were areas around Bhawalpur.

The 7th of December got off to a rather bizarre start; a Marut from the No.220 Squadron, on its way back from a bombing raid against Rohri, actually engaged and brought down with cannon fire an F-86 sent up to intercept it. Surprisingly no Maruts were ever lost to enemy aircraft, although four were downed by ground fire. Two days later an enemy Shenyang F-6 was to be brought down by a ground attack aircraft - this time a Su-7 from No.32 Squadron. Between the 7th and the 12th, Sukhoi and Mystere Squadrons were engaged in support of I and XI Corps in the Fazilka-Ferozepur sector. The Indian Army's efforts in the Fazilka area were also assisted by bombing raids by No.44 Squadron's AN-12s. A four-ship formation flying at 180 ft above sea level struck Pakistani installations across from Fazilka on the 9th.

As fighting in the west intensified, the Pakistanis launched an offensive against Poonch on the 10th. To break up this offensive Canberras dropped 28,000 lbs. of ordnance on the enemy. On the 11th, in even larger interdiction sorties the Canberras delivered 36,000 lbs. of ordnance against enemy emplacements and tank farms. Despite the damage, the Canberras inflicted on the enemy, four of the force were lost to ground fire.

The war in 1971 revealed the true air-air combat capabilities of the MiG-21, altering perceptions held about it as an outcome of its disappointing performance in the Arab-Israeli war of 1967. The MiGs on both fronts had ample opportunity to engage the enemy in aerial combat. The five squadrons that served on the western front conducted frequent armed reconnaissance missions deep into enemy territory to lure out PAF fighters. All Su-7 and Marut raids were given MiG-21 cover. Unfortunately for the Indian pilots who flew in the northern sector (Western Air Command) there was little by way of aerial engagements. On the 11th a Gnat of the No.23 Squadron engaged and severely damaged a Mirage over Pathankot. Those who flew with the South Western Air Command were luckier. On the 12th a Jordanian F-104A Starfighter, on loan to the PAF was shot down by cannon fire by a MiG-21FL of No.47 Squadron flying from Jamnagar.

A Marut strike against Naya Chor on the 16th was intercepted by three PAF Shenyang F-6s. In the ensuing dogfight one of the F-6's was brought down by cannon fire from one of the two MiG escorts from the No.29 Squadron. No Indian aircraft were lost in the engagement and the Maruts were able to hit their targets. The following morning a low flying Starfighter was destroyed by a MiG-21 scrambled from Utterlai. A few hours later MiG-21 escorts of a Marut mission near Umarkot destroyed a pair of Starfighters.

While the hi performance MiGs were shooting down enemy fighters, the lumbering Antonovs were contributing more than their share to victory in the West. The Rohri railway yards which had remained under attack from day one of the war were hit by a pair of An-12s at dusk on the 13th. The following day the Antonovs delivered their coup-de-main against the enemy's fighting capabilities. On the evening of the 14th a three-ship formation of the Antonovs flying from Jodhpur struck the Sui Gas Plant. The damage caused by these aircraft was so extensive that it took six months to restore gas production at Sui to even 50% of capacity. Happily all three aircraft taking part in the mission were recovered safely, landing at Utterlai. Sadly however, that very night, Fg Offr N.S.Sekhon of the No.18 Squadron lost his life as he gallantly engaged 6 enemy Sabres over Srinagar by himself. Before being shot down Sekhon's Gnat managed to score hits on two of the enemy for which he was awarded the Param Vir Chakra posthumously.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

@Windjammer,ares has in the previous post already answered for me.As for getting my saree in a twist what abt ur burqa when IAF massacred PA for over 2 days,just shows the pathetic situation of the PAF in 1971.2 days IAF slaughtered ur ground forces ,and not a single aircraft was sent to help.4 hunters crushed them,PAF had fled from FOBs and couldn't give any support,a couple of sabres would have done it.
With aim-9 missiles,PAF ran from gun equipped fighters.Lol.

 

[GoodBoy]

@Windjammer,ares has in the previous post already answered for me.As for getting my saree in a twist what abt ur burqa when IAF massacred PA for over 2 days,just shows the pathetic situation of the PAF in 1971.2 days IAF slaughtered ur ground forces ,and not a single aircraft was sent to help.4 hunters crushed them,PAF had fled from FOBs and couldn't give any support,a couple of sabres would have done it.
With aim-9 missiles,PAF ran from gun equipped fighters.Lol.

They know ALL but cherrypicking to put ointments on their wounds.

 

[ares]

Who Won the Air War?

One of the last enduring debates on the 1971 War is the outcome of the air war. Both sides continue to claim that it won the air war. This debate continues because victory in the air is more difficult to quantify than victory on land or sea. In the land and sea wars, India emerged as the clear victor both in terms of objectives attained and losses/gains versus the enemy. In the air war, even estimates of losses on both sides are widely divergent. Immediately after the war, the official Indian Government figures given out were 86 Pakistan Air Force (PAF) aircraft destroyed as against 42 Indian Air Force (IAF) lost. The Pakistanis later claimed that they had actually won the air war by destroying over a 100 Indian aircraft while losing only 36 of their own. The truth, as usual, is somewhere in between.

Unlike in 1965, the Indian Air Force in 1971 handled claims of aerial victories by its pilots with great maturity. No "kills" were awarded until all claims could be verified, preferably by photo reconnaissance missions. Almost immediately after the War was over, the Air Chief asked the Halwara station commander, Air Marshal C.V.Gole, to visit every IAF station in the West to ascertain the performance of various squadrons. "Later, we had access to other information as well and we worked out a pretty accurate picture of losses on both sides", he explains. But discrepancies could well remain. For instance, Gole recalls that one SAM battery had fired missiles at a couple of attacking Pakistani B-57 bombers. One was hit and streaming smoke. A few hours later, some villagers called to say that they had found the debris of the Pakistani aircraft. On investigation it was found that what remained was not the debris of an aircraft but that of a missile. The hit was not taken into account. It was only much after the war that some Pakistani report spoke about a B-57 pilot who had become "Shaheed" after he tried to bail out his burning aircraft but could not make it.

Pakistani claims of their own losses are less than reliable. The main cause of this confusion has to do with various "Official" histories of the PAF quoting different figures. It has been estimated by some observers, based on signal intercepts from the PAF, that the PAF lost at least seventy-two aircraft (including at least fifty-five combat types). Pakistan itself admits to the loss of twenty-nine combat aircraft on the ground. Only 16 were claimed to have been shot down over India. Add to this the 13 Sabres destroyed by the PAF itself at Dhaka. Even then the figure comes to 58. However, a lot of this is inaccurate.


Combat Aircraft Losses
Description Pakistan India
Air to Air 19 19
Ground Fire 15 35
On Ground 29 2
Total 63 56
* Combat aircraft and bomber losses only. Transporters and Recce PAF aircraft shot down or destroyed on the ground not included.
** PAF losses include 13 aircraft destroyed by PAF on the ground at Dhaka.

The PAF lost many more aircraft on the ground not only because the Indians launched many more counter air operations than the Pakistanis but also because the PAF itself destroyed 13 of its Sabres in Dhaka within a few days of the war. PAF's No. 14 squadron with about 18 aircraft felt it had been abandoned by its higher command and left to face the onslaught of ten full Indian squadrons. After a couple of gallant actions by Pakistani pilots, the PAF commanders in East Pakistan appear to have decided that the game was not worth the effort. The last aerial engagement in East Pakistan took place on 4 December.

Even if the Pakistani claim that the Indians lost more aircraft is accepted, does it suggest that the Pakistanis won the air war? The answer is a clear no. Because war, in the ultimate analysis, is not a numbers game. Winning a war has to do with achieving clear objectives. For the IAF, the aim was twofold: first, to prevent the PAF from messing with the Indian Army's advances, logistics and launching points; and second, to seriously impair Pakistan's capacity to wage war. The PAF's job was to do the opposite. The pre-emptive air strikes on 3rd December were aimed at knocking out a good part of the IAF while it was on the ground. This failed for the simple reason that the Indians had learnt their lessons of the 1965 war and had constructed fortified pens and bunkers to store their aircraft. More important, young IAF fliers proved they had the grit to go out and fight, even if it meant losing one's life.

By the end of the first week of the war, PAF fighters in the West appeared to have lost their will to fight. By this time, the IAF was repeatedly hitting secondary targets including railway yards, cantonments, bridges and other installations as well as providing close air support to the Army wherever it was required. The most dangerous were the close air support missions which involved flying low and exposing aircraft to intense ground fire. The IAF lost the most aircraft on these missions as is proved by the high losses suffered by IAF Sukhoi-7 and Hunter squadrons. But their pilots flew sortie after sortie keeping up with the Army and disrupting enemy troop and tank concentrations.

Once it was known that the Indian Army was knocking at the gates of Dhaka, the PAF in the West virtually gave up flying. During the last few days of the war, the IAF brass ordered attacks on PAF airfields with the sole purpose of drawing out their aircraft. But that rarely succeeded as the PAF aircraft for the most part remained secured inside their pens, refusing to come out and fight. The strongest indictment of the Pakistani Air Force was made not by an Indian but by the Pakistani leader, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who took over from General Yahya Yahya Khan after the 1971 defeat. On taking over, he made a speech in which he castigated the PAF chief Air Marshal Rahim Khan and several other officers by name.

A better analysis of effectiveness of the two air forces is provided by the losses per sortie figure. The IAF flew at least double the number of combat sorties per day than the PAF, thereby exposing itself to ground fire and enemy interdiction. Despite this, the IAF's attrition rate of 0.86 per 100 sorties during the 1971 War compares favourably with the Israeli rate of 1.1 in the Yom Kippur War. The PAF's overall attrition rate works out to 2.47 (including transporters and recce aircraft lost on the ground). If aircraft destroyed on the ground are not taken into account, the rate works out to 1.12, which is still very high given that PAF aircraft never really stood back to fight.

The question of loss is important but, in the ultimate analysis, secondary. Achieving air superiority cost the IAF dearly in 1971 but in the end it managed to achieve complete dominance over the skies in both East and West Pakistan.

 

[Jayanta]

No matter what, the 1971 war is one of the shortest wars fought with the Pakistanis surrendering within 2 weeks with more than 90k POW's. It doesn't matter who scored what, what matters is the final result...and there is no doubt about it.

 

[Kompromat]

No matter what, the 1971 war is one of the shortest wars fought with the Pakistanis surrendering within 2 weeks with more that 90k POW's. It doesn't matter who scored what, what matters is the final result...and there is no doubt about it.

Great, now your frustration is out....so should you be out of this thread.

 

[karan.1970]

And don't forget, facts speak louder than words.

Indeed they do.. Now feed these coordinates (23°42′0″N 90°22′30″E) in Google maps/earth and the biggest undeniable fact about that war will present it self

 

[MM_Haider]

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