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India building supercomputer with target in top 10 within next 3-4 months.

He's one of the very few sane and unbiased Indian. I agree with you.

I wouldn't go that far. Everyone is biased one way or the other, especially self-select members of any defense forums. He has a more clear view about the current status of India than many of his ultra-nationalistic fan boys, whose "believe-me-India-will-be-such-such" mentality is the part of reasons India is where it is today.

When it comes to issues about China, he is still far off.
 
Nobody boasted ever ,some give purposal other just used it as a gimmick to secure funds, free media usually give sensational titles to attract readers, some stories are even planted to further certain agenda , but you probably know all this but that doesn't help itching in your scrotum & you need to release the pressure somehow, so i undurstand

Whatever purpose they might have, they sound just like boasts to anyone else. Things like Superpower by 2012, Maned space mission by 2015, Maned moon mission by 2020, and 132 exaflops super-supercomputer by 2017, if they are not boast, I don't know what is.

You have nobody to blame but your media, your babus and clueless fanboys.
 
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Whatever purpose they might have, they sound just like boasts to anyone else. Things like Superpower by 2012, Maned space mission by 2015, Maned moon mission by 2020, and 132 exaflops super-supercomputer by 2017, if they are not boast, I don't know what is.

"Aspirations" !
 
"Aspirations" !

Aspirations without concrete delivery are empty words which motivate only clueless nationalisitic blindsighted fanboys

You said you are going to make an "EXASCALE" level supercomputer by 2020
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...for-space-meteorological-applications.343923/

let's see if this can be worked out without setting your power supply right in the first place

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Aspirations without concrete delivery are empty words which motivate only clueless nationalisitic blindsighted fanboys

You said you are going to make an "EXASCALE" level supercomputer by 2020
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...for-space-meteorological-applications.343923/

let's see if this can be worked out without setting your power supply right in the first place

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Aspirations motivate everyone and it is this motivation that inturn encourages to achieve the desired goal.
Every aspiration does not necessarily translate to reality but that does not mean one stops aspiring.

The good thing about India is its a free open society so along with our success you would also know about our failures. Probably you should visit sometime to experience it first hand.
 
Aspirations without concrete delivery are empty words which motivate only clueless nationalisitic blindsighted fanboys

You said you are going to make an "EXASCALE" level supercomputer by 2020
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...for-space-meteorological-applications.343923/

let's see if this can be worked out without setting your power supply right in the first place

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I have read some of these "Super-Supercomputer" threads. It is amazing that so many supposedly educated elite/senior members were celebrating and patting on each other's back, and no one even bothered to use some critical thinking skill and check the feasibility.

Outrageous threads like those would not survive even one day in any Chinese defense forums, whoever posted such BS would be pounded so hard that he would have to change his ID to escape the humiliation.

It is really interesting to observe different sets of mentality at work. Sometimes you just wonder, don't they ever learn?
 
Aspirations motivate everyone and it is this motivation that inturn encourages to achieve the desired goal.
Every aspiration does not necessarily translate to reality but that does not mean one stops aspiring.

The good thing about India is its a free open society so along with our success you would also know about our failures. Probably you should visit sometime to experience it first hand.

You have the liberty to have that indian "aspirations" since 1947 = 70 years and counting

You can only describe india a “free" society according to the indian hindus
That's it

No thanks. China doesnt need an "indian success" story to get inspired

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I have read some of these "Super-Supercomputer" threads. It is amazing that so many supposedly educated elite/senior members were celebrating and patting on each other's back, and no one even bothered to use some critical thinking skill and check the feasibility.

Outrageous threads like those would not survive even one day in any Chinese defense forums, whoever posted such BS would be pounded so hard that he would have to change his ID to escape the humiliation.

It is really interesting to observe different sets of mentality at work. Sometimes you just wonder, don't they ever learn?
Don't be men of outside univers.. We are also visits Chinese forums..
In PDF maximum number of feel good posts and articles are coming from Chinese.. Look at the Chinese section here.. If we post something negative or reality there, Chinese mods here will ban you & delete the posts..
You actually have no right to criticize your government man.. What ever they doing , just listen & obey them.. That was your only option.. Then how can you people really criticize in Chinese forums?? Do you people have courage to post something about democracy or Tianmen square incident in your forum?? You will end up in jail.. So don't lecture us about criticism..
 
Don't be men of outside univers.. We are also visits Chinese forums..
In PDF maximum number of feel good posts and articles are coming from Chinese.. Look at the Chinese section here.. If we post something negative or reality there, Chinese mods here will ban you & delete the posts..
You actually have no right to criticize your government man.. What ever they doing , just listen & obey them.. That was your only option.. Then how can you people really criticize in Chinese forums?? Do you people have courage to post something about democracy or Tianmen square incident in your forum?? You will end up in jail.. So don't lecture us about criticism..

You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about Chinese forums.
 
After initial hitches the Indian supercomputer is ready, but where are the buyers?

Samar Halarnkar in Pune Monday, June 23, 1997

Whoop! Whoop! Whoop!" The electronic din of an alarm system shatters the calm of the carefully air-conditioned room. Technicians scurry around what look like two giant almirahs. Vijay Bhatkar reaches forward and closes a towering glass door. "The door was open, so the alarm went off," he says with a smile.
What exactly is behind that glass? Just trillions of electrons racing through 1,000 silicon chips at near the speed of light. Behind the glass is the Param Open Frame, the latest in a decade-long mission by Bhatkar and his team at the Centre for Development of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) to build an Indian supercomputer.

The Param's power - exceeding 100 personal computers running at full tilt - is enough to generate a good deal of heat. Even though the National Param Supercomputing Facility in Pune is kept at a cool 22ºC, an open door is enough to play havoc with the Param's own air-conditioning, which runs alongside the maze of circuits.

The new Param costs Rs 1 crore - cheap, as supercomputers go - and it's a brute of a number-cruncher. It can run through billions of calculations per second, an invaluable ability to meteorologists, scientists manipulating molecules to design new drugs or financial institutions storing and cross-referencing trillions of bytes of data. Indeed, the Reserve Bank of India wants to use it as a warehouse for its mountains of financial data.

The Param's a great machine, but here's the problem: the buyers aren't exactly lining up. The last Param was sold more than a year ago, and of the nearly Rs 90 crore spent on C-DAC by the Government this decade, the returns are no more than Rs 8 crore (including sales of unrelated software).

That's because the Param is struggling to go beyond its original aim - to break a ban on supercomputer sales to India imposed by the US, which feared the computers could be used for the nuclear programme and to design ballistic missiles. The Param was successful in breaking that embargo.

"The Param has established us as a supercomputing power," says Shyamal Ghosh, secretary, Department of Electronics. "Once these capabilities are established, the pressure comes off." Indeed, the US has progressively relaxed its stand - permitting the sale of increasingly powerful computers to India - as successive Param models became operational since 1991.

Experts say it's because of India's supercomputing capabilities that high powered workstations - powerful desktop computers - like those from US computer giant Silicon Graphics are freely available in India today.

Now the paradox. Silicon Graphics has sold about 50 high-powered computers in India in the last three years, its turnover rising fourfold, while the computers that are responsible for their availability find no buyers. C-DAC has built 37 Params since 1991 - most of them low-powered developmental models that are very difficult to use - but an informal INDIA TODAY survey across research institutions found many of them virtually unused.

"Param's major problem is its software environment," says V. Rajaram, professor of computer science at the Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for Advanced Scientific Research, Bangalore. At the Supercomputer Education and Research Centre of the Indian Institute of Science (IISc), a Param 8600 - installed in 1993 when the US refused to sell IISc a then state-of-the-art Cray supercomputer - has less than 10 users.

Another computer at the IISc has also been the only sales success since 1991 for the Supersolver project of the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL). The Supersolver was geared for a very specialised field: fluid dynamics - the study of gases and liquids in motion-a crucial area for aerodynamic research. Wipro, the infotech company, agreed to market the computer. It sold none.

Indian supercomputing efforts have faced two problems from the beginning. Most computers were jerry-built from a melange of components and needed specially created software and operating systems unfamiliar to the user. Meanwhile, ordinary workstations are nearing supercomputer capabilities - today's Pentium processors have the same power as the supercomputers of 1980. It was only in 1994 that C-DAC realised that solving the software problem was critical to its future. Thus the Param Open Frame today is essentially a collection of 100 Pentium processors - easy to programme and easy to use.

There's only one other like it, at the National Informatics Centre, Delhi, where it's used to process images and translate natural resource, geographic and economic data into information systems that local governments can use. Other Indian efforts to build high-speed computers have also borne fruit, but commercial sales have flopped.

All Indian supercomputing efforts have been hamstrung by the fact that they are based on the paradigm of parallel processing, lashing together a large number of standard processors to solve a problem. The idea is simple: hundreds of chips can cooperate to do the same job one superchip does.

The problem with massively parallel processing (MPP) was that tens of thousands of man-years had already been put into writing programmes for traditional supercomputers. They use a single or handful of super-complex processors and heat up so much that they need to be kept from melting down with costly liquid nitrogen or water-cooling systems. The MPP paradigm is stabilising only now, after some 30 companies went bankrupt trying to find buyers. Today even premier manufacturers like Cray Research market hybrid parallel-processing supercomputers.

And they are expensive. A recent installation of the Cray T3E, one of the world's most powerful supercomputers, cost a total of $50 million (Rs 175 crore), though low-end supercomputers could cost, oh, a piffling $800,000 (Rs 3 crore). The early Params were up to 10 times cheaper than equivalent foreign machines, but today the crash in prices has placed the latest Param at just about a third less than its competitors. And Param, as C-DAC Director Bhatkar admits, "may not be as advanced ... robust or mature".

But then that's true of most Indian sanction-busting efforts. From the atomic to the space programmes, Indian scientists learned to make do with what they have. In some institutions that had no other access to number-crunchers, Indian parallel-processing computers were used as workhorses, difficult to use but used nevertheless, in the absence of anything else. Space scientists processed and analysed satellite images on early Params and will now use the Param Open Frame to design new launch vehicles.

The days ahead will be critical for the Param. It's now supposed to be a commercial entity - and the competition is here. From this year Cray Research, now a subsidiary of Silicon Graphics, is offering its wares directly to India, subject to US Government clearance. Until now, Cray had a project office, the sole aim of which was to service India's only Cray supercomputer - the now obsolete Cray XMP installed at the National Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecasting in Delhi. "There are lots of applications for super-computing in India," says Ashok Desai, south Asia head of Silicon Graphics/Cray Research.

When the big-money decisions are taken, Param will be at a disadvantage. The question now is whether Indian institutions and companies should be forced to buy Indian. Bhatkar sees no problem with that.

"The US Government bought only their own supercomputers and kept the Japanese out. We need this kind of nurturing." Government indecision isn't helping. Since 1994, officials haven't even decided whether to convert C-DAC into a company or hive off a marketing division.

And the Param, which for some applications is at par with the world's fastest supercomputers, could do with some visibility. It finds no mention in a listing of the world's top 500 computer systems, though it's more powerful than many of the computers listed there. "I haven't heard of the Param," confesses Jack Dongarra, a computer-science theorist in the US and one of the chief compilers of the list. Perhaps, it's time he did.

- with Stephen David in Bangalore

m.indiatoday.in/story/after-initial-hitches-the-indian-supercomputer-is-ready-but-where-are-the-buyers/1/276098.html
 
Don't be men of outside univers.. We are also visits Chinese forums..
In PDF maximum number of feel good posts and articles are coming from Chinese.. Look at the Chinese section here.. If we post something negative or reality there, Chinese mods here will ban you & delete the posts..
You actually have no right to criticize your government man.. What ever they doing , just listen & obey them.. That was your only option.. Then how can you people really criticize in Chinese forums?? Do you people have courage to post something about democracy or Tianmen square incident in your forum?? You will end up in jail.. So don't lecture us about criticism..

You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about Chinese forums.

Exactly. :lol:

From what this guy @Lil Mathew is saying (is Mathew an Indian name?), he has clearly never even visited a Chinese forum before in his life. Or even visited the Chinese defence section of PDF. If he thinks there is no criticism of the Chinese government or government officials there.
 
You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about Chinese forums.
Yeh .. I don't know about that.. Because it is an out of the world forum discussing only subjects harder than nuclear science & only open to some elite intellectuals..

Exactly. :lol:

From what this guy @Lil Mathew is saying (is Mathew an Indian name?), he has clearly never even visited a Chinese forum before in his life. Or even visited the Chinese defence section of PDF. If he thinks there is no criticism of the Chinese government or government officials there.
Ha ha.. LST month also your Chinese mod ban me for posting an article against China.. Several of my friends accounts are banned by Chinese mods here as labelled as spam ..
 
Ha ha.. LST month also your Chinese mod ban me for posting an article against China.. Several of my friends accounts are banned by Chinese mods here as labelled as spam ..

Well if you are posting an article to defame a nationality then that is against the forum rules, obviously.

Like I said, if you think that Chinese people don't criticize their government, then you've never actually spoken to a Chinese person before. :lol:
 
Well if you are posting an article to defame a nationality then that is against the forum rules, obviously.

Like I said, if you think that Chinese people don't criticize their government, then you've never actually spoken to a Chinese person before. :lol:
Then I will post an article in Chinese section about human right violations done by govt. of China .. See how many criticize your government.. Can I start a thread?? What is your opinion??
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ty-by-targeting-human-rights-activists-report
 
Then I will post an article in Chinese section about human right violations done by govt. of China .. See how many criticize your government.. Can I start a thread?? What is your opinion??
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ty-by-targeting-human-rights-activists-report

Even the most anti-CCP members on this forum (and there are plenty) will not help a foreigner to attack their own country. Use your brain Mathew. :lol:

If I as a Chinese person tell you that India's President is a mass murderer, you will support me against your own countrymen right?

And yes China has huge human rights violations, and huge amounts of corruption. The Great leap forward and the Cultural revolution under Mao were two of the greatest disasters in human history (the Tiananmen incident is nothing in comparison compared to the last few months in Indian-held Kashmir). Did you ever think otherwise? Do you know what the number 1 complaint of Chinese people is?
 
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