10 things Pakistanis hate to hear

[VCheng]

10. Neither Theocracy nor Democracy would/have proved to be efficient systems of gov.t in Pakistan.

So what system would work in Pakistan in your opinion?

 

[SQ8]

Some points are definitely more debatable than others:

10 things Pakistanis hate to hear – The Express Tribune Blog

One of the biggest disadvantages of living in a nation as homogeneous as ours is that it is very seldom that you get to hear alternative narratives on history, religion, culture and society in general. People who try and present narratives that are different from the main stream are labelled as agents, heretics or even worse, traitors.

Here I have made a list of ten things that average Pakistanis just don’t want to hear.

1. America and Israel cannot be blamed for all the miseries of the Muslim world in general and Pakistan in particular. For a country that was hand in gloves with the Americans just until the early nineties, our youth has an amazing tendency to blame all national problems on American polices. Right winged politicians are always busy in concocting this feel good account that we are perfect, peace loving people who are being pushed to the brink of collapse by Zionist and Kaffirs (infidels).

2. We live in an amazing country in which supposedly educated people like Aamir Liaquat preach in their honey laden voice that Islam is the most peaceful religion in the world and then go on making hate speeches against Ahmadis. If you really want people to respect Islam, remove discriminatory and archaic laws like the blasphemy and Hudood Ordinance. Learned scholars like Ghamidi have elaborated numerous times that blasphemy law has no relevance in true Islamic jurisprudence (of course now he is hiding in Malaysia, scared for his life ─ a fantastic indicator of how we deal with diverse opinions).

3. Minorities are persecuted in the bastion of Islam that our mullahs have created. Somehow, we as a nation are steadfast in the belief that the state of Pakistan is benevolent towards its minorities. Talk about the persecution that these minorities face starting from the constitution to the school textbooks and people will label you as anti Pakistan.

4. Women can date and marry according to their own will and this includes your female relatives (the last part infuriates them like anything). Somehow the 20-something on a date does not believe that his sister has the same rights as him. And this logic extends to family elders as well because in their patriarchal minds, killing their daughter would not shame the family name in the same way as if the same daughter went out on a date or married according to her choice.

5. The army is as much to blame, if not more, as the politicians for the ills of the country. Although recent years have seen a slight change in the national mindset with the army getting a bit of stick as well but still, for a common man, the army is all about national honour and so on and so forth.

6. Honour definitely comes after nutrition on the list of necessities. We are a nation so obsessed with national honour and pride that we are blinded to the simple fact that countries dependent on foreign aid for their economic survival cannot show much spine despite their nuclear arsenal and Zaid Hamids.

7. Hate Zardari all you want but we are a corrupt nation to our core. Somehow in the perfect world created by Ansar Abbasi and Shahid Masood, we are so happy to externalise all of our flaws onto a single person and party, that we never want to face up to the bitter reality. We were corrupt a long time before Zardari and we will be corrupt a long time after him.

8. Our culture and traditions have much more in common with India, especially the northern India, than to the puritanical strain of Islam that has influenced us deeply for the last three decades. For some strange reason people are much happier in telling how their ancestors were Arabs rather than admitting that their forefathers never left the subcontinent and converted to Islam from some local religion. The ‘Allah Hafizians’ take particular exception to this.

9. Every individual and institution that talks about plurality, regional peace, women rights and secularism is not funded by the United States and does not have an ulterior motive. People like Marvi Sirmed and Dr Hoodbhoy are a classic example of this: despite of their intellectual soundness and rational arguments they are conspicuous punching bags for the defenders of national honour who incessantly label them as foreign spies and agents.

10. Theocracy is nothing but a tyrannical rule of the clergy and the only system of governance for modern nation states is democracy, superiority of constitution and dichotomy of power amongst various pillars of the state. This again irritates the ‘Allah Hafizians’, Napoleon Guls and Ali Azmats who want to rid the world of democratic evils and establish an international caliphate.

P.S. You think I am kidding? Wait till you see the comments…

1.. Agreed
2. Agreed
3. Agreed
4. Thats because the men of the family cant land any dates themselves , Ask @Armstrong
5. Agreed
6.Agreed
7. Agreed.
8. Agreed, we are essentially Hindu-Muslims, the "hindu" indicating our link to the land with its culture. Islam is not an ARAB religion.
9. Disagree on the examples, certain idiots are there as paid voice boxes to raise a hue and cry over issues that mean little
10. Agreed

So, nope.. had no problems hearing most of it.

 

[Informant]

Hahahaha what the **** jani, munafiqat ko parday main rahne do

@VCheng

 

[Pakistanisage]

This article is full of CRAP. It assumes that the Pakistani Nation is a MONOLITH. Pakistanis are self critical as much as any other nation.

 

[Donatello]

VCheng at his usual best.

 

[VCheng]

1.. Agreed
2. Agreed
3. Agreed
4. Thats because the men of the family cant land any dates themselves , Ask @Armstrong
5. Agreed
6.Agreed
7. Agreed.
8. Agreed, we are essentially Hindu-Muslims, the "hindu" indicating our link to the land with its culture. Islam is not an ARAB religion.
9. Disagree on the examples, certain idiots are there as paid voice boxes to raise a hue and cry over issues that mean little
10. Agreed

So, nope.. had no problems hearing most of it.

You must be an exception.

Hahahaha what the **** jani, munafiqat ko parday main rahne do

@VCheng

What did I do?

VCheng at his usual best.

I did not write this article, someone else did. Let us talk about the post, not the poster, shall we?

 

[Informant]

You must be an exception.



What did I do?



I did not write this article, someone else did. Let us talk about the post, not the poster, shall we?

Yeh batao urdu ati hai?

 

[VelocuR]

Date is August 2 2012

@VCheng must be googling to search anti-Pakistan elements to satisfy his ego and pleasure.

Some points are definitely more debatable than others:

10 things Pakistanis hate to hear – The Express Tribune Blog

One of the biggest disadvantages of living in a nation as homogeneous as ours is that it is very seldom that you get to hear alternative narratives on history, religion, culture and society in general. People who try and present narratives that are different from the main stream are labelled as agents, heretics or even worse, traitors.

Here I have made a list of ten things that average Pakistanis just don’t want to hear.

1. America and Israel cannot be blamed for all the miseries of the Muslim world in general and Pakistan in particular. For a country that was hand in gloves with the Americans just until the early nineties, our youth has an amazing tendency to blame all national problems on American polices. Right winged politicians are always busy in concocting this feel good account that we are perfect, peace loving people who are being pushed to the brink of collapse by Zionist and Kaffirs (infidels).

2. We live in an amazing country in which supposedly educated people like Aamir Liaquat preach in their honey laden voice that Islam is the most peaceful religion in the world and then go on making hate speeches against Ahmadis. If you really want people to respect Islam, remove discriminatory and archaic laws like the blasphemy and Hudood Ordinance. Learned scholars like Ghamidi have elaborated numerous times that blasphemy law has no relevance in true Islamic jurisprudence (of course now he is hiding in Malaysia, scared for his life ─ a fantastic indicator of how we deal with diverse opinions).

3. Minorities are persecuted in the bastion of Islam that our mullahs have created. Somehow, we as a nation are steadfast in the belief that the state of Pakistan is benevolent towards its minorities. Talk about the persecution that these minorities face starting from the constitution to the school textbooks and people will label you as anti Pakistan.

4. Women can date and marry according to their own will and this includes your female relatives (the last part infuriates them like anything). Somehow the 20-something on a date does not believe that his sister has the same rights as him. And this logic extends to family elders as well because in their patriarchal minds, killing their daughter would not shame the family name in the same way as if the same daughter went out on a date or married according to her choice.

5. The army is as much to blame, if not more, as the politicians for the ills of the country. Although recent years have seen a slight change in the national mindset with the army getting a bit of stick as well but still, for a common man, the army is all about national honour and so on and so forth.

6. Honour definitely comes after nutrition on the list of necessities. We are a nation so obsessed with national honour and pride that we are blinded to the simple fact that countries dependent on foreign aid for their economic survival cannot show much spine despite their nuclear arsenal and Zaid Hamids.

7. Hate Zardari all you want but we are a corrupt nation to our core. Somehow in the perfect world created by Ansar Abbasi and Shahid Masood, we are so happy to externalise all of our flaws onto a single person and party, that we never want to face up to the bitter reality. We were corrupt a long time before Zardari and we will be corrupt a long time after him.

8. Our culture and traditions have much more in common with India, especially the northern India, than to the puritanical strain of Islam that has influenced us deeply for the last three decades. For some strange reason people are much happier in telling how their ancestors were Arabs rather than admitting that their forefathers never left the subcontinent and converted to Islam from some local religion. The ‘Allah Hafizians’ take particular exception to this.

9. Every individual and institution that talks about plurality, regional peace, women rights and secularism is not funded by the United States and does not have an ulterior motive. People like Marvi Sirmed and Dr Hoodbhoy are a classic example of this: despite of their intellectual soundness and rational arguments they are conspicuous punching bags for the defenders of national honour who incessantly label them as foreign spies and agents.

10. Theocracy is nothing but a tyrannical rule of the clergy and the only system of governance for modern nation states is democracy, superiority of constitution and dichotomy of power amongst various pillars of the state. This again irritates the ‘Allah Hafizians’, Napoleon Guls and Ali Azmats who want to rid the world of democratic evils and establish an international caliphate.

P.S. You think I am kidding? Wait till you see the comments…

 

[VCheng]

Date is August 2 2012

The list appears to be just as valid today as when it was written. Has anything changed over the last two years in your view?

 

[TejasMk3]

Best comment:

why should we admit a lie? 90% Pakistanis with fair skin and western features have nothing to do with India or hindus. My anestors came from Syria, we have the family tree all the way back, they were evangelicals who came to convert people to Islam after the Arabs landed behind Mohammed Bin Qasim, as for Afghanistan region, they were Jews mostly, not hindus as wrongly asserted by hindus, Many Pakistanis are children of Persians, Turks, Mongols, Afghans, Macedonians, and yes a few are from Hindu lineage which are the darker people with features of the sub continent, but to say 99% Pakistan has hindu heritage is wrong, maybe 50%.,

..lol

 

[Cherokee]

What is it with Pakistanis and zionist conspiracies? Do you honestly think the Israel Zionists care more about us then Palestinians? That we keep them up at night? Do you think settlers in Ariel say "better stop burning olive trees, Haider from Sialkot is on to us!". U.S polices are a problem the world over but you're right, chicken is expensive and we have no electricity? BLAME AMERICA. Take this blasphemy movie, nothing to do with the U.S. It was an Egyptian who made the movie, the U.S government has condemned the movie yet people are going to U.S embassies to protest? even destroy property? Idiots!
Hear hear, how the hell can you claim to be a good Muslim yet let Aamir Liaqat on TV? He has proven again and again how horrible he is, yet we let him on TV? Ahmadi hate seems to be a national past time for a lot of folk, but you'd think him making lewd remarks during his Islamic shows would do the trick? No! He still gets on TV. Can you imagine the outrage there would be in if a U.S evangelist said to kill all Muslims? we'd be going to U.S embassys and buring their property... oh wait.
HAHA, preach! Your ancestors were Arabs but when you visit Dubai or Saudi the Arabs call you Indians. This is the propaganda of the Zaid Hamid's speaking though. I mean if we're Arabs what does that make the Muhajir community in Karachi? How about the huge Punjabi and Sindhi community in India who have roots in Pakistan? Are they Arabs? These same people like to claim Shahrukh Khan (oh he's Pathan don't you know!111) and every other Indian Muslim, yet you mention how we're the same and they scream "never!". If Bangladesh was still a part of Pakistan would you be calling them Arabs too? Maybe claim that they have no connection to Indian Bengalis? Probably, I can see it now, a Punjabi from Lahore saying he has more in common with a Dhakka Bengali then someone in Chandigarh!
Can you imagine if Jinnah was alive today? They'd be saying he was British agent!

Yes! These idiots would the same people screaming for democracy if they were in a minority in another country. The only way Pakistan and survive is as a democracy with equal rights for all. You can still be a good Muslim and live in a democracy guys, it works. Our Prophet peace be upon him was a social liberal of his time, yet you look at a lot of Islamic countries today it looks like medieval Europe! It says a lot that even after everything they've been through, so many Indian Muslims are actually glad they live in India!

Credits to the author of this post in the comment's section but from now on "better stop burning olive trees, Haider from Sialkot is on to us!". is my new punchline .

 

[Jaanbaz]

Its all propaganda. Minorities are living great life in Pakistan. Minorities are so strong in Pakistan that they regularly kill majority of Pakistanis. These damn minorities have more rights then the majority.

 

[KingMamba]

When you continuously point out what is wrong in a person they are more likely to cling onto it just out of defiance, but if you point out something wrong in somebody AND give them a way to better themselves they are more open to change. The liberal tards of Pakistan have mastered the art of pointing stuff out but have never provided any solutions in all their shit peddling hence why the majority of Pakistanis refuse to listen to them.

 

[Musafir117]

Touching the nerves which already in pain!
Ek Bhai ko ye bhi Mohajir Sazish lagi:un decided:

 

[VCheng]

Its all propaganda. Minorities are living great life in Pakistan. Minorities are so strong in Pakistan that they regularly kill majority of Pakistanis. These damn minorities have more rights then the majority.

Is that why Pakistanis are trying so hard to "solve" the minorities "problem" by eliminating them? Makes sense in a bizarre sort way.