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We all know why this was made. Apart from being a small, cheap yet highly functionable and novelty looking aircraft, it will probably be used as a flying suicide bomb, Aryan Kamikazes so to speak. If the Iranians can train hundreds of volunteers and strap them up for suicide missions, they could...

mean bird you have taken my post out of context and then provided lots of speculative hodge podge opinions as rebuttal. The post you quoted above intentionally was meant for nabil who told me that I wouldn't even be happy if PAF chose Rafale over JF-17 because he himself can't come up with any...

Yeah right, what you know isn't worth squat.

^ you spelled Psycho wrong.

Look here Mr. thought police, father of the JF-17 rhetoric, master of the "I don't have any proof for my claims"...for you to question my love for PAF and make bold claims to protect this stupid kite that has become the pet project of certain personalities, we'll see who will be having the last...

We'll see.

Look which thread you are in beta. By the way, the only way to solve this mess will be to purchase J-10A as stop gap instead of paying 40 million a piece for JF-17 and then slowly integrate J-10B as it completes testing by 2020.

You're right. I should just cheer the PAF on, applaud at everything they do. When sh** hits the fan we'll see who was right.

No, read carefully son. I mean to say PAF should have collaborated on J-10 project rather than JF-17. PLAAF will go forth with J-10B with or without Pakistan's consent. The J-10 is a bird entirely meant for PLAAF.

JF-17 is delayed even by PAF's own schedule. Whatever internet theories we might come up with regarding PAF not liking J-10A and requesting for J-10B, the J-10A has the West scared, comparing it to an early block F-16 which is currently going even further upgrades to be comparable to Block 52...

"In close combat the JF-17 excels at being truly agile and responsive to the pilot's commands." ..."But everything else is sh**" This is not World War 2 where being a good dog fighter wins engagements.

Thanks brother Araz for your great reply, very well thought out but we are all accustomed to this highly uplifting and nationalistic/emotional bravado point of view. JF-17 has become synonymous with blind faith and misplaced nationalism. This is my problem with JF-17. Full of praise yet it's a...

I would like to see him as dictator of Pakistan one day. I'm sure good governance would follow significant well needed purges. While Plato ended up losing hope for a "philosopher - king" to lead the masses into higher spheres of being, there are still societies that can benefit from such people...

Maybe because there aren't any Pakistani Hindus here and none of us have have really met or even know more than one Pakistani Hindu. Judging with the way Pakistani establishment and society like to do things, these guys are existing meager lives in some camp or something. Yes I remember the...

Waiting for a report to state that 500 children were killed in the attack, it is dividing the country, etc.

Thank you Predator sahib. :usflag:

PAF did it guys. We learned how to build a sanction prone fighter. A remarkable feat in itself not seen anywhere else in the world.

Poor PAF. Went to the Chinese to learn about self sufficiency, instead were taught a valuable lesson in hollow promises and being dependent on the Chinese. Still denying this. Now running around to other countries to salvage JF-17 and keep it competitive against evolving threats. What a sad...

:disagree: Let me tell you something about government. There are three components needed for effective authority. Influence - the ability to persuade others to do your will. Coercion - Deliberate subjection of one will to another through fear of harm. Legitimacy - When we emphasize the...