104 to 0: The F-15 Eagle Is The Fighter No Air Force Can Beat

[LeGenD]

It's not about downplaying the performance, its about them having superiority over their enemies!

They were up against some of the best Russian and French combat aircraft in contested spaces. I think that professionalism of USAF is an important factor.

 

[313ghazi]

I don't understand; why some Pakistani are in the habit of downplaying performance of certain American assets in the battlefield?

Have we produced anything that has 104-0 record in various air-to-air engagements around the world? Did Russia?

Credit where due, guys.

It's like punching children in a playground and claiming to be a better boxer than Mayweather.

I'm sure the F-15 is a very capable machine, buts its never gone head to head with an equivalent fighter jet. Talk of 104-0 is just talk.

 

[RescueRanger]

They were up against some of the best Russian and French combat aircraft in contested spaces. I think that professionalism of USAF is an important factor.

Oh please!

 

[LeGenD]

Oh please!

Mirage F1, MiG-25 and MiG-29 were big names in the 1980s, my friend. MiG-29, in particular, was absolutely state-of-the-art at the time.

Now keep in mind that F-15 was developed in the 1970s. Not a new bird by any stretch of imagination.

It's like punching children in a playground and claiming to be a better boxer than Mayweather.

I'm sure the F-15 is a very capable machine, buts its never gone head to head with an equivalent fighter jet. Talk of 104-0 is just talk.

See above.

 

[313ghazi]

Mirage F1, MiG-25 and MiG-29 were big names in the 1980s, my friend. MiG-29, in particular, was absolutely state-of-the-art at the time.

Now keep in mind that F-15 was developed in the 1970s. Not a new bird by any stretch of imagination.


See above.

Very good point. I overlooked the age of the F-15.

 

[araz]

Yeah you can achieve this score against poorest nations in respect of tech especially when you send 100000 cruise missiles to destroy first air defense then send your eagles....lolsss
@RescueRanger @MastanKhan @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal Khan 777

Yes, but what else would you do if in their boots?. USA is a nation which is the pioneer of aviation technolgy and at the pinnacle of research. The Eagles were designed in the cold war era and have done their job extremely well. This is as much due to their tactics , their opponents tactics, and the support structure they bring into the field. Their aviation industry is their biggest earner of cash so they want to project an image of invincibility to propel their sales further.
So till you can prove otherwise this is just rhetoric and need to be listened to and ignored. However you cant in all honesty not admire the Eagle. Also their support structure is very good. Their pilots are well trained and the world looks at and emulates their strategies in wars. So credit where it is due.
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[Maarkhoor]

Yes, but what else would you do if in their boots?. USA is a nation which is the pioneer of aviation technolgy and at the pinnacle of research. The Eagles were designed in the cold war era and have done their job extremely well. This is as much due to their tactics , their opponents tactics, and the support structure they bring into the field. Their aviation industry is their biggest earner of cash so they want to project an image of invincibility to propel their sales further.
So till you can prove otherwise this is just rhetoric and need to be listened to and ignored. However you cant in all honesty not admire the Eagle. Also their support structure is very good. Their pilots are well trained and the world looks at and emulates their strategies in wars. So credit where it is due.
A

But credit not goes to eagles but US war strategy instead in reverse to what P.O has understanding.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

F15 Eagle is an amazing Fighter but it was shot down during 2011-2012 Revolution against Gaddafi.

The Gaddafi convoy that was on it's way to Benghazi was Attacked by Series of Rafael and Series of F15 Eagle and it's Soviet era Air defence System Shot down F15 Eagle and the pilot ejected safely there were pictures of the crashed F15 Eagle

The 104-0 is Air-to-Air combats. While an F15 went down is Libya there were no indication it was due to another jet.

They aren’t immune to SAMs the US lost F15s in the 1991 gulf war due to SAMs.

 

[araz]

But credit not goes to eagles but US war strategy instead in reverse to what P.O has understanding.

Yes but this is a propaganda stunt and needs to be understood as such.
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[Truth Hurts]

That was an F-15E Strike Eagle....not the F-15A/B/C/D Eagles.

Saddam's "mighty air force" shot a number of aircraft down but most of them were not driven to fight. A good number of Iraqi AF pilots flew their jets to Iran to avoid any further aerial engagements.

You are right! most of the Iraqi AF pilots flew their jets to Iran to avoid any further aerial engagements and also some of the Iraqi AF Jets stayed grounded.

But the US jets that were shot down was not just through Iraqi AF there were many stationary Air defense installation that covered Iraqi Air space and mobile air defense vehicles and shoulder mounted antiaircraft missiles personnel.

 

[DarX]

Your comparison is not sound.

In Vietnam, objective was to prevent communist forces from taking over that country but this did not work. On top, US suffered tremendous losses in Vietnam in terms of men and material. Vietcong was armed to the teeth with the best of Soviet weaponry at the time and Vietnamese territory nullified any advantage in military capability of the US. Furthermore, American public perceived Vietnam War as totally irrelevant to American interests and civil unrest in the US had a trickle-down effect on the cohesion of US troops in Vietnam.

Now, you may not believe this but so-called war in Afghanistan is one of the least costly to US in terms of men and material in history; American forces are hardly threatened or pressed in Afghanistan in reality. On top, a [stable] Afghanistan will not only diminish the relevancy of American presence in the region but will also be good for CPEC in the region; therefore, not in the best interests of the US. Towards this end, Taliban is a convenient boogeyman and ISIS-K has been established to fuel conflict. ISIS-K is not only challenging Taliban across Afghanistan but is also responsible for scores of bomb lasts in Kabul and acts of violence against Afghan Shia. All of this is happening under the watch of Americans and they are cultivating a narrative that Pakistan is responsible for mess in Afghanistan.

Give us a f**king break. US can easily straighten Afghanistan, if it wants to, but this is not its objective. I used to believe in American mission in Afghanistan but not anymore. These scumbags are engineering conflicts there and then they blame Pakistan for mess in Afghanistan.

Unfortunately, idiots on our side do not get the memo either. They are boasting about American failure in Afghanistan but utterly failed to comprehend the bigger picture.

Taliban cannot defeat US in the battlefield, realistically and objectively. It is a convenient boogeyman to fuel unrest in the region for as long as US deems it necessary. God help us.

I think you missed the context. All of this analysis is based on circumstantial evidence. I did that comparison as a rebuttal to that other person and I deliberately left out any theoretical part because that is hard to prove. What can be proven are facts, and that is why a simple analysis was needed.

 

[RescueRanger]

Yes, but what else would you do if in their boots?. USA is a nation which is the pioneer of aviation technolgy and at the pinnacle of research. The Eagles were designed in the cold war era and have done their job extremely well. This is as much due to their tactics , their opponents tactics, and the support structure they bring into the field. Their aviation industry is their biggest earner of cash so they want to project an image of invincibility to propel their sales further.
So till you can prove otherwise this is just rhetoric and need to be listened to and ignored. However you cant in all honesty not admire the Eagle. Also their support structure is very good. Their pilots are well trained and the world looks at and emulates their strategies in wars. So credit where it is due.
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On point.

 

[TsAr]

Okay, F15 as a strike eagle flies with complete network centric capability, ECM, and BVR rounds. With that yes it has not been shot down. I do recall once a wing came off and the bird still flew back. That said, every aircraft can be shot down. When the KSA will go against a real adversary, a lot of their F15s will be shot down. Please wait for that one.

Yes the wing did came off on 1 off Israeli's F-15....

 

[DJ_Viper]

Only because F15 does not engage with a matching aircraft and also US

A "matching" aircraft for the F-15 is its superior, the F-22. Just like the F-15 ruled the skies for 50 years, the F-22 has been ruling the skies undetected since 2010 and will do so till 2040. We even flew against the SU-30's MKI. That was "matching". Ask them what happened

How can you say that there is no comparison between Afghanistan and Vietnam? The American involvement in Afghanistan reached 100000 troops at one time, which is similar to Vietnam levels. America tried to use air power in both countries, and failed in both countries. America supported a corrupt and debauched govt in both countries, and failed in both countries. America killed thousands of civilians in both countries, and still failed to control both countries. America tried to push its narrative in both countries, and failed in both countries. It is not our hate which drives all of this. It is American ego which is is the cause of its defeat and humiliation.

It seems to be that even America is unaware of the limits of US capabilities.

Its hilarious to me reading these silly posts. I got to see a couple of clips today of Pakistani politicians reacting to Trump's tweets. I don't think any one of those guys and you guys on here, really, truly understand the capabilities of the US military or its direction. Allow me to spell it out for you and you should go tell your GHQ and the Politicians who think and tell their countrymen that "Pakistan is needed in Afghanistan", etc, etc, etc.

There is no need that India can't provide in Afghanistan. They are now connected through the road and anyone and anything can get there through them. Add the fact that Afghanis love them and hate Pakistan. So its even much easier for them to get anything done vs. using you guys for it with the drama that comes with it.

That whole strategic location bullshit you are taught all your life, well, its only good for China at this point. So read my post carefully as there is wisdom in it for you guys. Afgahnistan, and Afghanis, do not want Pakistan's interference. Your GHQ doesn't back down from supporting fractions they like. Afghanis don't want it. Indians are everywhere in Afghanistan and Afghanis are going to India for all purposes. The US is allowing India to expand and be the workhorse there as the Afghans love them. So we are just there as a watchman. Everything can easily be done with India. Now when a country doesn't want anything to do with Pakistan....why does Pakistan keep putting its nose in there?

Like I said, read my post carefully and without bias. You'll find wisdom in there. Your focus should be to strengthen your country economically. Not play super power when you barely just got electricity 20 hours a day and your exports are minimal. When an American President issues a tweet or a statement, there is a reason behind it. So you guys need to put your energy in the right place. As you can see from the tweets there aren't positive signs coming from Washington.

Additionally, for fools trying to compare Vietnam and Afghanistan, we lost thousands of soldiers in Vietnam. We've lost a little over 4K in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn't matter to us. This is another stupidity your generals propagate through your media that "look, the Americans are blaming us for their failures". This is very stupid actually. We are a super power and we can afford to be in Afghanistan for the next 50 years. Your military does adventures and when they see the cost like this, or like Kargill, they start to turn your people's heads in other directions. American is the only super power that exists. President Putin said it just last year. So a few thousand soldiers losing their lives for their home country and us spending a few billions in any country, is really peanuts for us.

Again, if you read above and understood the wisdom in my post. You should somehow tell your politicians and military guys the essence of my post. You can't do adventures and when someone gets upset, you tell your public that it was their blame game and you are innocent like a baby-chicken.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Its a very capable Machine in a well trained Pilot but i have to admit that its not as sexy as F-18 and F-16