16th Feb Induction ceremony of thunders in No.14 Sqn

[mingle]

I will be happy when these F7 and Mirages will retire Goodbye BaBa Gs

 

[fanna4paf2]

when to see logo of tail copper on thunder. can anyone have logo of tail copper

 

[bloo]

What Block?

 

[ziaulislam]

Only 16 AC's for PAF or on the whole including export? But we were promised 24 examples for 2016 by PAC.

we already saw "ruby" thunders in assembly pictures for Myanmar.
possibly some were produced for nigeria as well

PAF budget is an issue as well even at 25-30 million a piece, total cost of 50 planes is 1.5 billion dollars. whole 250 order would be in excess of 7-8 billion dollars

 

[Shabi1]

Only 16 AC's for PAF or on the whole including export? But we were promised 24 examples for 2016 by PAC.

They also updated Block-1s to Block-2 configuration so that was added workload.

 

[razgriz19]

Only 16 AC's for PAF or on the whole including export? But we were promised 24 examples for 2016 by PAC.

16 ready for duty. It doesn't mean more aren't built already, they could be in flight testing phase or last phases of final assembly

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

we already saw "ruby" thunders in assembly pictures for Myanmar.
possibly some were produced for nigeria as well

PAF budget is an issue as well even at 25-30 million a piece, total cost of 50 planes is 1.5 billion dollars. whole 250 order would be in excess of 7-8 billion dollars

That $25-30m unit cost is inclusive of the fighter and multi-year maintenance and logistics. The latter element (maintenance) would be absorbed within the PAF's annual budget, which will also see some freedom after retiring the F-7Ps. Moreover, many of the spare parts are also built locally thanks to the work share agreement, so the added maintenance cost of the JF-17 (in comparison to the F-7P) is even thinner. Basically, the upfront cost for the PAF is the cost of labour and materials. We already sunk the development cost via the partnership, so the flyaway cost is on paper. These are the advantages of having an in-house fighter.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

What Block?

Block II

 

[Hell hound]

after this upgrade how many squadron will still be operating f 7p (not pg)

 

[Ultimate Weapon]

Now the do their tail chopping job more easily.

Joyous moment.

 

[MystryMan]

"We were promised" ??? By whom

IIRC both chairman PAC and Air Chief said that the production will be increased from current 16 to 24 aircraft's in 2016 .

16 ready for duty. It doesn't mean more aren't built already, they could be in flight testing phase or last phases of final assembly

May be they have planned out the production rate so that there is no idle time before switching the production between block 2 to block 3. This may be due to delays in block-3 production.

 

[Tank131]

we already saw "ruby" thunders in assembly pictures for Myanmar.
possibly some were produced for nigeria as well

can you direct me to that picture? thx

 

[ziaulislam]

That $25-30m unit cost is inclusive of the fighter and multi-year maintenance and logistics. The latter element (maintenance) would be absorbed within the PAF's annual budget, which will also see some freedom after retiring the F-7Ps. Moreover, many of the spare parts are also built locally thanks to the work share agreement, so the added maintenance cost of the JF-17 (in comparison to the F-7P) is even thinner. Basically, the upfront cost for the PAF is the cost of labour and materials. We already sunk the development cost via the partnership, so the flyaway cost is on paper. These are the advantages of having an in-house fighter.

it s a 50-50-% patnership, so half of the profit goes to CAC as well, the other half goes back to PAF.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

it s a 50-5-% patnership, so half of the profit goes to CAC as well, the other half goes back to PAF.

The profit is only one part, and it's a very welcome addition. But the savings are in the fact that we can spend rupees to get JF-17 components produced, and in turn, employ Pakistanis to do it. Basically, defence expenditure becomes a stimulus for the local economy. This is where the savings comes in, regardless of the profit. Money going into JF-17 is largely still money going back into Pakistan.

 

[khanasifm]

after this upgrade how many squadron will still be operating f 7p (not pg)

Leaves 18 sqn f7p ocu which will be covered by remaining block 2 ending block 2 production

Block 3 will replace 3 f7pg sqn 17, 20 and 23
lBock 4 and 5 ( approx 100 a/c)??) will replace all remaining mirage sqn 7,8,15,22,25 and 27 provided no other a.c replaces 25 and 27 role of deep strike with night attack, like additional one or 2 new f16 sqn or some other new a/c