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Guessing the analysts have begun to read the captured intel from Afghanistan. The AIr Force bought them not the Army. They used (if they are) Burraqs and Shahpar II.

The PA operates its own Air Defences Command since it doesn’t totally trust the PAF to provide defence when needed. Or more prosaically, their own organic AD can’t be Retasked to other “higher priority” missions. Even then PA ADCOM operates under the operational control of Pakistan Air Defence...

If we had negotiate, we could have gotten Z10 with ToT in 2015. Kamra would have been making them now. Instead we got seduced by Vipers and T129.

The decision to not buy the Z10 was a mistake. Chasing the AH1Z and T129 cost us.

We don't, I agree. I have heard different things as to its current status though, some say that work has continued to make technology demonstrators. I can well see a test of such a weapon, even if it's not ultimately meant for active service. Testing seekers, motors, data links, stuff which can...

Abandoned is more like, AMRAAM and the SD10 came and it was hard to justify.

Pakistan Army Air Defence does operate under PAF control during deployments. For instance, in 1971 a couple of AAA units were removed from their formations and sent to guard air bases.

Red zone is not like the Green zone in Baghdad/Kabul. Its has higher security, but its not access controlled, the public can and do enter them freely. And this is a symbolic target, one which would not have much security.

The 212 came with lots of “safeguards”.

Supposedly the SSN was shelved in favour of the Hangor class. The SSBN is apparently still on and for all we know, might be under construction in Karachi.

**** the Kiwis. No bilateral series of any kind. And No NZ players or coaches in PSL.

Reported. Misleading headline. Negotiation with Taliban for an inlcusive government at the behest of C Asian partners.

Disappointed to see the predictable excuse making for goras in this thread. Disappointed, but nit surprised.

Please then transfer some naval reactor tech to us. Ideally the last 4 Hangors can be nuclear. What you say @Rafi

Maybe the Chinese will now allow us access to their nuclear reactors.

Sorry, what? The poor buggers had nothing.

Him and Staniland. The two stupidest guys on it.

To all members....stay calm. We don't lose our collective wits over a setback. Its unwise and very....American.

**** ASAT, I want our own manned space program. :(

1) Actually we probably have a lot more expertise in Aerospace than we did in nuclear physics and rocketry when we started those. We have built aircraft and make components for Boeing. 2) No. For the nuclear program, we weren't trying to make the latest most advanced high yield low weight bombs...