1965 war

[Baltistan scouts]

Where did this come from !

look back if you can , back in 62 Pakistan was firmly with the US led CENTO & SEATO pacts. Assuming that China did ‘ ask’ as suggested, would Pak have risked supporting a communist nation over the west ?

All the western nations supported a communist supporting nation of india in 1965.big mistake of pakistan being in seato and cento

OP presents quite an imaginary scenario. The fact is that whole of 1965 debacle was ill conceived.

The idea was good but not carried out well enough instead of pushing ssg troops in to help start uprising a full scale invasion in to kashmir would worked better with coordination between in both wings of pakistan and the time india crossed ib east pakistani troops should have crossed in chicken neck in northeast and cutting tripura state off aswell

 

[Ultima Thule]

The idea was good but not carried out well enough instead of pushing ssg troops in to help start uprising a full scale invasion in to kashmir would worked better with coordination between in both wings of pakistan and the time india crossed ib east pakistani troops should have crossed in chicken neck in northeast and cutting tripura state off aswell

Not good idea at all

 

[Baltistan scouts]

All the western nations supported a communist supporting nation of india in 1965.big mistake of pakistan being in seato and cento


The idea was good but not carried out well enough instead of pushing ssg troops in to help start uprising a full scale invasion in to kashmir would worked better with coordination between in both wings of pakistan and the time india crossed ib east pakistani troops should have crossed in chicken neck in northeast and cutting tripura state off aswell

Not good idea at all

Why do you think that it was not .or you dont like it cause it would be successful

 

[Ultima Thule]

Why do you think that it was not .or you dont like it cause it would be successful

Its diveded PA strength from northern and eastern front, if we sent full force at north (IOK) then what happens in the Eastern fronts I.E. IB (international border) of Punjab and Sindh, we were facing 7 times bigger enemy at IB

 

[Baltistan scouts]

Eastern front punjab and sindh would be a defensive action and all our troops would not have been needed in the north 150000 troops in iok would be sufficient to have made inroads into rajouri and poonch.also operations into assam and tripura would negate any action taken by indian army.any gains made by india could not be held after pakistan troops marched into srinager.bargaining chip in north east by cutting access to assam would have caused india to run to the un

 

[Signalian]

I was recently talking to my father who had fought in 1965 war in azad kashmir.He said to me that his brigade commander said to him at the time that ehen india crossed ib to relieve troops pakistan should have crossed border in East Pakistan across the chicken neck in assam and would have easily have captured it which would resulted in india losing the north east in a single blow .it would have halted the western offensive across ib and would have given us a big bargaining chip .the siliguri corrodor would have given us border with china .nepal.bhutan

He is right.
In 1957-58, there was clash on East Pak-India border when Indian troops crossed into Pakistan and made positions. PA responded and threw Indians out making POWs in the process.

14th Inf Div could have made a move, infact would surely have made a move if India attacked East Pakistan.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Eastern front punjab and sindh would be a defensive action and all our troops would not have been needed in the north 150000 troops in iok would be sufficient to have made inroads into rajouri and poonch.also operations into assam and tripura would negate any action taken by indian army.any gains made by india could not be held after pakistan troops marched into srinager.bargaining chip in north east by cutting access to assam would have caused india to run to the un

oh mere bhai, ther were merely 150000-250000 soldiers in PA at 65 war, we had shortage of soldiers especially in Sindh, we (PA) asked Hur Volunteers to safe our @$$ in Sindh which they did perfectly, and there were no strong impact on Indian army because its was 7 times bigger than PA and weaken because of divisions of force/power, if this would happen me and you are not talking it but would became part/ slave of India

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Keep it simple. Pakistan failed in its objective to acquire Kashmir or make it an independent country. India successfully defended Kashmir. That's it.

 

[Inception-06]

Keep it simple. Pakistan failed in its objective to acquire Kashmir or make it an independent country. India successfully defended Kashmir. That's it.

It's not Hamzas character to replay to such posts, neither I have something against Indians, no I do underestimate the Indian Military, but your post is absolutely an invitation, which must be countered and conquered.

Still, the earth will rotate and the whole humanity has not killed itself from this Planet, the resolve for Kashmir will be finished by each and every Pakistani, till our last blood, and last breath, if not me then my daughters and sons, will bring back the equality, we will choke the Indian tyranny in occupied Kashmir with pure hands!

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

It's not Hamzas character to replay to such posts, neither I have something against Indians, no I do underestimate the Indian Military, but your post is absolutely an invitation, which must be countered and conquered.

Still, the earth will rotate and the whole humanity has not killed itself from this Planet, the resolve for Kashmir will be finished by each and every Pakistani, till our last blood, and last breath, if not me then my daughters and sons, will bring back the equality, we will choke the Indian tyranny in occupied Kashmir with pure hands!


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I hope you have the same resolve for what's happening in the Middle East, Afghanistan where Muslims are killing Muslims. Sunni, Shia, Ahmedi mosques,etc are being blown up. In China as well, where Pakistan's best friend is putting Muslims in detention camps.

 

[Inception-06]

I hope you have the same resolve for what's happening in the Middle East, Afghanistan where Muslims are killing Muslims. Sunni, Shia, Ahmedi mosques,etc are being blown up. In China as well, where Pakistan's best friend is putting Muslims in detention camps.

I am borne in Pakistan, my resolve is only FIRST for Pakistan and Kashmir, after that, we will take care of the rest!

 

[Baltistan scouts]

oh mere bhai, ther were merely 150000-250000 soldiers in PA at 65 war, we had shortage of soldiers especially in Sindh, we (PA) asked Hur Volunteers to safe our @$$ in Sindh which they did perfectly, and there were no strong impact on Indian army because its was 7 times bigger than PA and weaken because of divisions of force/power, if this would happen me and you are not talking it but would became part/ slave of India

In 1947 when the british left troops division was 260000 to india and 140000 to pakistan .the indian army was not 7 times larger in 1965 it was 3 to 1 .the pakistan army had better equipment and to transfer to border was closer it would not have been as doom as gloom as you point out

 

[Ultima Thule]

In 1947 when the british left troops division was 260000 to india and 140000 to pakistan .the indian army was not 7 times larger in 1965 it was 3 to 1 .the pakistan army had better equipment and to transfer to border was closer it would not have been as doom as gloom as you point out

how many force structure we had in 65, we have 500,000 army currently please clarify, its a stupid idea to go through IOK and attack india from north, and 3 in 1 enough for PA at the time of 65

 

[Sehnsucht]

how many force structure we had in 65, we have 500,000 army currently please clarify, its a stupid idea to go through IOK and attack india from north, and 3 in 1 enough for PA at the time of 65

I think I have once read somewhere that PA had around 350,000 troops during 71.Don't remember where.
So, in 65 the number might have been a little less. Around 325,000 maybe?

Also, right now PA has about 550,000 active personnel.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I think I have once read somewhere that PA had around 350,000 troops during 71.Don't remember where.
So, in 65 the number might have been a little less. Around 325,000 maybe?

Also, right now PA has about 550,000 active personnel.

If we assume in 65 we had 300,00 active personal in 65 as @Baltistan scouts suggest that if we had to send 150,000 personal to concurs/invade India from north through IOK there much less chance to survive in extreme altitude and expose to the elements etc etc, so we could be literally throw those 150,000 troops into death zone and we had difficulty to fight India with let suppose 300,000 troops at our border what happened when these 150,000 troops would left for IOK, Pakistan could be doom in 65 if this stupid idea had ever taken place,stupid idea by @Baltistan scouts