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Conservatism just means to want things to not change. It has nothing to do with chopping people's hand off or not. Does Sharia allow for monarchies? no? then how can Rashids, Umayids, etc implement a system that doesn't allow for their very existence. It's like saying North Korea is democratic...

Do you know how Malaysia and the gulf societies handle these people? THEY DO NOT TOLERATE THEM! Pakistan... oh boy.... if some posters had their way, we would be living in a 7th century mud hut. Look at every developed non oil state, look at what they are obsessed with.... I will give you a...

The issue is that it kills the economy as I have presented earlier.

Yes it is correlation, but there is evidence behind it. Your second paragraph actually gets really really close. We gave up the thirst for knowledge while the Europeans took it up. We created conservative Islam that more or less says the only knowledge you need is in the Quran and Sunnah. Which...

There are a million ways to fail and only a few ways to succeed. One way to fail is to be a theocracy. There are a million ways to fail and only a few ways to succeed. North Korea and Isreal are actually much more developed than Pakistan. So you want to base our society on a system you admit...

Not true. Millions of non government institutions have rules and regulations. For example Universities, country clubs, etc. You can have a non government institution that makes ruling on religious mater and the government does not need to get involved. Remember, religion is voluntary. You...

True, but just look at the numbers. All advanced societies are secular, while majority of the least developed nations are not. Post industrial revolution, which Muslim theocracies have ever been rich? (outside lottery winning oil states) The US has very defined separation between church and...

All of this can be done by non government involvement. Why do we need government to get involved in theocratic learning and debates? The only thing the government needs to do is make sure no laws are broken, like promoting hate or terrorism and leave these people be.

So this is the part where I challenge you. This sentence sounds easy.... but the devil is really in the details. 1. Sects. What sect is the government going to be? Sunni or Shia? Sunni since it's the majority? Okay then what about all the Shia? Do we need two parallel governments? One for...

Bro, try to understand that this topic is about the economy.

Sure. I am saying Pakistan being a theocratic state is not a good Idea. Is Pakistan a theocratic state right now? It's a mixed bag, we do some dumb things like have blasphemy laws and fire economist for being the wrong kind of Muslim. But we are not full on Iran. I am saying Pakistan needs...

I never said Pakistan does, but if Pakistan becomes a theocracy, by definition it would have to. Yes, religion can be addressed as a police issue. Normal people going about their business are left alone. Madrassas brainwashing kids to bomb mosques go to jail. The extremism bit is a very...

Yes, of course, but the question is still there. How much does "following God's rules" add to the economy? If we invest $100 on a scientist or an Imam, which one will give us a better return to the economy?

100% But I wanted to keep it simple, I didn't want to get too deep so as to loose the readers. This rabbit hole goes DEEEEEP. There are million problems that start to occur when you go a theocratic route. No one blamed Islam. Since the topic is about the economy, how much does prayer add the a...

What a silly question. https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/muslim-soldiers-grave-at-arlington-national-cemetery-attracts-visitors-after-trumps-remarks-about-parents/2001063/ Even OBL was given an Islamic burial (at sea).

A critical mind looks at the evidence, not through a dogmatic and unflexing ideology. We have evidence that being open to ideas and flexibl in how you approach thing can lead to positive outcomes. Examples include the Islamic Golden age, European renascence, East Asian tigers, etc. Do we have...

Holy moly, 3 pages already. Okay here we go. Outline: Definition of secularism Oil states Why secularism beats Theocracy in the economy Conclusion Secularism in it's most basic form just means the government doesn't involve itself in your religious affairs. The state does not mandate who is...

didn't answer my question.

True. How many theocracies, outside of oil states, are rich? Okay, so I am actually heading out (got kick bocking practice :) Will be back in 2 hours and I will make my case. Please hold off until them. Thank You :)

Trolling? I gave my argument, cited history and asked to be rebuffed. You responded like a child with "no, you are wrong because I said so" You are going through cognitive dissonance at the moment. Your mind is trying to protect you from the thoughts and ideas I am espousing since you don't want...