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I will go for the spectrum analogy but with these changes. The BJP-supporting Shia at the end, the TJ next to them, the rest of the Shia somewhere towards the other end, the progressive Shia at the actual other end.

You guys (Muslims) are the experts, but has an Indian Shia ever attacked India?

Cutting quickly to the chase.

Cheers, Doc
 
Mumbai has something called as cooperative societies act and Model bye law, there is election for each society to select chairman, secretary.. these are generally everyday uncles who have Absolutely no idea what MCS act is and they pass resolutions in meetings that have no legal value- like dogs not allowed in elevator, no plants on window / balcony, no meat eater allowed in Jain Society (including hindu's).. you get the idea..

Either ways, after spending USD 700 to 1500 per square feet people expect peace of mind, hence irrational decisions. Irrespective of race, religion etc we are not allowed to sell our property without consulting/informing our neighbors. Some places like lodha altamount, even if you pay 2x, they don't sell u the property. Shivaji park area where I stay, Non Maharashtrians are absolutely not allowed, even laundry, milk, vegetable vendors have to be Maharashtrians.. Shabana Azmi or Amitabh Bachchan not allowed in our society :lol:

I like the "dogs not allowed in lifts" ( or anywhere else ), and the "no plants in window" ( I suppose for practical purpose ) but taking it to the extreme of barring religions or regionalities even for milk vendors is not fair. How then can Bombay be called a cosmopolitan city ? Imagine if these things were done in another big city like New York ?
 
You guys (Muslims) are the experts, but has an Indian Shia ever attacked India?

Cutting quickly to the chase.

Cheers, Doc

Was the Kunan-Poshpora incident targeting the Shia ? :)

But leave that aside. What I want is a progressive India where religion does not form divide. And one random thing. The UCC should be ideally acceptable to Indian Muslims because its implementation / laws will be similar to Islamic laws. Further, it will have my double support if general communist principles are applied ( Example, land becoming a public resource. This will remove almost all of the land disputes in India ).
 
Was the Kunan-Poshpora incident targeting the Shia ? :)

But leave that aside. What I want is a progressive India where religion does not form divide. And one random thing. The UCC should be ideally acceptable to Indian Muslims because its implementation / laws will be similar to Islamic laws. Further, it will have my double support if general communist principles are applied ( Example, land becoming a public resource. This will remove almost all of the land disputes in India ).

What does Kunan Poshpora have to do with Shias?

I asked you a simple question. My second, which is yet unanswered.

Has an Indian Shia ever attacked India?

The first was why you feel present day Shias are regressive. Still no answer. Just linear equations.

The UCC is another debate. Lets not conflate.

You know Indian Shias are my friends. You are also my friend. If one friend attacks another friend it is my duty to get to the bottom of the case. Please understand.

Cheers, Doc
 
Some recent photos of construction ongoing even during the pandemic.

Promises to be an epic structure with a lot of very beautiful stonework.

Material and men pouring in from across the country and the world.

This is faith at it deepest. And I am really really really happy for our Hindu brothers.





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Jai Sri Ram.
Jai Sri Ram !

Shabana Azmi or Amitabh Bachchan not allowed in our society :lol:
lol

yeah, have heard stories.

I know a few who managed to get into a xtian run one, very upper crusties though.
 
I like the "dogs not allowed in lifts" ( or anywhere else ),
you are perfect contender to become chairman of society.. dogs vs no dog is decision maker in some societies.

and the "no plants in window" ( I suppose for practical purpose )
it is because drainage from plant pots leave mud stains on building walls

but taking it to the extreme of barring religions or regionalities even for milk vendors is not fair. How then can Bombay be called a cosmopolitan city ? Imagine if these things were done in another big city like New York ?
Raj is literally our neighbor man :enjoy: it does not happen through-out mumbai. Anyways we leave our religion at home, on streets we are regular mumbaikars.. Muslims distribute sweets when lalbaughcha raja comes to byculla also perform aarti. My friend sadiq sheikh was treasurer of tardeo cha raja in 2018. hindus go to makhdoom baba also join urs celebration. Even mount mary fair you will find 90% people are muslims and hindus only 10% are Christians :rofl: I always find this funny, Christians must feel like we hijack their festival.
 
There is a big change, not for the better for Muslims with Modi and the BJP at the center...

Now it is different how a large part of majority religion people sees Muslims...with indoctrination from Sanghis, they see Muslims as aggressors, invaders and Jihadis, earlier what is called as appeasement was the right thing as minorities do need some perk and privileges, now they are alienated and at the fringe, not the rich class though.

The new normal has also led to Muslims view of India changed, again not for the better, they find themselves not owing the land and country, perceived as tenants and not loyal to India, which is not true...again this is a generalized view, there must be exceptions.

You are right nowadays hindu extremism is on the rise. But it is bound to get backseat once modi is out of power ,
 
What does Kunan Poshpora have to do with Shias?

I meant, does the common Shia person have any complaint against the Establishment ?

The first was why you feel present day Shias are regressive. Still no answer. Just linear equations.

Regressive in the sense of supporting a right-wing party through votes. As for regressive in internal cultural practices I don't know much about them. Here, I see the older women wearing chadors. I don't know about the younger women and the men.

Anyways we leave our religion at home, on streets we are regular mumbaikars..

Good to hear that.
 
You are right nowadays hindu extremism is on the rise. But it is bound to get backseat once modi is out of power ,

I like @dharmi 's way of putting it ... in a way the larger audience here would understand.

We non-sanghi patriots are waiting for the Sufi Hindus to take back over.

Cheers, Doc
 
Even mount mary fair you will find 90% people are muslims and hindus only 10% are Christians :rofl: I always find this funny, Christians must feel like we hijack their festival.

That brings to mind this song from the film Jhankaar Beats.
 

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