14 dead in shooting at San Bernardino, Calif., center for disabled; 3 suspects on loose

[Adil Mehmood]

There was quick mudslinging over Pakistan followed by the attacks. It was said that a married couple entered the centre & opened fire instantly. Man is said to be the son of a Pakistani based American family and women allegedly belong to ISIS being a Pakistani Citizen.
What i personally observed that attack was pre planed not by terrorists but by some unknown American forces as they instantly called incident an act of terror instead of having a deep analysis that it might based upon personal conflicts. Pakistan FO is still in coma & haven't responded to allegations yet. Some forces trying to defame Islam and Pakistan by linking it wiyh terrorism and ISIS.

 

[Styx]

How do you stop someone from making a pipe bomb though, since bullets (and thus gunpowder) is so easy to buy.

Would you be suspicious if a neighbour bought a gun with a lot of bullets?

Hell, I'm a bit of a gun enthusiast myself, if I lived in America I would probably buy a ton of guns. In HK we only have shooting ranges but no private ownership of guns.

What baffles me about these terrorists though, is that they clearly have no sense of self-preservation, YET they are so careful about hiding their true identities from their neighbours and friends. They are so worried that they will die before they complete their "mission"?

If someone is so desperate to die, why not just become a Heroin junkie and die in a dark room somewhere. Why do terrorists see their mission as being so important, and for no Earthly reward. It is so illogical.

because there's way more emphasis on the rewards in the afterlife than here in our transient reality for the saudi ideology fundamentalists...

and they really do believe it's a holy war for god and that they're all getting a mansion in heaven and a few other perks to go with it.. barely legal 72

you have to wonder what the women are rewarded with, 2 full basketball teams as all purpose slaves maybe ?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

This is where you are wrong. What they did was very logical.

You have to think of what they did in terms of warfare because this is exactly what it is -- war between forces.

If the mission is most likely or even certain that will claim the lives of the participants, then all measures must be taken to ensure that the end goal of the mission is accomplished. Since the mission required a lot of preparation, you must take steps to ensure your preparation of resources is not disturbed. If precautions requires disguises or some kinds of covert actions -- do so. The goal is to inflict as much damages to the other side as possible, not to do things that will result in one's death. As to the Earthly rewards, the belief is that the Heavenly rewards are much greater, if anything, the Heavenly rewards is supposed to match the level of dedication and accomplishments done on Earth.

These people are not desperate to die. Rather, they are desperate to produce results and accomplishments. Plus, there are no uniforms, hierarchies, or even clear orders involved, and that is what make this kind of warfare even more dangerous than conventional warfare.

Jihadis are self motivated and self driven

There is enough motivational material available to them
both historically and contemporarily

 

[NP-complete]

Its easily spotted as fake. There is a mismatch of perspective and texture.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

This is where you are wrong. What they did was very logical.

You have to think of what they did in terms of warfare because this is exactly what it is -- war between forces.

If the mission is most likely or even certain that will claim the lives of the participants, then all measures must be taken to ensure that the end goal of the mission is accomplished. Since the mission required a lot of preparation, you must take steps to ensure your preparation of resources is not disturbed. If precautions requires disguises or some kinds of covert actions -- do so. The goal is to inflict as much damages to the other side as possible, not to do things that will result in one's death. As to the Earthly rewards, the belief is that the Heavenly rewards are much greater, if anything, the Heavenly rewards is supposed to match the level of dedication and accomplishments done on Earth.

These people are not desperate to die. Rather, they are desperate to produce results and accomplishments. Plus, there are no uniforms, hierarchies, or even clear orders involved, and that is what make this kind of warfare even more dangerous than conventional warfare.

What are they actually achieving though.

They kill 14 innocent people, then what? It just strengthens the resolve of people to wipe out terrorists.

How does it benefit the terrorist leaders, or these two individuals themselves. I guess ISIL can use it as recruiting propaganda to do what, the same thing again?

And if they believe they will receive reward in Heaven for being terrorists, then there must be something wrong with them. They abandoned their kid on Earth in the hands of their enemies even.

 

[gambit]

Jihadis are self motivated and self driven

There is enough motivational material available to them
both historically and contemporarily

Our Army friend Garry can probably explains better than an Air Force guy like me, but essentially, this team is structurally and organizationally the same as any 'resistance' groups/movements in any conventional war. Self motivated, cautious, autonomous, and belief in 'The Cause'. If it is possible discrete teams can communicate with each other to coordinate actions, they will do so, but if not possible, then any individual action will have no detrimental effects on the ability of the other teams to accomplish their missions.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Our Army friend Garry can probably explains better than an Air Force guy like me, but essentially, this team is structurally and organizationally the same as any 'resistance' groups/movements in any conventional war. Self motivated, cautious, autonomous, and belief in 'The Cause'. If it is possible discrete teams can communicate with each other to coordinate actions, they will do so, but if not possible, then any individual action will have no detrimental effects on the ability of the other teams to accomplish their missions.

All I can say is that they will strike whenever the opportunity presents itself

Why they do it ; what do they want is something that you must do some research on it
You must know the ideology that is behind their thoughts and feelings towards
"others " and which ultimately drives their actions

 

[gambit]

What are they actually achieving though.

Goals can be 'large' or 'small' and even those words are open to interpretation. As long as they are contributors to what they believes to be a cause greater than their lives, that would be satisfaction enough.

They kill 14 innocent people, then what? It just strengthens the resolve of people to wipe out terrorists.

The word 'innocent' is debatable, as far as they are concerned. It is enough that the targets are Americans, as in being an American is sufficient to be sentenced to death.

The larger group is not so naive as to think that the US will not harden our resolve, but that is not the point. Resistance by the enemy is NEVER a consideration. Yes, they are aware that the enemy will come up with new ways to fight, whether those new ways are technological or procedural as components of that increased resistance, but overall, resolve from the enemy is NEVER a discouraging factor.

 

[!eon]

chi chi chi so badly photoshoped
check the below one

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

chi chi chi so badly photoshoped
check the below one

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.... Looks at signature.....
Who's Barkic?

 

[illusion8]

The LEOs are doing a splendid job in preventing attacks. Of course, this is an ongoing effort and can never be 100% successful, but it is being made as secure as it possibly can be, with continuous improvements in light of new information.

I was actually contesting you post claiming that there are just a handful of jihadis and just a few terrorist plots fouled by the FBI...I hope you stand corrected..US spends billions on homeland every year in stopping terrorists, it's not that there aren't many terrorists in the US..there are thousands. .going by the sunni population there. ..but props to the anti terror fighting agencies that they aren't quite successful to cause some major bloodshed..barring of course the pakistani jihadi couple.

Thanks to jihadis ..The world spends billions on securing vital points with cctv and security all over the frigging world. .One cannot walk into a 5 star hotel in India without getting screened thanks to lashkar e toiba. .All of us get treated like possible Islamists.

 

[VCheng]

It's not that I may be correct , I *AM* correct , this is a photoshopped copy

This copy of the ID card would not even pass off a basic check for authenticity

While its the official duty of NADRA to authenticate this , in what capacity are reuters and people like yourself circulating unverified and doctored copies of this id card ?

Let's wait until NADRA confirms or denies this card.

How do you stop someone from making a pipe bomb though, since bullets (and thus gunpowder) is so easy to buy.

Would you be suspicious if a neighbour bought a gun with a lot of bullets?

Hell, I'm a bit of a gun enthusiast myself, if I lived in America I would probably buy a ton of guns. In HK we only have shooting ranges but no private ownership of guns.

What baffles me about these terrorists though, is that they clearly have no sense of self-preservation, YET they are so careful about hiding their true identities from their neighbours and friends. They are so worried that they will die before they complete their "mission"?

If someone is so desperate to die, why not just become a Heroin junkie and die in a dark room somewhere. Why do terrorists see their mission as being so important, and for no Earthly reward. It is so illogical.

My suspicions would depend on how well (or not) I know said neighbor.

Its easily spotted as fake. There is a mismatch of perspective and texture.

Let's wait until NADRA confirms or denies this card.

I was actually contesting you post claiming that there are just a handful of jihadis and just a few terrorist plots fouled by he FBI...I hope you stand corrected. .there are thousands of possible jihadis on American soil..and props to the anti terror fighting agencies that they aren't quite successful to cause some major bloodshed..barring of course the pakistani jihadi couple.

Thanks to jihadis ..The world spends billions on securing vital points with cctv and security all over the frigging world. .One cannot walk into a 5 star hotel in India without getting screened thanks to lashkar e toiba. .All of us get treated like possible Islamists.

Thousands of possible jihadis in USA? Nope. Thousands of sympathizers, yes, but only a few scores of nutcases capable of acting out their madness.

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Ah yes, the Denial Brigade is out in force this morning on this topic.

Let's hear some juicy conspiracy theories now.

Oh look, here is a nice one:

There was quick mudslinging over Pakistan followed by the attacks. It was said that a married couple entered the centre & opened fire instantly. Man is said to be the son of a Pakistani based American family and women allegedly belong to ISIS being a Pakistani Citizen.
What i personally observed that attack was pre planed not by terrorists but by some unknown American forces as they instantly called incident an act of terror instead of having a deep analysis that it might based upon personal conflicts. Pakistan FO is still in coma & haven't responded to allegations yet. Some forces trying to defame Islam and Pakistan by linking it wiyh terrorism and ISIS.

 

[illusion8]

Let's wait until NADRA confirms or denies this card.



My suspicions would depend on how well (or not) I know said neighbor.



Let's wait until NADRA confirms or denies this card.



Thousands of possible jihadis in USA? Nope. Thousands of sympathizers, yes, but only a few scores of nutcases capable of acting out their madness.

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Oh look, here is a nice one:

You are unfortunately mistaken...conservatively. .what do you think is the strength of isis?.

 

[firestorm77]

Given how the CIA operates, wouldn't be surprised if its an false flag operation to put pressure on Pakistani government. Either way it is time for Pak government to clean Laal masjid!!

 

[RabzonKhan]

The connections to Pakistan raise deep implications that will have far-reaching effects.

Once upon a time we used to be a normally a peaceful South Asian country, but then we had a stupid rulers who wanted us to become more like Middle Eastern countries, and yes, they succeeded and we all can see the results.

Given how the CIA operates, wouldn't be surprised if its an false flag operation to put pressure on Pakistani government.