1971 war a RAW success?

[Syed Naved]

There could be some. But not like many...

Zab,I think u dont have proper knowledge as you are not in Medical site, But what mr.Iajdani has said is absolutely true .

 

[Syed Naved]

Reason is education ,especially medical education is very expensive in India, plus it is really tough to get in government colleges,

BD has some good colleges, and since all these were established by British, we have similiar courses too..so could be possible that due to cheap quality education they might be moving to BD

well here i want to say something. Medical system oF trio means , " Pak-BD-India " was same , but in present time Pakistan & Bangladesh's Medical curriculam is almost same to same.Our difference with India Is this, India follows " Semister sytem " & We follow " Term System " like Pakistan.
And yes, Medical Education is cheap here than India & For these reasons Kashmiri Girls come to bangladesh,and yes ofcourse a large number of them are getting education from our govt & non govt medical college.
And Most Of them study in rajsahi Medical college ( govt med ) , among non govt uttora womens one of the.But most of the kashmiries are found in Rajsahi.
Nepalis are In Rangpur Medical College & Pakistanis in Shaheed Zia Ur Rehman Medical In Bogra,thn comes DMCH,SSMCH , Barisal Medical Etc Govt medical college.

 

[illusion8]

It was an honest question. Did not mean to flame..



Come to Uttara and specially in Uttara Women Medical College. Bunch of them are here.

Must be some exchange students or such. Or the universities would have offered attractive schemes and would have organised a camp or such in Kashmir.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

I agree that history is always written with a certain bias and narratives are fed to the People with an even more pronounced bias but some of us, Kashmiris, really are loyal to Pakistan !

Can you tell what Kashmiri people (both indian and Pakistani parts) want? So far I know most of them want a free Kashmir not to be a state of either india or Pakistan.

 

[manofwar]

Can you tell what Kashmiri people (both indian and Pakistani parts) want? So far I know most of them want a free Kashmir not to be a state of either india or Pakistan.

And Ironically, this is one solution that is not possible and will not work anyways
Can't say about Pakistani part, but the Indian state of J&K , because of having unfavourable conditions , both natural and war related, have resulted in very few large industries except tourism. And no naion can survive on tourism alone, certainly not one at the center of the counttries looking to capture or control it...................

 

[ghauri05]

I do support justice for the victims of 71'. Particularly that of the intellectuals for the sake of their family honor. But from my observation, we are really just beating about the bush.

I also support the justice but in this particular case we should understand that army was just obeying orders and that is its duty.The orders may come from either Bhutto or Yehya so the are responsible for the bloodshed in BD but unfortunately none of them is alive today. so how can we hope for justice in this particular case.

 

[Syed Naved]

whatever happened in 1971 no body can change it now, all of us have some pieces of information but not the complete true story.I have one question here (if we suppose that independence of Bengal was necessary) why bengalis supported mukti bahni they should get freedom as all of us got from britain I mean politically. They supported mukti bahni , Bhutto and Yehya got the excuse to launch operation and as the situation became worse india jumped into the scene.

It's my question also brother. From my point of view , " One can Fight With The govt,Political Leader,Dictators But Can't Help enemy ",
so idk what others think, but I only want to say u this, If ppl Bealive & practice Quaid's view seriously and try to understand it minimum 1 % , Our united pakistan wud never broke.
Quaid Once told, " forget whether you are sindh,balooch,pathan,punjabi , bangal .only remember that you are a pakistani ".
but ppl forget tht.
moreover Muzib brain washed ppl specialy the students & no doubt that India helps him a lot in this work.
Moreover whn there's Bhutto like ediot ....
So you can say Bhutto,muzib,indira,india responsible for this.
About Mukti it's nothing but was a terrorist group ,& and supporting mukti totaly was wrong.
If all the problms solved politicaly that was best

 

[PlanetSoldier]

There could be some. But not like many...

In fact many, every year there are some Kashmiri students getting enrolled in KUET and Khulna University and I didn't know about Uttara Women Medical College as iajdani just said. So, in total that will be many.

 

[Syed Naved]

I also support the justice but in this particular case we should understand that army was just obeying orders and that is its duty.The orders may come from either Bhutto or Yehya so the are responsible for the bloodshed in BD but unfortunately none of them is alive today. so how can we hope for justice in this particular case.

Infact , many army peronel stil did not know that , by the biharis a lot of bengalis were killed .they killed bangals using pk armies name. If I dont wrong, in a book ,SAM Manekshaw himself said," 80,000 soldiers of Indian army was sent to east pakistan in diguise of pak army & civilian/mukti to kill the muslims of east pakistan " .
So,when manekshaw can say this,why you guys blamin only pak army !!
Culprit Was Indira,Muzib,Bhutto,Yahya,India not Pakistan or pk army.
Because army was simply obeyin their duty,infct none of them had deart to kill their muslim brothers And many units like
baloooch regiment never fire a single bullet or kill any civilian means bengali

 

[LaBong]

Yes I see thousands of Kashmiris lining up in front of BD embassy for want of visas, Kashmiris die to get into BD!

 

[TopCat]

Yes I see thousands of Kashmiris lining up in front of BD embassy for want of visas, Kashmiris die to get into BD!

I dont know man, but BD seems very popular in Kashmir.

Last time in SAARC women soccer contest, one of the Afhgan girl said that her parents allowed her to come only because BD is a muslim country. That's probably a reason, who knows.

I am not saying BD is a safer place for girls but some psychology does work here.

 

[Armstrong]

Can you tell what Kashmiri people (both indian and Pakistani parts) want? So far I know most of them want a free Kashmir not to be a state of either india or Pakistan.

To be honest...I dunno ! An overwhelmingly majority, from what I know, in AJK want to be with Pakistan but then you've got JKLF sympathisers there in who'd rather go for an Independent Kashmir altogether. The Northern Areas on the other-hand (which were part of the Princely State of Kashmir) have reiterated their difference from the rest of Kashmir because of a different culture, language and ethnicity as proof enough to be dealt with as a separate entity altogether; consequently one of their greatest grievance against the Government of Pakistan is that they haven't been incorporated as the 5 th Province of the Country but instead they've been ruled by a Political Agent of the Federal Government, however that has changed in recent years with the Northern Areas or Gilgit Baltistan as they're called now have a de facto Provincial Status with an elected legislative assembly of their own ! Naturally Independence isn't their desire but better Governance and greater incorporation with the rest of Pakistan is.

As for the Indian Side - thats the bit I'm not too sure about ! I mean the few relatives I have who decided to stay back in '47 are fiercely pro-Pakistan but then again there is also a very pronounced pro-Independence movement going on there as well ! I think had Pakistan not so badly handled the Kashmir situation by helping train and arm the Kashmiri youth that had come to Pakistan for the same two things and then gone back to fight against the Indian Armed Forces, we might not have alienated the common Kashmiri who may or may not have lost loved ones due to collateral damage that guerilla warfare involves ! But I'm sure there are those in Kashmir who are so preoccupied with the basic necessity of life that they'd just want better Governance. Plus the Hindus and the Buddhist who are in a majority in Ladakh and Jammu would, I assume, want to stay with India instead of either Independence or Pakistan !

As for us - the assimilated Kashmirs who've been living here in mainland Pakistan for decades and sometimes well before the Partition and have assimilated to the extent that we've practically forgotten our original culture and languages - we're Pakistanis ! Period ! And whatever bond we may have with Kashmir it isn't remotely overpowering enough for us to choose Kashmir over Pakistan !

Hope that helps but to be honest the facts are all fudged up and we may not know what the ground realities are unless its ever put to the test through an electoral process ! And that isn't something I foresee happening ! However if there is a unanimity between, I think, the Kashmiris from either side its that there should be a closure of the conflict and the outstanding issues !

 

[kobiraaz]

why only uttara, RMCH or in rajsahi medical college is the best example,most of the Indian kashmiries come here for study.

Thats because kahmiri girls of DU lives together in Uttara, and other Kashmiris are settling there ...... I have two in my class, they live in our campus hostel anyway.

whatever happened in 1971 no body can change it now, all of us have some pieces of information but not the complete true story.I have one question here (if we suppose that independence of Bengal was necessary) why bengalis supported mukti bahni they should get freedom as all of us got from britain I mean politically. They supported mukti bahni , Bhutto and Yehya got the excuse to launch operation and as the situation became worse india jumped into the scene.

an honest question to you, why do you think free syrian army is fighting ? They should have opted for political solution right?

 

[Armstrong]

Thats because kahmiri girls of DU lives together in Uttara, and other Kashmiris are settling their ...... I have two in my class, they live in our campus hostel anyway.

Dude, you're a Doctor ?

 

[PlanetSoldier]

@ No iajdani! the Kashmiri girls are cute so RAW planted it ?

Both boys and girls come and they are heavily influenced by bollywood love story .