11-Year-old Girl Punished in School for Wearing 'Tilak' on Her Birthday

[Bang Galore]

Ever the fence sitter. It was rather clear you choose to believe the school the school who had everything to loose by admitting discrimination than the child who had everything to loose by protesting against it ?. You Prejudice is apparent.

Its a bit like a White Cop beating up an innocent black guy for looking like a suspect and you choosing to believe that the cop is telling the truth ............. after all by your twisted logic, both of them could be lying. Sadly the key here is "motive".

Its a strawman arguing that Religious minority have the right to display symbols of their faith. The problem is about them refusing OTHERS the right to do the same. THAT is the HYPOCRISY being point out.

Dress code should apply to STAFF as well as Students. You cannot bully the child just because they are the weakest sections of our society. And by hiding behind "rules" people like you are encouraging religious discrimination by pretending that it din't exist. That is called being a Partner in Crime.

As we have done many times before, we are simply going to have to live with our differing opinions....I would rather sit on the fence than jump in blindly. Rules are rules, whether when Muslim girls are evicted from college because they wear the hijab or in any other case. I make no discrimination based on religion.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

As we have done many times before, we are simply going to have to live with our differing opinions....I would rather sit on the fence than jump in blindly. Rules are rules, whether when Muslim girls are evicted from college because they wear the hijab or in any other case. I make no discrimination based on religion.

A dress code does not cover religious symbols, which is why you find the staff wearing "cross" around their neck.

That is why you find Sikh kids with a turban on their heads in Indian schools, INCLUDING Christian schools.

By your logic christian school should deny admission to sikh students ...... or if they do get admitted, they would be punished if they do not cur their hair.

Do you even hear yourself ?

 

[Bang Galore]

A dress code does not cover religious symbols, which is why you find the staff wearing "cross" around their neck.

That is why you find Sikh kids with a turban on their heads in Indian schools, INCLUDING Christian schools.

By your logic christian school should deny admission to sikh students ...... or if they do get admitted, they would be punished if they do not cur their hair.

Do you even hear yourself ?

That (wearing of symbols)would be for the school to decide & this is wearing it on the face. Also this is a recognised christian institution, they are allowed to show Christian symbols. Sikhs generally are the only ones to get a pass because it is mandatory for them to wear it, not optional. That is a rule even followed by the Indian army . Maybe you should read up about the actual legal position before you argue.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

That would be for the school to decide & this is wearing it on the face. Sikhs generally are the only ones to get a pass because it is mandatory for them to wear it, not optional. That is a rule even followed by the Indian army . Maybe you should read up about the actual legal position before you argue.

By that same logic sikhs are also REQUIRED to carry a Kirpan too .... it is part of the same 5 "K" that include "kesh".

So why do the schools allow Kesh but not the kirpan ? After all that too is MANDATORY for them.

Indian army rules are not related to this in ANY WAY. Don't drag in more stawmen.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Their schools , their rules. Simple. But the girl would have been let go by the school since it was their birthday. And since color dresses are permitted on birthdays, this 'tilak' punishment looks too much for the poor kid.

 

[Bang Galore]

By that same logic sikhs are also REQUIRED to carry a Kirpan too .... it is part of the same 5 "K" that include "kesh".

So why do the schools allow Kesh but not the kirpan ? After all that too is MANDATORY for them.

Indian army rules are not related to this in ANY WAY. Don't drag in more stawmen.

Strawmen are what you drag in along with an ignorance of law. Rules are rules, the logic holds whether for the Indian army or private schools.

College bans Muslim headscarf

Follow college dress code, Mangalore college tells Ayyappa devotee - The Times of India

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Strawmen are what you drag in along with an ignorance of law. Rules are rules, the logic holds whether for the Indian army or private schools.

College bans Muslim headscarf

Follow college dress code, Mangalore college tells Ayyappa devotee - The Times of India

You are trying to prove two wrongs make a right. It does NOT.

No Rules can violate the right of citizens as enshrined in the constitution of India.

 

[Soumitra]

Strawmen are what you drag in along with an ignorance of law. Rules are rules, the logic holds whether for the Indian army or private schools.

College bans Muslim headscarf

Follow college dress code, Mangalore college tells Ayyappa devotee - The Times of India

@Bang Galore I have respected you as a poster but you are becoming too much apologist for Pseudo Seculars.

Please note there is nothing wrong in wearing a tilak on the birthday. Like the Sikh case I can also argue that visiting the temple and wearing the tilak on the birthday is integral part of Hinduism.

The principal was wrong in every count. How can she force a girl to apologize for following her religious practices. It is a minority institute but it does not give them a right to stop others from following their religious practices.

And Saying I will give you a transfer certificate so that you can remember it for the rest of your life. this is plain wrong. Please dont be such an apologist

 

[Bang Galore]

@Bang Galore I have respected you as a poster but you are becoming too much apologist for Pseudo Seculars.

Happy to have your respect but I don't hold views based on who may like it. These are my views; an apologist I am not. Plenty of posts where I have said similar stuff about other religions .

Please note there is nothing wrong in wearing a tilak on the birthday. Like the Sikh case I can also argue that visiting the temple and wearing the tilak on the birthday is integral part of Hinduism.

There is no automatic right of non-Christians to join a Christian school. Their rules are their own. i did not argue the merits, only pointed that the school was not in the wrong if they followed rules.

The principal was wrong in every count. How can she force a girl to apologize for following her religious practices. It is a minority institute but it does not give them a right to stop others from following their religious practices.

The school & the Principal does not accept the events claimed, in the manner claimed.

And Saying I will give you a transfer certificate so that you can remember it for the rest of your life. this is plain wrong.

f that was said (and that's a big if), it was unnecessary & overkill & I have mentioned that earlier.

Please dont be such an apologist

 

[Bang Galore]

You are trying to prove two wrongs make a right. It does NOT.

No Rules can violate the right of citizens as enshrined in the constitution of India.

It is not about whether they were right or wrong, not like your view alone matters. The institutions held on to their positions, the students either conformed or left the institutions and no legal challenge was mounted nor did the government intervene.

"Renowned Islamic scholar Maulana Wahiduddin Khan also favoured following the college code for discipline.
"If a college has a rule to not wear a burqa, that should be followed and respected. If you don't agree, you can quit the college," Khan, who has authored 10 books on Islam, said.
Fareeda Khan, who teaches at the capital's Jamia Millia University, echoed these views.
"The burqa has become the symbol of rigidity and has nothing to do with Islam. You should accept that the burqa, a part of subcontinental culture, has been misused for suicide bombings. Why not avoid the burqa? It is not part of any Islamic dress code," she contended.
"I also suggest to my students to not wear a burqa in the university. What is the big deal about it?" Fareeda, who is Wahiduddin Khan's daughter, argued."

 

[vegav]

What exactly is the complaint here. It is St.Ann's school, if they forbid sporting a tilak in the school, that would be their right just like there was a case of a Muslim boy being ejected for sporting a beard (SC ruled against in that case after initially ruling for) and some colleges in Mangalore have forbidden Muslim girls from wearing the head scarf.

College bans Muslim headscarf


btw, it is pretty clear that this story is being played up by vested interests.Not surprising.



See the addition of standing in the sun - like the Principal's office is in the middle of the desert.....

The original story carried this - "An 11-year-old girl in Telangana was allegedly made to stand for two hours outside her school principal's room as punishment for wearing a "tilak" on her birthday."

banning a tilak doesn't make any sense to me?

minority institutions should not get tax benefits then,if they want to run it their way.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

It is not about whether they were right or wrong, not like your view alone matters. The institutions held on to their positions, the students either conformed or left the institutions and no legal challenge was mounted nor did the government intervene.

"Renowned Islamic scholar Maulana Wahiduddin Khan also favoured following the college code for discipline.
"If a college has a rule to not wear a burqa, that should be followed and respected. If you don't agree, you can quit the college," Khan, who has authored 10 books on Islam, said.
Fareeda Khan, who teaches at the capital's Jamia Millia University, echoed these views.
"The burqa has become the symbol of rigidity and has nothing to do with Islam. You should accept that the burqa, a part of subcontinental culture, has been misused for suicide bombings. Why not avoid the burqa? It is not part of any Islamic dress code," she contended.
"I also suggest to my students to not wear a burqa in the university. What is the big deal about it?" Fareeda, who is Wahiduddin Khan's daughter, argued."

That is Ridiculous and Pathetic.

In India vast majority of people do not to have to luxury of seeking justice. This is not the US. Courts in India do not work, its too expensive, its too time consuming, its too complicate and bureaucratic and finally the judges are pliable to bribery.

Indians are poor and their time is better spent in trying to make a living rather than fighting for our rights. Its foolish to think students OR their parents will even bothering fighting for something that will bring them no benefit whatsoever.

That is why we have Riots in India, because for the vast majority that is the ONLY way Justice will be delivered. What your are proposing is a Massive Hindu out-lash against Christian institutions since that i the only language they understand.

I have no idea why you are quoting islamic scholars. That has no relevance to the case. A Burqa cannot be worn because there is NO WAY attendance can be checked, or ensure that somebody else is not giving the exam on the students behalf.

There is no automatic right of non-Christians to join a Christian school. Their rules are their own. i did not argue the merits, only pointed that the school was not in the wrong if they followed rules.

Nonsense. They can give preference to christian students, but there is NO way in Hell they an refuse admission to Non Christian students. You need to have your head examined if you think they can do that.

Any Rule that impinges on the Fundamental right is not applicable. Any enforcement of such rules is punishable by law.

The school & the Principal does not accept the events claimed, in the manner claimed.

LOL. No body expects them too accept the events...... if they do it can land them in Jail or worse.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Can i expect a debate on national television about the rights of majority to exercise their religion?

The original story carried this - "An 11-year-old girl in Telangana was allegedly made to stand for two hours outside her school principal's room as punishment for wearing a "tilak" on her birthday."

If the pic posted in the OP is correct then Principal's room can the lower left and outside of his office is pretty much empty ground with sun. So anything is possible. But I agree sometime things get out of hands, but why these kinds of talks abut making mountain out of mole kind of understanding is shown where there was just a robbery attempt in the church but shown with communal angle?

Why all of sudden all the media become a lecturer on open minded thinking when Hindus; rights are being hurt.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Can i expect a debate on national television about the rights of majority to exercise their religion?

LOL... you must be joking..

When was the last time you heard of ANY program on TV that showed Hindus as victims of religious bigotry ? ........... I would hazard a guess and say "NEVER".

 

[Bang Galore]

Nonsense. They can give preference to christian students, but there is NO way in Hell they an refuse admission to Non Christian students. You need to have your head examined if you think they can do that..

Head examination may be required but it isn't mine that should be the target. All minority institutions are by law required to have a certain percentage of students from that minority. There is no upper limit. Can theoretically be 100% unless the school receives government aid, in which case it would have to admit atleast a small number of non-minority students.

"In Inamdar’s case (supra) the said proposition of law has been applied to religious minority. According to their Lordships, “if any other view was to be taken the very objective of conferring the preferential right of admission by harmoniously construing Article30(1) and 29(2) may be distorted”. It was further observed in Inamdar’scase that “it necessarily follows from the law laid
down in T.M.A PaiFoundation that to establish a minority institution the institution must primarily cater to the requirements of that minority of that State else its character of minority institution is lost. However, to borrow thewords of Chief Justice S.R. Dass in Kerala Education Bill, “a sprinkling of that majority from the other States on the same footing as a sprinkling of non minority students would be permissible and would not deprive the institution of its essential character of being a minority institution,determined by reference to that State as a unit”.As regards the prescription of a percentage governing admissions in a minority educational institution, it would be useful to excerpt the following observations of their lordships of the Supreme Court inT.M.A. Pai foundation Case vs. State of Karnataka (2002) 8 SCC 481.
“........The situation would vary according to the type of institution and the nature of education that is being imparted in the institution. Usually, at the school level, although it may be possible to fill up all the seats with the students of the minority group, at the higher level, either in colleges or in technical institutions, it may not be possible to fill up all the seats with the students of the minority group."

......The emphatic point in the P.A. Inamdar (Supra) reasoning is that the minority educational institution is primarily for the benefit of minority. Sprinkling of the non-minority students in the student population of minority educational institution is expected to be only peripheral either for generating additional financial source or for cultural courtesy. Thus, a substantive section of student population in minority educational institution should belong to the minority.

http://ncmei.gov.in/writereaddata/filelinks/c296efcb_Guidelines.pdf



"Out of the total seats available in the Minority Institution as many seats as
possible shall be filled in by all the available eligible minority students strictly
as per rules framed by the appropriate authority governing admissions with
transparency in admissions. The rest may be filled up from the general merit
list."

http://www.wbpublibnet.gov.in/form-details/Minorities_Affairs_and_Madrasah_Education-forms/Form Of Application For Minority Status Certificate.pdf