11-Year-old Girl Punished in School for Wearing 'Tilak' on Her Birthday

[MokshaVimukthi]

Head examination may be required but it isn't mine that should be the target. All minority institutions are by law required to have a certain percentage of students from that minority. There is no upper limit. Can theoretically be 100%.

LOL. You could not be more wrong.

This matter has been settled in the Supreme Court once an for all in the P.A. Inamdar vs. State of Mahrashtra.

The court has ruled that minority educational institution, would be entitled to have the right of admission of students belonging to the minority group and at the same time, would be required to admit a reasonable extent of non-minority students, so that the rights under Article 30(1) are not substantially impaired and further the citizens’ rights under Article 29(2) are not infringed.

The State Government can prescribe percentage of the minority community to be admitted in a minority educational institution taking into account the population and educational needs of the area in which the institution is located.

So No minority institution can even theoretically have 100% minority students and deny admission to majority students.

 

[Bang Galore]

LOL. You could not be more wrong.

This matter has been settled in the Supreme Court once an for all in the P.A. Inamdar vs. State of Mahrashtra.

The court has ruled that minority educational institution, would be entitled to have the right of admission of students belonging to the minority group and at the same time, would be required to admit a reasonable extent of non-minority students, so that the rights under Article 30(1) are not substantially impaired and further the citizens’ rights under Article 29(2) are not infringed.

The State Government can prescribe percentage of the minority community to be admitted in a minority educational institution taking into account the population and educational needs of the area in which the institution is located.

So No minority institution can even theoretically have 100% minority students and deny admission to majority students.

Still wrong. That applies for aided institutions only, a fact that I have already alluded to in my earlier post.

Can theoretically be 100% unless the school receives government aid, in which case it would have to admit atleast a small number of non-minority students.

"An aided minority educational institution, therefore, would be entitled to have the right of admission of students belonging to the minority group and at the same time,would be required to admit a reasonable extent of non-minoritystudents, so that the rights under Article 30(1) are not substantially impaired and further the citizens’ rights under Article 29(2) are not infringed."

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Still wrong. That applies for aided institutions only, a fact that I have already alluded to in my earlier post.

"An aided minority educational institution, therefore, would be entitled to have the right of admission of students belonging to the minority group and at the same time,would be required to admit a reasonable extent of non-minoritystudents, so that the rights under Article 30(1) are not substantially impaired and further the citizens’ rights under Article 29(2) are not infringed."

Yes it applies to Aided minority institutions.

Unfortunately St. Ann IS an Govt. Aided School.

 

[Bang Galore]

Yes it applies to Aided minority institutions.

Unfortunately St. Ann IS an Govt. Aided School.

Still no automatic right of admission for everyone from the non-minority though I was discussing with you about minority institutions in general.

The underlined part in the government guidelines as referred to in my post # 120 makes it clear what the actual value of any non-minority representation in such cases is.

Will leave it here. Thanks for your time.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Still no automatic right of admission for everyone from the non-minority though I was discussing with you about minority institutions in general.

The underlined part in the government guidelines as referred to in my post # 120 makes it clear what the actual value of any non-minority representation in such cases is.

Will leave it here. Thanks for your time.

When I have already shown you Supreme court ruling regarding this, where is the confusion ? There IS Automatic right of admission for non minorities in St. Ann.

You disingenuously modified your post #120 AFTER I had replied.

From the same source however this is what you find,

As regards the prescription of a percentage governing admissions in a minority educational institution, it would be useful to excerpt the following observations of their lordships of the Supreme Court in T.M.A. Pai foundation Case vs. State of Karnataka (2002) 8 SCC 481.


.....However, even if it is possible to fill up all the seats with students of the minority group, the moment the institution is granted aid; the institution will have to admit students of the non minority group to a reasonable extent, whereby the character of the institution is not annihilated, and at the same time, the rights of the citizen engrafted under Article 29(2) are not subverted.” The State Government can prescribe percentage of the minority community to be admitted in a minority educational institution taking into account the population and educational needs of the area in which the institution is located. There cannot be a common rule or regulation or order in respect of types of educational institutions from primary to college level and for the entire State fixing the uniform ceiling in the matter of admission of students in minority educational institutions. Thus a balance has to be kept between two objectives – preserving the right of the minorities to admit students of their own community and that of admitting “sprinkling of outsiders” in their institutions subject to the condition that the manner and number of such admissions should not be violative of the minority character of the institution. It is significant to mention here that Section 12C (b) of the Act also empowers the State Government to prescribe percentage governing admissions in a minority educational9 institution. Thus the State Government has to prescribe percentage governing admissions of students in the minority educational institutions in accordance with the aforesaid principles of law enunciated by their lordships of the Supreme Court in the cases of T.M.A. Pai Foundation and P.A. Inamdar (supra).

Just to remove any confusion here is the notification of Andhra Pradesh govt. education dept.

http://rmsaap.nic.in/G.O's/GO.Ms.No.1.PDF

Condition Governing Permission / Recognition:

(7) That no student shall be denied admission of the ground of religion, caste, race or language. This shall, however, not prevent the Minority Educational Institutional from preferring the students of the concerned community.

(25) That the educational agency shall not carry on or encourage any propaganda or practice wounding the religious feelings of any class of citizens of India or insulting the religious or the religious belief or that class or indulge in any act that undermines national integrity and insult to national anthem and national flag.


Let there be NO DOUBT regarding this issue.

 

[Bang Galore]

When I have already shown you Supreme court ruling regarding this, where is the confusion ? There IS Automatic right of admission for non minorities in St. Ann.

Nope. A minimum quota is not a automatic right to all. Just the bare minimum in aided institutions. No such right exists in non-aided institutions.

You disingenuously modified your post #120 AFTER I had replied.

Nope. I didn't see your post till I finished all my corrections. Not that juvenile, this is just a forum.

.From the same source however this is what you find,

As regards the prescription of a percentage governing admissions in a minority educational institution, it would be useful to excerpt the following observations of their lordships of the Supreme Court in T.M.A. Pai foundation Case vs. State of Karnataka (2002) 8 SCC 481.


....However, even if it is possible to fill up all the seats with students of the minority group, the moment the institution is granted aid; the institution will have to admit students of the non minority group to a reasonable extent, whereby the character of the institution is not annihilated, and at the same time, the rights of the citizen engrafted under Article 29(2) are not subverted.” The State Government can prescribe percentage of the minority community to be admitted in a minority educational institution taking into account the population and educational needs of the area in which the institution is located. There cannot be a common rule or regulation or order in respect of types of educational institutions from primary to college level and for the entire State fixing the uniform ceiling in the matter of admission of students in minority educational institutions. Thus a balance has to be kept between two objectives – preserving the right of the minorities to admit students of their own community and that of admitting “sprinkling of outsiders” in their institutions subject to the condition that the manner and number of such admissions should not be violative of the minority character of the institution.

As i said, applies to aided institutions alone.

It is significant to mention here that Section 12C (b) of the Act also empowers the State Government to prescribe percentage governing admissions in a minority educational9 institution. Thus the State Government has to prescribe percentage governing admissions of students in the minority educational institutions in accordance with the aforesaid principles of law enunciated by their lordships of the Supreme Court in the cases of T.M.A. Pai Foundation and P.A. Inamdar (supra).

That refers to the minimum percentage that a minority institution has to fill within the minorities to still qualify as a minority institution.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

nope. A minimum quota is not a automatic right to all. Just the bare minimum in aided institutions. No such right exists in non-aided institutions.

I am talking about St. Ann. Non Aided institutions do not even have to practice caste reservation.

That refers to the minimum percentage that a minority institution has to fill within the minorities to still qualify as a minority institution.

For Hyderabad it is 2/3 rd ........ so unless St. Ann school has 66 % Christian students, IT IS NOT A MINORITY INSTITUTION.

From the Notification..

(f) “Minority Educational Institution” means any educational agency of which at least 2/3rd members belong to a religious/linguistic minority and which has obtained minority certificate from the government:

 

[Bang Galore]

For Hyderabad it is 2/3 rd ........ so unless St. Ann school has 66 % Christian students, IT IS NOT A MINORITY INSTITUTION.

What's the point here? That St Ann is not a minority institution?

 

[wolfschanzze]

In coastal AP it has gone up by 15-25% & are your figures for AP(United) or AP(Seema-Andhra)

The figures are for Coastal AP(Seema Andhra), yes i was a bit moderate in saying 7-8%.
Missionary activity was a bit less on Telangana side even during United AP time.

Brother I hope that Gurukul system must be encouraged not just by schools but by parents too.....
Now they are re-building NALANDA but the concept remain same as typical western university model ..... I wish at least from Nalanda univ model gov could have initiated old GURUKUL PADDAHTI in our rotten education system....

The change has to come from parents and how they teach their children nowadays, the 80's, 90's Children are a confused Secular lot, The kids born after 2000 will be not Secular as the parents are going back to their roots and educating their children in Dharmic values and Gurukul system.

Pseudo-Secularism has taken a hit in 90's and it will only go down, since there are no more Brainwashing elites and Leftists occupying educational space as they los or are losing their bastions of power to Right Wingers daily.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

What's the point here? That St Ann is not a minority institution?

Yes, that is the point.

This is what you had said.

The school as a minority institution is well within its rights to display religious symbols of their faith, that is the law.

Now since it is not a minority institution how do they justify or even pretend good conscience when Christian symbolism is rampant and a 11 year old girl is punished and scared on purpose for reaffirming her Hindu faith on a holy day ?

If the fig leaf now is the the "Rules" permit it, the Rules are drafted by bigots and promote discrimination of the worst kind.

 

[Bang Galore]

Yes, that is the point.

This is what you had said.



Now since it is not a minority institution how do they justify or even pretend good conscience when Christian symbolism is rampant and a 11 year old girl is punished and scared on purpose for reaffirming her Hindu faith on a holy day ?

If the fig leaf now is the the "Rules" permit it, the Rules are drafted by bigots and promote discrimination of the worst kind.

How did you decide it isn't a minority institution? Has the state government stripped it of that status?

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

How did you decide it isn't a minority institution? Has the state government stripped it of that status?

How did you decide that it has that status ?

 

[Mujahid Memon]

She didn't follow the rules, she got punished. I cant understand what's wrong in that

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

She didn't follow the rules, she got punished. I cant understand what's wrong in that

Let me see if you get this,

1. In Jaipur in 2008, seven students were suspended. St Xavier's School authorities suspended seven Class XII students for 20 days for offering puja to Lord Ganesha in their classroom on the occasion of Ganesh Chaturthi. Father of a suspended student said that he was told by the school authorities that St Xavier's "was a school and not a temple". A few students had put up a poster of Lord Ganesha in the classroom and offered puja.

2. In Chennai in 2012, a chemistry teacher of SBOA School and Junior College in Anna Nagar West was suspended. Usually, Christian prayers were said before the students could write their examinations. This time a teacher said a Hindu prayer and the other teachers first turned off the microphone and later the teacher was suspended.

3. last year, seven girls of Mary Immaculate High School, Lakkasandra, were made to stand outside the staff room for playing Holi. Out of those seven girls, two girls named Priyanka and Sonali committed suicide after being humiliated.

4. In Mount Hermon School in Darjeeling where a girl child was forced to eat beef by the Principal. When she opposed, she was told by the Principal that beef eating was mandatory in the school boarding. When the girl opposed their move, the Principal and some other teachers framed false charges against her. She was accused of stealing the mobile set of a teacher. She was mentally tortured and her belongings were thrown out of the hostel. She came home and committed suicide on August 21, 2014.


You spot the Pattern ?

These are a few cases that came to the Media. There are thousand others that do not make it.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Let me see if you get this,

1. In Jaipur in 2008, seven students were suspended. St Xavier's School authorities suspended seven Class XII students for 20 days for offering puja to Lord Ganesha in their classroom on the occasion of Ganesh Chaturthi. Father of a suspended student said that he was told by the school authorities that St Xavier's "was a school and not a temple". A few students had put up a poster of Lord Ganesha in the classroom and offered puja.

2. In Chennai in 2012, a chemistry teacher of SBOA School and Junior College in Anna Nagar West was suspended. Usually, Christian prayers were said before the students could write their examinations. This time a teacher said a Hindu prayer and the other teachers first turned off the microphone and later the teacher was suspended.

3. last year, seven girls of Mary Immaculate High School, Lakkasandra, were made to stand outside the staff room for playing Holi. Out of those seven girls, two girls named Priyanka and Sonali committed suicide after being humiliated.

4. In Mount Hermon School in Darjeeling where a girl child was forced to eat beef by the Principal. When she opposed, she was told by the Principal that beef eating was mandatory in the school boarding. When the girl opposed their move, the Principal and some other teachers framed false charges against her. She was accused of stealing the mobile set of a teacher. She was mentally tortured and her belongings were thrown out of the hostel. She came home and committed suicide on August 21, 2014.


You spot the Pattern ?

These are a few cases that came to the Media. There are thousand others that do not make it.

If you dont like the terms & conditions of a particular school, dont get admission of ur children into that school. No one is forcing you, simple