12 best tanks in world

[zraver]

means that it has an overall weight of 40 tonnes or thereabouts against the Arjun's 55 tonnes. This will give it a lower profile than the typical MBT and make it harder to hit

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Not quite- the most common aspect will be the frontal aspect and your talking about less than a square meter vs modern fire control systems, size wont make a difference. More over both tanks are about the same weight. Plus you have to consider the design- which design actually has more surface area to cover with armor, which is more resistant to Behind Armor Effects (BAE), which keeps the crew at peak trim the longest etc.

 

[Penguin]

12 Best Tank in the World

12. PT-91 (Poland)
11. AL-Khalid (Pakistan)
10. T-90 (FRS - Russia)
9. Type 99 (PRC - China)
8. K1a1 (South Korea)
7. Type 90 (Japan)
6. Leclerc (France)
5. K2 Black Panther (South Korea)
4. Merkava (Israel)
3. Challenger (UK)
2. Leopard 2 (BRD - Germany)
1. M1a2 Abrams (USA)

Italian Ariete MBT not in this list?
Also lacking are the present day Ukrainian variants of the USSR T-80 e.g. T-84 as in Pakistani service.
Might also want to include Iranian Zulfiqar Mk3
Might even want to include Arjun... ;-)

If PT-91 Twardy is allowed in, the so should be other T-72 developments e.g. the Serbian M-2001 produced by Yugoimport SDPR in Serbia and the Croatian M-95 Degman developed in the factory Đuro Đaković specijalna vozila d.d., located in Slavonski Brod, Croatia. Both are developments of the M-84, a Yugoslav version of the Soviet T-72 MBT produced under licence.

K2 Black Panther is not fielded in operational service yet (expected 2009). If this is allowed, then so should be e.g. the Japanese TK-X/ MBT-X/Type 10, intended to replace Type 74 and complement the the Type 90 main battle tanks that are currently in service with the Japan Ground Self Defense Force. The development began in 1990s, and production is expected to start in 2010-2011.

It should be Merkava Mk4 and Challenger 2 specifically

 

[zraver]

Italian Ariete MBT not in this list?

There is nothign it adds to the list- its a low weight western style MBT that is less advanced than the Leclerc.

Also lacking are the present day Ukrainian variants of the USSR T-80 e.g. T-84 as in Pakistani service.

Might also want to include Iranian Zulfiqar Mk3

The Z3 is a fraud, its a built up M-60 Patton hull it even has the heater exhaust in the same spot, it has no thermal, uses the underpwoered T-72 engine, uses the lackluster 2A46M1 gun, does not have an indipendant commanders thermal system, uses a trashcan lid for a commanders hatch and has never been seen moving under its own power.

Might even want to include Arjun... ;-)

not good enough

If PT-91 Twardy is allowed in,

its not

the so should be other T-72 developments e.g. the Serbian M-2001 produced by Yugoimport SDPR in Serbia and the Croatian M-95 Degman developed in the factory Đuro Đaković specijalna vozila d.d., located in Slavonski Brod, Croatia. Both are developments of the M-84, a Yugoslav version of the Soviet T-72 MBT produced under licence.

They are not allowed in either

K2 Black Panther is not fielded in operational service yet (expected 2009). If this is allowed, then so should be e.g. the Japanese TK-X/ MBT-X/Type 10, intended to replace Type 74 and complement the the Type 90 main battle tanks that are currently in service with the Japan Ground Self Defense Force. The development began in 1990s, and production is expected to start in 2010-2011.

The TK-X is a lot lighter than most on the list and IIRC used the L44 not L55.

It should be Merkava Mk4 and Challenger 2 specifically

Not a big fan of the Merkava, front mounted engines are a mistake in my opinion.

 

[Penguin]

There is nothign it adds to the list- its a low weight western style MBT that is less advanced than the Leclerc.

Well, by that reasoning, one might leave out half the list.

The Z3 is a fraud, its a built up M-60 Patton hull it even has the heater exhaust in the same spot, it has no thermal, uses the underpwoered T-72 engine, uses the lackluster 2A46M1 gun, does not have an indipendant commanders thermal system, uses a trashcan lid for a commanders hatch and has never been seen moving under its own power.

Suite your self. IMHO there is (too) little information to judge it either way. Incidentally, PT-91 and T-90 are built up T-72s and they are on the list.

not good enough

A much politicized development and procurement process makes it extremely difficult to accurately assess it IMHO.

its not

't is! In twelfth place!

They are not allowed in either

Well they should be!

The TK-X is a lot lighter than most on the list and IIRC used the L44 not L55.

Most operational Leo 2's do not currently have the L55 and other western 120mm gun armed MBT don't have L55 either! At between 40 to 48 tonnes depending on the armor configuration, T-10 with its highest level of protection is definitely in the same weight bracket (45-50 tons) as the T-90, PT-91, T-80/T-84 and Al Khalid.

Not a big fan of the Merkava, front mounted engines are a mistake in my opinion.

Merkava's is designed to have a high, if not the best crew survival rate in case of a hit. That's not the same as the best protection against penetration. Anyway, with the adoption of the 1500hp German LEO-2 powerpack, Merk4 finally overcame its biggest drawback (relative slowness). Thumbs up afaik. Chally 2E was to use the German engine as well, as was the M1 export version proposed to Turkey.

 

[zraver]

Well, by that reasoning, one might leave out half the list.

Its just my opinion.

Suite your self. IMHO there is (too) little information to judge it either way. Incidentally, PT-91 and T-90 are built up T-72s and they are on the list.

I dodn't put the pt-91 on the list and the T-90M is not in anyway a T-72 its not even a T-90A with upgrades. New engine, new turret, new autoloader, French thermals, Swiss (IIRC) active protection, Indian ceramic armor, Kacktus heavy ERA, Indian battle management system...

A much politicized development and procurement process makes it extremely difficult to accurately assess it IMHO.

Gun is an obsolte L11A5 clone, it has no commanders thermal viewer, the power plant is not made any more, its partially non-digital.

't is! In twelfth place!

Not on my list it isn't.

Well they should be!

Not really, they mostly still uses the 2A46M1 gun, has the orginal short round only auto loader, do not have ultra modern FLIR etc.

Most operational Leo 2's do not currently have the L55 and other western 120mm gun armed MBT don't have L55 either!

We are comparing current, not also in inventory.

At between 40 to 48 tonnes depending on the armor configuration, T-10 with its highest level of protection is definitely in the same weight bracket (45-50 tons) as the T-90, PT-91, T-80/T-84 and Al Khalid.

But what does it add to the Western philosophy side of the question?

Merkava's is designed to have a high, if not the best crew survival rate in case of a hit. That's not the same as the best protection against penetration.

if you can disable the tank, the crew is as good as dead. The Merkava IV is more vulnerable to front hit mobility kills that other tanks- ergo I don't like it. Plus the tank is brutally heavy since it has to put not just the crew but also the engine under armor. Put the engine in the back and put the crew under the armor.

 

[Zhukov]

Bro Exactly But i think there is a Planned Strategy of Not Going Blindly Behind a Technology Without Knowing any thing in it. and that is To Allocate Resources. I mean Why Should anyone Care JF17 is a Joint Production and LCA is Totally Indian if JF17 is a Success and LCA is Still Facing Problems. Our Engineers have a Jet Fighter Assembly Lineup with a Liscensed Jet. Now we can Start our Research Rather Then Starting From Scrap and Wasting Valuable Resources and Time. Same Applies to Al-Khalid.
Plus All Indian Projects are not Indeginious. We all Know How Much Support They have From Israel and US while Pakistan is Always Kept on Promises. At the end Besides all Criticisms. Pakistan always Take the Lead. Either its Jets Tanks or Missiles. When Borh Pakistan and India Started Ballistic Missile Project. How Much we had been Criticised. But at the End Result Is evident In Front Of All. Now Pakistan is Working on 6000 km+ Ranged Tipu Missile and Have Successful Cruise Missiles Babur and Raad.
And Every one should Keep in Mind that India was a Developed Country having Tons of Resources at 15 August 1947 while Pakistan Was Torn and Weak with Only 17 Scheduled Banks and Not a Single Ordinance Factoriy. So all in All. Pakistan have Done Extraordinarily well Considering Starting of Both Countries

 

[mjnaushad]

Just a question. Where the hell is CHALLENGER 2.

 

[DavyJones]

I'm not so sure about the Merkava - it did not cover itself with glory in the Lebanon conflict of 2006.

 

[bigmoneymaker]

guys be realistic, Alkhalid is not the best in the world but best in Pak inventory with most upto date features. indeed its a great product jointly developed by China and Pakistan, and later we have further improved it according to our geographical needs i.e Ukrainian engine, local battlefield system and other bits etc.
This tank is same as chinese T-90II or you can say derived from it and still in evolutionary phase even though we have produced and inducted over 200 in armed forced.
where the arjun was designed and planned to be produced by 100% local resources, which indeed a good idea but certain things need time and funds to get their knowledge and technology before building them. so far india has invested in many unique projects and some of them get failed but mostly not abandoned, which i think is a good thing especially when you plan your strategic objectives.
We on the other hand are mostly rely on our ever trusted friend China and are proud of our friendship, we have learned a lot and have shared our experiences and technology with China in many fields, without Chinese help we would not have such a big and advanced military hardware production infrastructure. no other country has supported us in defence production than china, but we must realise that it is not the end, these alkhalid, JF17 are just the beginning and we must stop here our enemies are coward who does not know anything else than blaming us for everything, even if get constipation we will be blamed.
So my advice to all Muslim brother would be to stop listening to them and react with childish remarks, they were, are and will remain stubborn like ever, we must look forward to strengthen our roots with knowledge and rules which Almighty has told us.
And dont be afraid of their propaganda and brutal War against Muslims, they are doing their best to leave us behind in every field and looting our resources and in the end labelling us as terrorists. They did and doing their best but still Islam is the fastest growing religion and thats their biggest fear and that is why in their eyes every muslim who prays 5 times have beard is terrorist. Without knowing the true values and teaching of islam they are on War against Islam, which they will never win.
But we must prepare ourselves for worst but hope for best. nobody can ever destroy Pakistan, INSHALLAH

wow, so scary view about your religion, man, be relaxed, religion told us how to maintain social stability while we are building a society...there are so many different teachings in the world to tell us how to live well with others, islam is just one of the philosophys that guides the people, not necessary the most perfect.....look at your partner china, gov and people do they believe islam??? if u say they can develop because china is one of unsc member which enables china to secure her interests gain then how can they maintain social order along the time????? they should be disintegrated before you can see this civilization still exists on this planet as a unique role of balancing the world situation subtly while the people with different religious opinions are attempting to attack each other until that they almost initiated another world war if there is no mutual assurance destruction exists.........bro, hold down your extreme view on religion, if extreme view on religions turns out to be conflicts of interests manipulated by certain interests groups and eventually wars it will be sad tragedy for humanity....and yet if chinese members or public sees the reaction of yours they will simply be shocked and reject islam like the christians do, then will you have jihad to wipe out your non muslims chinese brothers as they are not following islamic teaching????are you trying to mix religion and conflicts of interests in real world together?????

 

[bigmoneymaker]

guys be realistic, Alkhalid is not the best in the world but best in Pak inventory with most upto date features. indeed its a great product jointly developed by China and Pakistan, and later we have further improved it according to our geographical needs i.e Ukrainian engine, local battlefield system and other bits etc.
This tank is same as chinese T-90II or you can say derived from it and still in evolutionary phase even though we have produced and inducted over 200 in armed forced.
where the arjun was designed and planned to be produced by 100% local resources, which indeed a good idea but certain things need time and funds to get their knowledge and technology before building them. so far india has invested in many unique projects and some of them get failed but mostly not abandoned, which i think is a good thing especially when you plan your strategic objectives.
We on the other hand are mostly rely on our ever trusted friend China and are proud of our friendship, we have learned a lot and have shared our experiences and technology with China in many fields, without Chinese help we would not have such a big and advanced military hardware production infrastructure. no other country has supported us in defence production than china, but we must realise that it is not the end, these alkhalid, JF17 are just the beginning and we must stop here our enemies are coward who does not know anything else than blaming us for everything, even if get constipation we will be blamed.
So my advice to all Muslim brother would be to stop listening to them and react with childish remarks, they were, are and will remain stubborn like ever, we must look forward to strengthen our roots with knowledge and rules which Almighty has told us.
And dont be afraid of their propaganda and brutal War against Muslims, they are doing their best to leave us behind in every field and looting our resources and in the end labelling us as terrorists. They did and doing their best but still Islam is the fastest growing religion and thats their biggest fear and that is why in their eyes every muslim who prays 5 times have beard is terrorist. Without knowing the true values and teaching of islam they are on War against Islam, which they will never win.
But we must prepare ourselves for worst but hope for best. nobody can ever destroy Pakistan, INSHALLAH

wow, so scary view about your religion, man, be relaxed, religion told us how to maintain social stability while we are building a society...there are so many different teachings in the world to tell us how to live well with others, islam is just one of the philosophys that guides the people, not necessary the most perfect.....look at your partner china, gov and people do they believe islam??? if u say they can develop because china is one of unsc member which enables china to secure her interests gain then how can they maintain social order along the time????? they should be disintegrated before you can see this civilization still exists on this planet as a unique role of balancing the world situation subtly while the people with different religious opinions are attempting to attack each other until that they almost initiated another world war if there is no mutual assurance destruction exists.........bro, hold down your extreme view on religion, if extreme view on religions turns out to be conflicts of interests manipulated by certain interests groups and eventually wars it will be sad tragedy for humanity....and yet if chinese members or public sees the reaction of yours they will simply be shocked and reject islam like the christians do, then will you have jihad to wipe out your non muslims chinese brothers as they are not following islamic teaching???? are you trying to mix islam and conflicts of interests in real world?????

 

[Zohaib786]

Taking religion out of this thread because it has nothing to do with tanks. Tanks at the moment in todays climate are useless most wars around the country are guerilla wars .... Pakistan is going in for the kill against the taliban.... which is good news for the war and Inshallah the army will succeed......

 

[indiarocks]

How can you rank somthing which is not officially in service...Arjun is dead project, making few tanks just to motive DRDO. Otherwise extreme waste of resources. It happened when when country try built somthing with imported items from multiple countries. Importing best equipment doesn't mean that they will synchronize with you final product....

brother it is not a dead project but 124 units will be inducted in army in first phase ...in the next mordernisation phase<2011-2013> further orders will be given...also u must read the trial report of 2010 of T-90 vs ARJUN....also.....the further developed version will be ready for induction by dec 2010

 

[ARCHON]

brother it is not a dead project but 124 units will be inducted in army in first phase ...in the next mordernisation phase<2011-2013> further orders will be given...also u must read the trial report of 2010 of T-90 vs ARJUN....also.....the further developed version will be ready for induction by dec 2010

Dude just wait for the new updated list.

 

[WAQAS119]

I don't understand how they do ranking of tanks because tanks are produced keeping in view of particular terrain of country...

For us i don't think that any American tank will suit better than Al-Khalid, unless some major changes are done to it.
Ranking tanks is thus just seems as marketing strategy by Americans.

 

[shiningindia]

i think it's a biased list of world top tank. i think the person who made this list is,he must be pakistani or chinese. because he added al khalid at 11th place he placed t-90 at 10th place and placed type-99 at 9th place. every one know that t-90 is the one of the best tank of the world. there is a question on my mind how he prepare the list of the tanks. he do not provide any link who prove it. so it's a wrong list.