12 year old boy being produced in court under police custody

[Contrarian]

No our leaders and heroes didn't plunder. They liberated the common peoples being plundered by their rulers.

Unfortunately that is not how history records events regardless of how you put it.

it is indians who in the absence of a civilization are seeking an identity.

We have an identity that comprises of many civilizations. And we are quite happy with that as well. We dont need to be 'pure' as they say!

 

[Ticker]

Sorry mate. That dream of yours would remain unfulfilled for a good long while!


Yes we rose with Hindu Growth rate, only recently bit more, etc etc - bottomline is that India as a country has greater literacy than Pakistan and greater per capita income than Pakistan and a better HDI than Pakistan. This when both got independence at the same time.

The only thing we lag behind in are some social indicators - hopefully by the end of this decade, we'd have surpassed Pakistan in each one of that as well.

While i agree and have agreed in the past about the acting like the newly rich tendency - but come on mate - it comes with efforts and some like my friend icewolf need to be told so in troll terms - the only ones they understand.

And while you grow, you feel the rest of the world would come to a stand still. Normally it doesn't happen that way. Others do grow and we being a bit smaller, would grow faster with even a lesser growth. We will catch you and may even surpass you, but for the time being play upstart as it doesn't last as long.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Not one of these horrible human beings has condemned the cowardly ba$tards who gave those lethal weapons into the hands of those children hoping they will get killed at the hands of indian police and then that can be used for more propaganda. What religion has done to these subhumans is really shameful.

And they have a problem with these children being produced in courts, maybe they want them killed and dumped into a ditch Baluchistan style - more propaganda you see!

I do hope they find the adults involved in this horrible crime against these children and handle them outside a courtroom. Those retards do not deserve a trial.

 

[Ticker]

Unfortunately that is not how history records events regardless of how you put it.


We have an identity that comprises of many civilizations. And we are quite happy with that as well. We dont need to be 'pure' as they say!

Unfortunately, you translate history as you want to. We have a history and we look at it as it actually was - not from a distance. You see you guys are not here - we are.

You don't have an identity. Identity comes with a place and not with wishful thinking, that you could have there and if you were there, you would have been known as something. Alas it is not so. And this forces you to look for an identity in the gangetic valley, or look for an identity by denigrating the Aryan Invasion and then telling the world, don't you know it was from India that other civilizations emanated!

Not one of these horrible human beings has condemned the cowardly ba$tards who gave those lethal weapons into the hands of those children hoping they will get killed at the hands of indian police and then that can be used for more propaganda. What religion has done to these subhumans is really shameful.

And they have a problem with these children being produced in courts, maybe they want them killed and dumped into a ditch Baluchistan style - more propaganda you see!

I do hope they find the adults involved in this horrible crime against these children and handle them outside a courtroom. Those retards do not deserve a trial.

Don't wish so hard against them - they have an uncanny ability to revisit places.

 

[Jackdaws]

The guy who tried was a Mullah and he has been arrested - remand increased again to 15 days. Even other ulemas saying that the mullah should be punished. Say that about Modi the hitler and you won't come out of coma forever.

Why not? I hate Modi - and I air my views to all and sundry.

 

[pk_baloch]

Unfortunately, you translate history as you want to. We have a history and we look at it as it actually was - not from a distance. You see you guys are not here - we are.

You don't have an identity. Identity comes with a place and not with wishful thinking, that you could have there and if you were there, you would have been known as something. Alas it is not so. And this forces you to look for an identity in the gangetic valley, or look for an identity by denigrating the Aryan Invasion and then telling the world, don't you know it was from India that other civilizations emanated!



Don't wish so hard against them - they have an uncanny ability to revisit places.

ticker they are always confused in hindusium ,,they donot know either hindusium is a religion or race ........

 

[Joe Shearer]

Oh you lost Indian, are you looking for your lost identity! If so, please go seek it in the overindulgent displays of Mathura. You may find your ancestors among those practicing force-majure on wall dwellings.

Bark I will with anguish on your inability and lost identity, that instead of seeking it on Mathura's wall dwellings, you seek it in a great civilization, which is not yours by any stretch of deservance.

Actually our identity is quite secure. Our identity is based on the hymns of the Rig Veda, and stems from the common heritage shared with the Iranians before the people split. This is a heritage which we protected through 3,500 years, with no breaks. Our heritage is the efflorescent literature and culture of the Sangam era, which encapsulated hundreds of years of previous cultured existence, as famed traders and merchants. Our heritage is of the rich literature and profound philosophy of the Upanishads, which rocked the western world, not indirectly, but directly. Our heritage is the sublime thought of the Buddha, and of Mahavira, who within a short span of each other, outlined religious directions that are followed by millions today. Our heritage is the Mauryan Empire, and the architecture of Sanchi and Bharhut, the sculpture of Gandharva and of Mathura. Our heritage is of a glittering galaxy of authors, poets and playwrights, kings and the nobility among them, as well as those humble of station who were raised for their talent, who still delight the world in translation, and of collections of stories and fables which between them formed the cultural background of the western world.

It goes on and on, an unbroken chain, with each link intelligible to the next, a heritage that is ours in the original high languages and in literally dozens arising from them, so that a Tamilian today can delight in the Silappadikaram as much as contemporaries of its princely author could. The landscape is profusely endowed with the temples and public buildings that this heritage built, all but the landscape now occupied by your unfortunate state, that has spent its time in destroying, not preserving. We have our heritage, since we embraced it. When the Turks came in, their monuments were built not by other Turks, but by Indians, and it is therefore ours: our sweat, blood and toil went into the Adhai Din Ka Jhopra, the Qutb Minar, into Tughlaqabad, into Agra, into Jaunpur, into Allahabad, into Lucknow, into Ahmedabad, into Bijapur, Golconda, Berar, Hyderabad, Ahmadnagar...where should I stop?

The answer is that I need not. We inherited it, proudly, including all, excluding none, and we continue to build. No quest for identity for us, for we know, and move ahead secure.

Have you ever seen among Indians the heated controversies about 'our' identity that we see among you?

 

[Contrarian]

And while you grow, you feel the rest of the world would come to a stand still. Normally it doesn't happen that way. Others do grow and we being a bit smaller, would grow faster with even a lesser growth. We will catch you and may even surpass you, but for the time being play upstart as it doesn't last as long.

Why would we assume the rest of the world would stand still. The world progresses but we progress faster than the rest. Its like China, they are bigger than India and are growing faster than us, so the gap is increasing. The very same for Pakistan. India is not only bigger, it is also growing faster! The gap between India and Pakistan is only increasing, not decreasing.

You also forget the advantages of being a very large country - immense economies of scale!

Not one of these horrible human beings has condemned the cowardly ba$tards who gave those lethal weapons into the hands of those children hoping they will get killed at the hands of indian police and then that can be used for more propaganda. What religion has done to these subhumans is really shameful.

And they have a problem with these children being produced in courts, maybe they want them killed and dumped into a ditch Baluchistan style - more propaganda you see!

I do hope they find the adults involved in this horrible crime against these children and handle them outside a courtroom. Those retards do not deserve a trial.

Ofcourse. Pakistani's love to protest using kids and hand them guns and masks. Dont you see so many protests in Pakistan in which kids are given guns! It sure makes a point! They will never comdemn using kids in such situations violence, gun culture and all.

 

[KRAIT]

Joe sir, Great post.

Alas you can't make someone take your words whose mind is closed.

but still keep posting such posts, at least for us.

 

[Contrarian]

The answer is that I need not. We inherited it, proudly, including all, excluding none, and we continue to build. No quest for identity for us, for we know, and move ahead secure.

Quoted because i loved what you wrote! So true!

 

[pk_baloch]

Unfortunately, you translate history as you want to. We have a history and we look at it as it actually was - not from a distance. You see you guys are not here - we are.

You don't have an identity. Identity comes with a place and not with wishful thinking, that you could have there and if you were there, you would have been known as something. Alas it is not so. And this forces you to look for an identity in the gangetic valley, or look for an identity by denigrating the Aryan Invasion and then telling the world, don't you know it was from India that other civilizations emanated!



Don't wish so hard against them - they have an uncanny ability to revisit places.

as we are muslims our identity starts from the adam and eve ,nooh ............

 

[Ticker]

Why not? I hate Modi - and I air my views to all and sundry.

Good for the sundary, may not be for all of you.

ticker they are always confused in hindusium ,,they donot know either hindusium is a religion or race ........

Neither a religion .... nor a race - It is just that they have a decease of not touching the untouchables.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Actually our identity is quite secure. Our identity is based on the hymns of the Rig Veda, and stems from the common heritage shared with the Iranians before the people split. This is a heritage which we protected through 3,500 years, with no breaks. Our heritage is the efflorescent literature and culture of the Sangam era, which encapsulated hundreds of years of previous cultured existence, as famed traders and merchants. Our heritage is of the rich literature and profound philosophy of the Upanishads, which rocked the western world, not indirectly, but directly. Our heritage is the sublime thought of the Buddha, and of Mahavira, who within a short span of each other, outlined religious directions that are followed by millions today. Our heritage is the Mauryan Empire, and the architecture of Sanchi and Bharhut, the sculpture of Gandharva and of Mathura. Our heritage is of a glittering galaxy of authors, poets and playwrights, kings and the nobility among them, as well as those humble of station who were raised for their talent, who still delight the world in translation, and of collections of stories and fables which between them formed the cultural background of the western world.

It goes on and on, an unbroken chain, with each link intelligible to the next, a heritage that is ours in the original high languages and in literally dozens arising from them, so that a Tamilian today can delight in the Silappadikaram as much as contemporaries of its princely author could. The landscape is profusely endowed with the temples and public buildings that this heritage built, all but the landscape now occupied by your unfortunate state, that has spent its time in destroying, not preserving. We have our heritage, since we embraced it. When the Turks came in, their monuments were built not by other Turks, but by Indians, and it is therefore ours: our sweat, blood and toil went into the Adhai Din Ka Jhopra, the Qutb Minar, into Tughlaqabad, into Agra, into Jaunpur, into Allahabad, into Lucknow, into Ahmedabad, into Bijapur, Golconda, Berar, Hyderabad, Ahmadnagar...where should I stop?

The answer is that I need not. We inherited it, proudly, including all, excluding none, and we continue to build. No quest for identity for us, for we know, and move ahead secure.

Have you ever seen among Indians the heated controversies about 'our' identity that we see among you?

Very well put sir, although off topic. Are we to assume that since we can not find fault with producing a child who has committed a violent crime in court, last refuge is being sought into the fantasy world of all Pakistani fanboys - IVC?

 

[Joe Shearer]

These guys were not french.

We named our missiles on on our heroes.

You see, we are no longer Hindus or Buddhists.

We are scions of Indus Valley Civilization and are Muslims.

Surprisingly though, it is Indian leaders who feel pride in having been called Hitlers instead of being called Modis - though it is the same thing.

Ah, so there we are. Not the heritage of the residents of the places where in 1929, the British found a dead civilization, with no links to its surroundings. This was within a few years of the Lahore Resolution, and no mention of these dreadful pagan remains came into those august deliberations.

No, the heritage sought was not Muslim either, it was conquistador Muslim. Not a single sub-continental Muslim, until our candidate from the legacy Indian state of Ferghana slips in.

It would add weight to your arguments if you had named your weapons after Sher Shah, or Muhammad bin Tughlaq, or Alauddin Khilji before him. Great conquerors, who left a permanent stamp on your history and mine. But no, Muslim was not enough, it'd to be those who crushed the Punjab and Sind under their iron heel.

Reading what the Gakkhars did to one of these invaders makes interesting reading. Reading about the resistance of the Shahi kings, still part of your heritage, makes stirring reading. But when it comes to heroes, as the Albanians used to say in my young days, "We and the Chinese are 600 million strong!" (nothing wrong with those figures; it's just that I am very old).

 

[KRAIT]

People are taking revenge coz they felt ashamed what happened to that girl and her mother. beaten by mob. Turns out the girl was suffering from Down Syndrome and turns out the real culprit was a Muslim who burnt the pages and put it in her bags.

The kid will be tried as minor and will be sent to juvenile detention center just like any other country except few exceptions.

If he is guilty, he needs to be punished so that no other kid agree do it.

Didn't want to make a comparison but sometime you have to use it to make people understand who is guilty and who is innocent irrespective of their nationality or religion.