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That's my bad, my English is poor. I mean, the reform of Turkey is a top-down, very thorough reform of secularization. A cutting operation against the Muslim community 's biggest problem, how to adapt to the industrial age. But like you said, it is a top-down, because a variety of reasons...

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Haha, it's not worth mentioning compared with MAO dispute in China. However, the great man would get a true evaluation in history.

Because there are a number of complex reasons, I think, but again with our common, which is a natural historical process.

Correct, at least partially correct, this is why Turkey some changes recently, but, sir, do you have any idea in Iran? Iran's way more interesting.

My personal view, for some Turkish members, we have a word, you feel full when you eat - NO.8 buns, so you can say, I do not need to eat in front of 7 buns, I just want to eat a bun- NO.8 buns. it is definitely more to save things? I personally think that Kemal president's reform is successful...

I personally think that the general balance is always good, you are against the secular forces, but there are other forces to strike a balance to the religious scholars? If you have, you do not need the secular forces.

What is secularization? Secularization is a surgical cut, a cut can solve the problems of Muslims? Difficult to answer, because it also has other problems, such as follow-up to restore. Can or can not, just the facts will show, in any case, Turkey and Iran are two very interesting show.

I did not suggest, In fact, today, Iran's regime is a theocracy, but they still show adaptability in the industrial age, as a Muslim society and the State, which is very interested.

The condition of a premise, Muslims will adapt to the industrial era, Saudi Arabia can also be a stable and effective government, but no one thinks they will become an industrial countries in a short period. However, the majority of people believe that, although there are still some issues, Iran...

It was very similar to China's reform and the Japanese culture is influence by the Chinese civilization, but Japan is a small, "small boat is easy to change direction ", Japan can carry out a rapid and thorough reform, Chinese civilization is a huge social, turned the bow takes a long time. but...

This is still a laissez-faire, I personally will keep the view at this point. Of course, a stable and effective governance, but I personally think that the problem of Muslims is not adapted to the industrial age, if it has a stable and effective governance, and that you have adapted to the...

I make a temporary and short summary. There is an adaptive problem, when the Muslim world (society and country) from the agricultural civilization full of vitality into the industrial civilization, the Muslims did not achieve their own development in the competition in the industrial age...

My bad, too embarrassing, it is an honorific surname given to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, please forgive my ignorance.

How to say? I definitely agree with you on most. But I just doubt. This is close to follow one's own inclination, I doubt it, I think the Muslim conservative force is powerful. We can't backseat driver for the future, it may be good, like you said, if there are more common people become...

Praise your imagination, but it is absurd. Today's upper supporters of Tibetan independence movement, they are the slave owners nobility in Sichuan, compared to Tibet, their influence in a small area of Sichuan,Therefore, they can take advantage of it, now you know it does not matter and Tibet...

I will go to bed, but I still did not meet, good-bye, I hope other members more to share your point of view.

This is my point of view, this is an adaptive, Islam and Muslims is a close and complex system, when the system needs to debug, it is sure a lot of old problems, and what problem? Only Muslims can answer and decisions.

A direct answer, not evade, friends, your views on secularization? Of course, if you do not want to answer, you can refuse, without any problems.

Right, the key is Why only Iran and Turkish scholars do it? Other countries can not? As a society, Iran and Turkey, all the scholars are the "good", no a bad scholar, it is accidental? Or "Good" scholars can from the air in Iran and Turkish? It is not because of Iran and Turkey as a society...