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  1. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    Debate is not about right or wrong. If any law follows the basic doctrines provided by Shariah, it should be right whatever label it adopts. Thats why so called "kafir" societies are progressing far ahead of "Muslim" socities becuase they act on those principles provided by Shariah while...
  2. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    Yes you are right. Therefor a 'code' law is needed to distinguish between the sources from which the laws are to be formulated. Have we done anything in this regard? And yes, now we cant say that there is a Shariah law in KSA.
  3. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    Crime rate is correlated to rule of law not to a particular model of law. BTW, do kings also follow them as common people there? I am afraid the answer is not yes. Some days ago a women was convicted for driving-which is prohibited there, according to their model- but after much critism from...
  4. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    Again, when we formulate the Shariah doctrines into laws, we must follow a model of costituting the laws based on Shariah. We dont have one model. Interpretaion of Jinnah's vision is another debate though. ---------- Post added at 03:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:25 AM ----------...
  5. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    I am much skeptical about all of them because of that "Giant" machinery of which they become part themselves before being able to change it. Again, I like the Turkish way. Educate, change minds and behaviors, change will be there. A long long long process though, but concrete. I may be worng...
  6. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    If you could share some links of the documents, I would be able to go through to see what that vision actually is? ---------- Post added at 03:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:11 AM ---------- Does this mean the countries having a single code of law are not or less diverse? Its not...
  7. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    Has any party shown a clearcut route of how they are going to bring the change they talk about in slogans? A well documented road map. I am afraid no one has produced such thing. I would love to see such document if there is one.
  8. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    I have been on election duty for more than a couple of times. I would love to cast my vote in coming elections, surely. But, please dont ask to whom? I should be free not to disclose my political effiliation. But, I promise my self that my vote will never go to any inappropriate candiadte.
  9. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    These laws are kept not for being obyed, but for having loopholes in them. The loopholes that provide safe exit to the 'ruling class'. So, it is a problem not having appropriate laws. Now, the other part. Whatever laws we have, must be followed. Am I right. But followed by whom? Each and evey...
  10. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    I dont see him a part of it as a person. But, when all the rejected people from the former politcal parties are running towars this newly emerged party seeing their chance of holding power again, I feel that he will become a part of it too. Any thing that goes into salt mine becomes salt...
  11. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    I am not optimistic about this approach thogh. I may be wrong. But moving the lawn doesnt mean we have changed the grass. The grass (system) will remain their. Turkish model of gradually moving towards changing the roots of the system may be a long but more effective way to bring about the...
  12. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    I never mentioned you. There is even no use of word "you" in any of my posts. I was addressing a particular behaviour. Any way, I must say sorry if any thing have hurt any one.
  13. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    Yes. Why not. As I said earlier, no one is indispensible. But who will throw them out or any one we want to throw out, we. By voting against them. Not by abusing them. Thats what I am trying to convay. Why we should waste our energy in negativity? ---------- Post added at 02:37 AM ----------...
  14. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    The problem is not particular parties od personalities. The problem is "the ruling class" that come in different guises again and again. Therefore I suggest to talk about system that lets the ruling class rule us, not about particular people. Institutions? They are there to protect that "ruling...
  15. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    Is being "untried" enough to give political power to some one?
  16. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    Then first we should learn what is really debatable and what is not. At least the personalities, we waste our time discussing about, are not worth discussing. IMHO. Issues, that must be addressed.
  17. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    Throw them out by casting vote against them and in favor of a suitable candidate. Why wasting time on discussing them? Are they worth discussing? Debate about the solutions that we should propose to bring about the "real" change.
  18. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    No one's lagacy will remain forever. So what? Is debating about personalities or even institutions a debatable thing? Where are the minds whoes vision see beyond centuries?
  19. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    I am a free soul. My own leader. to talk about issues, not about personalities, take a higher level of thinking.
  20. Khalid Mian

    Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

    Every one has a right to give his/her free opinion about any thing. But there should be a civilized manner to criticise. We also have weaknesses. No one should act like a judge on others. If we dont want anyone in power, there is a constitutional way to dethrone them. Thats it. No need to show...
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