‘Zulfikar Ali Bhutto rejected Kissinger’s warning over nukes’

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‘Zulfikar Ali Bhutto rejected Kissinger’s warning over nukes’
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* Embassy deputy chief says American president sent three mercy pleas to save ZAB

ISLAMABAD: Deputy chief of the US mission in Islamabad, Gerald Feuerstein, who was a witness to the meeting between former premier Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger in Lahore in August 1976, admitted that Bhutto rejected the “warning” to disband Pakistan’s nuclear programme.

In an interview with a private TV channel, Gerald said the US had been concerned over Bhutto’s nuclear plan to match India’s capabilities and sent Kissinger to warn the Pakistani leader. “Yes, it’s true that Bhutto rejected the warning and Pakistan continued with its nuclear programme,” he said. “I was the protocol officer when Kissinger came to Pakistan in August 1976 and met Bhutto in Lahore.” Gerald said Kissinger came with “a carrot and stick”. “The carrot were the A-7 bombers, while the stick was not the direct threat, but since US elections were near and the Democrats were set to win them and wanted a tougher non-proliferation approach and might make Pakistan an example. Pakistan did face sanctions,” Gerald said.

Saving Bhutto: However, Gerald denied that the US made Bhutto a “horrible example” over his refusal to drop the nuclear programme. “The US president had sent three mercy pleas to General Zia to save Bhutto,” he said.

Gerald called Bhutto Pakistan’s most gifted politician despite his weaknesses. He said the US maintained its pressure on Pakistan’s nuclear programme and succeeded in pursuing the French to cancel their nuclear deal with Islamabad. However, Pakistan did not stop its plan despite sanctions, even under General Zia, and in 1998 both India and Pakistan conducted their nuclear tests. To a question, he denied that the US had adopted double standards in case of nuclear programmes of India or Israel, compared to its stance on Iran or Pakistan, but admitted the US did not impose sanctions on India after its first nuclear test. Gerald also disclosed that former US president Bill Clinton intervened when ex-premier Nawaz Sharif was sentenced under Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf. “Yes, president Clinton intervened,” he said, when asked what the US did when Sharif was sentenced. He also defended the US’ decision to attack Afghanistan. app

 

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There is no doubt that Bhutto gathered everybody to kick off the nuclear weapons programme amid much international criticism. Successive elected/military regimes need appreciation for they continued the programme unabated amid sanctions and finally carried out nuclear tests under international pressure.

 

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“It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal”.

I remember gen. hamid gul in an interview saying that when america launched cruise missile at osama's hideout in afghanistan their general (i think the COS) was on a visit to pakistan... when he was about to step on the stairs of his plane he looked at his watch n said to jhangir karamat 'at this moment our missiles will be in your air space heading towards afghanistan'

he said only if karamat had the balls to say 'sir would you please mind stepping off, we have a discussion to do!'

 

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There is no doubt that Bhutto gathered everybody to kick off the nuclear weapons programme amid much international criticism. Successive elected/military regimes need appreciation for they continued the programme unabated amid sanctions and finally carried out nuclear tests under international pressure.

yea... zia with all his blunders deserves the credit n perhaps it was one of the reasons behind his death

civilian govt. deserve the credit as well as they stood in front of international pressure (though sometime they went close to rolling back the project)

my late uncle was at chaghi during the tests... he used to tell that just before the tests a chit came in for nawaz, my uncle kept it in his pocket until the tests were done.... he said that if nawaz had read that chit, the tests might have been called off... he was in ISI but never told me exactly what the chit said

 

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Moin Ansari | November 27th, 2007 | معین آنصآرّی | اخبار روپیہ |

THE TIME HAS COME:

That time hasn’t come, has it?

KARACHI (January 29 2008): The following is an unconfirmed and unverified account of a person who wishes to remain anonymous. The account is the narration of experiences of a senior foreign ministry official who, according to the writer, was privy to ZA Bhutto-Henry Kissinger talk and later witness to General Ziaul Haq’s outburst of anger against US in front of its ambassador.

It was the year 1976 and the US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger was on a visit to Pakistan, to meet the Prime Minister of Pakistan, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. The Americans wanted Pakistan to give up their nuclear project, and Henry Kissinger was on a mission to deliver the US President’s message to Bhutto. Mr Bhutto listened to Kissinger very patiently and then addressed him, “you are my friend, please advise me what I should do.” Kissinger smiled a bit, and said softly, “Mr Prime Minister! In the game of diplomacy and power, nobody is any one else’s friend. I am only a messenger at this time. You should consult one of your own advisors”. Bhutto smiled and replied in a beautiful tone, “I still consider you my friend despite that and so request your advice.” Henry Kissinger laughed heartily, and looking at Bhutto, said, “you are really a chess master.” Bhutto stared at him silently.

Kissinger waited for a while, and said in a cultured tone, “Basically I have come not to advise, but to warn you. USA has numerous reservations about Pakistan’s atomic programme; therefore you have no way out, except agreeing to what I say”. Bhutto smiled and asked, “suppose I refuse, then what?” Henry Kissinger became dead serious.

He locked his eyes on Bhutto’s and spewed out deliberately, “Then we will make a horrible example of you!” Bhutto’s face flushed. He stood up, extended his hand towards Kissinger and said, “Pakistan can live without the US President. Now your people will have to find some other ally in this region.” Bhutto then turned and went out.

This story was related to me by a senior foreign ministry official, who became quite friendly with General Ziaul Haq after Bhutto, and gradually rose in rank to join the General’s elite close circle. In 1987 Russian forces started evacuating Afghanistan, and President General Ziaul Haq was left isolated all of a sudden.

It was a great blow to his ego, and he started berating the CIA officers and US Embassy officials present in Pakistan at the time. Once, during that time, the President accidentally came face to face with the US Ambassador in a function, and in the presence of dozens of other people, admonished the Ambassador.

The General addressing him directly told him, “You people think that we cannot live without your help. Remember that Pakistan is a strong and powerful country, and if we can make Russia run away from Afghanistan, then we can also cope with USA.” The US Ambassador kept silent. General Ziaul Haq caught the ambassador by the chin, and pushing his face up, said, “Tell your government that you have no option except our friendship.”

The Ambassador shook his head left and right. The Foreign Ministry official who narrated the story, was personally present at that function, and was an eye-witness to this incident.

This officer went to see General Ziaul Haq the next day, and pleaded with him very humbly, “Sir, ten or eleven years ago I was working with Mr Bhutto. Sir, I saw and heard the dialogue between Henry Kissinger and Mr Zulfikar Ali Bhutto myself personally. Mr Bhutto looked very confident after this conversation, but Kissinger looked grim. Mr Bhutto had later started challenging the USA even in his public utterances.

However, Sir, a time came when you dethroned Bhutto and delivered him to the Judiciary. The courts sentenced him to gallows, and thus Mr Bhutto really became an example of retribution for the world!” General Ziaul Haq looked at him furiously. The official was flustered, but continued, “Sir, when you were berating the US Ambassador publicly, to me he looked very much like Henry Kissinger at the time.

Sir, based on my experience, I know that a time comes during friendship with America, when it becomes difficult for US friends to maintain that friendship, and the amity pinches like a thorn in the shoe”. The general kept quite. The official persisted “Sir, during our return in the car I had tried to advise Mr Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto also, but he stopped the car and had asked me to get out. Mr Bhutto believed that he knew the Americans better than the Americans knew themselves.

Sir, I know that you also will not be pleased with what I have to say, and perhaps this time also I may meet the same treatment, but Sir, in this delicate hour, I consider it my duty to advise you. Please don’t get entangled with the Americans at this time.

They are a generation of ‘disposable’ culture. In their view, faithfulness and constancy are meaningless words.” General Ziaul Haq lost his patience. He stood up and extended his hand (in dismissal). That official also rose and immediately left the General’s office, and for a long time thereafter, did not re-enter that room.

I met that officer countless times, and whenever the talk turned to Mr Bhutto and General Ziaul Haq, he would say, “Both of my bosses did not accept my advise; therefore both of them met a tragic end.” I asked him what was the reason for that. He had this stock reply: “This is American nature. In reality, they cannot maintain companionship with any one for a long time. Only if you have a love/hate relationship with the US, you can keep their company for a long period.

Like Europeans, Australians and Latin Americans, you should listen to them occasionally, and defy them some other time, then you will have good time. We can also give here an example of Japan and China. Both these countries are friends and foes at the same time. They trade with the USA, but also confront them, so Americans have no issue with them.

On the contrary, we are always obedient to the US and go out of our way in our love for USA, to the extent of altering our own constitution and laws even. After that, we start getting demands from USA to “do more”, and then a time comes when it becomes impossible for Pakistan’s authorities to accept American demands.

When a Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto or a General Ziaul Haq explains to the Americans his legal or constitutional constraints, they do not believe him. Americans think that every thing is ‘possible’ in Pakistan, and that their “friend” is now deceiving them.

Therefore, the Americans change their attitude, after which the Pakistani ruler reminds them of all the services rendered by Pakistan to the USA. He recalls, with big gusto, all his acts of good faith performed in the service of the USA but the Americans shrug their shoulders and reply, “In return we had given you the opportunity to govern Pakistan.”

Answering them the Pakistani ruler starts to threaten the US government, and then, whether it is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto or General Ziaul Haq, Both of them meet a dreadful, exemplary end.” The official then became silent.

For the last two days, I am sensing changes in President Musharraf and US relations. President Pervez Musharraf granted an interview on January 11 to the Singapore daily “Straits Times’, and in that interview challenged America, “If US forces intruded into our tribal territory, we will deem it as an invasion of Pakistan, which will be an affront to our sovereignty, and I challenge USA to dare come to our hills.

They will rue the day.” The President also gave an interview to the French daily, ‘Figaro’, and in that interview also he announced “if Americans do not help us in the war against terror, then they should search for some other ally for themselves”.

I don’t know why, ever since I read reports of both these interviews of the President, I keep remembering that old diplomat, and I think again and again, that God forbid, if the time has not come once again in Pak-American relations who Condi comes to Pakistan and sitting in our Chamber of authority announces, “you have no other option”.

My spirit shivers when I think of this. Translated by Rais Ahmad Khan from Urdu into English. Copyright Business Recorder, 2008

BHUTTO’S PHILOSOPHY WAS FOR PAKISTAN: Bhutto was “Left leaning” and a Socialist. President Johnson wanted President Ayub Khan to fire Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Bhutto launched a movement and forced Ayub Khan to resign. disappointed with the Americans after 1965, President Ayub Khan wrote a book called “Friends Not Masters” for America. Bhutto wrote a book called “Myth of Independence” in which he wanted to eliminate American influences on Pakistan.After 1971 Bhutto was elected Prime Minister and started Pakistan’s nuclear program.

“We badly need to gather our thoughts and clear our minds. We need a political ceasefire without conceding ideological territory.We need a ceasefire to bury dead thoughts and to overcome fatigue. The modus vivendi has to be honourable and above board. Both sides have lost or, should I say, neither side can win. During the ceasefire a combination of existing forces might create a new order or a new equation between existing forces. Whatever the formula, it cannot be evolved on the battlefield of the old or new cold wars. The new international order has to emerge through the demands of a Third World summit conference. The answer to the North-South conflict, which is more serious than the East-West conflict, has to be found honestly and with unimpeachable integrity. Genuine disarmament will not come on its own or by platitudes at special sessions of the United Nations on disarmament, although, I was among the first to propose such a conference eighteen years ago. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto A letter from the Death Cell (2007)] p. 15 p. 28

KISSINGER THREATENED BHUTTO: In May 1974 India exploded a Nuclear device which it called “peaceful”. Following India’s explosion, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto pledged to press ahead with Pakistan’s nuclear program.

“We will eat grass…” Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto’s Referring to financing the Pakistani Nuclear program.

The US pressured him not to build a bomb. However ZAB he did not bend. He stood his ground in the fact of tremendous Americans pressure. In 1976 he was threatened by Henry Kissinger with “horrible” consequences for pursuing a nuclear program. (Kissinger’s exact words: “We will destabilize your government and l make a horrible example out of you.” Within six months there were massive riots in Pakistan and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was removed from office and then hanged by General Zia ul Haq, a General supported by the USA for more than a decade.

“But the croupier was already paid off and the dice was fixed!”I don’t believe in conspiracy theories in general, but the similarities in the staging of riots in Chile (where the CIA allegedly helped overthrow President Salvadore Allande) and in Pakistan are just too close.” he said. Ramsey Clark

“Bhutto’s execution could set off the single most dramatic change in world power alignment since World War II.”

“If anyone in the Kremlin has dreams of power, he said, “the road to the Persian Sea has to be a golden road.”Unless the United States makes a stand…., Clark warned, the eighth most populous nation in the world could be carved up….by Soviet Union….”"As Americans, we must ask ourselves this: Is it possible that a rational military leader under the circumstances in Pakistan could have overthrown a constitutional government, without at least the tacit approval of the United States?”Ramsey Clark wrote ” Bhutto was removed from power in Pakistan by force on the 5th of July, after the usual party on the 4th at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, with U.S. approval, if not more, by General Zia al-Haq. Bhutto was falsely accused and brutalized for months during proceedings that corrupted the judiciary of Pakistan before being murdered, then hanged. That Bhutto had run for president of the student body at University of California in Berkeley and helped arrange the opportunity for Nixon to visit China did not help him when he defied the U.S. (CovertAction Quarterly magazine, Fall 1998) Ramsey Clark”By 10:30, according to the official news release, Mr Bhutto’s body had been flown to his ancestral village of Ghari Khuda Baksh, near his hometown of Larkana in Sindh Province, and buried in the family cemetery with only a few relatives and friends present. They included his first wife, Shirin Amir.”The way they did it,” said a foreigner who follows Pakistani politics, “is going to grow into a legend that will some day backfire.” (New York Times, Apr 5, 1979)

KISSINGER’S VEILED THREAT TO BENAZIR BHUTTO

…..After dinner, Kissinger approached Ali Bhutto and told him, “Mr. Prime Minister, your daughter is even more intimidating [frightening] than you are.

The USA supported the coup leader General Zia against the elected Prime Minister of Pakistan Z.A. Bhutto. Z.A. Bhutto was a victim of judicial murder.

“in Western estimation it is preferable to be a communist leader of a communist state, than to be a non-communist leader of a non-communist state having friendly relations with communist states. The anomaly does not cease here. It is even more dangerous to be pro-West. One disagreement in defence of a national cause, and out goes that civilian leader by a coup d’etat. He gets replaced by a tin-pot military dictator who would not dare to disagree about anything, including the vital national interests of his country Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto A letter from the Death Cell (2007)p. 69

EARLIER CIA INTRIGUES IN PAKISTAN-CIRCA 1950: The same thing had happened in 1958 when General Ayub eventually replaced the elected Prime Minister who was assissinated-Liaqat Ali Khan. The US supported General Ayub Khan for a decade. Pakistan lives in a tough neighborhood! The USSR also threatened the existence of Pakistan twice, once during the cold war (60s) when they discovered that the American spy planes (U2s) used to take off from Badabare Airforce base near Peshawar Pakistan. The 2nd threat was during the USSR-Afghan war (80s) when Pakistan with the help of 52 other countries was helping the Afghan Freedom fighters. Pakistan survived.

“A military junta is the herald of munism. The failure to realize this axiomatic fact is the cause of the confusion in Africa, Asia and Latin America. Military rule turns the people totally and irrevocably against the bemedalled generals and their patrons. Where else can the people turn? If freedom, democracy and the rights of man are to be put on the counter to see whether copper and coffee is to cost ten cents more or ten cents less and bargained away with so little consideration, then freedom is a very cheap commodity and the rights of man are not worth a nickel.” Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto A letter from the Death Cell (2007)p.

SELECTIVE AMNESIA ABOUT THREATS TO PAKISTAN: Many now have selective amnesia and complain about the lack of democracy in Pakistan. It is amazing that the same Henry Kissinger who threatened Benazir’s Bhutto’s father now supports Benazir Bhutto and the rule of democracy. Just goes to show that there is no commitment to democracy, only to personalities and interests.

“Pakistan was once called the most allied ally of the United States. We are now the most non-allied.”Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto (As quoted in The New York Times(6 July 1973)

“It is generally believed that the US wanted Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto to be removed from the political scene of Pakistan mainly on two accounts. First, for the nuclear policy that he framed and tried to relentlessly pursue and secondly, from apprehensions that ZAB was influencing the countries. He posed a serious challenge to the US interests in the region. “Tally-ho. Kill Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, ” yelled the self-proclaimed policemen of the world. During August 1976, Amercian Secretary of States, Dr. Henry Kissinger had warned Bhutto, “We will make a horrible example of you,” adding menacingly, “When the railroad is coming, you get out of the way.” The American had successfully cultivated a number of well-placed bureaucrats, PPP stalwarts and ministers who wittingly or inadvertently served as the US agents of influence. American diplomats and CIA operators not only got most of the ‘inside’ information from these ‘gentlemen’ but also utilized their good offices to ‘convey’ whatever they wanted to feed or plant.

Some officers from USMAAG had also made meaningful ingresses in the
General Headquarters and not only gathered the thinking in the Services Headquarters but would also drop a ‘suggestion’ here and there. Some of the US Diplomats had established direct contacts with a number of PNA leaders whom they continued to aid, support and give day-to-day line of action. A number of US diplomats were not only actively involved but also directed the operations against Bhutto. Jan M. Gibney, Political Officer, US Consulate General, Lahore, duly assisted by a couple of Pakistanis, was extremely active and would frequently visit a number of Politicians Maulana Maudoodi of Jamat-e-Islami and Maulan Obaidullah Anwar, Jamiat-e-Ulmai-Islam of Sheranwala Gate, Lahore. Apart from holding meetings, a wireless network had been established between the USIS-US Consulate General – Maulana Maudoodi’s residence. It was Gibney who had telephoned and conveyed to Howard B. Schaffer, Chief of Political Affairs, US Embassy, Islamabad, that notorious sentence, “The party is over. Merchandise has gone.”

The US had also released PL-480 funds. Over night some Jamat-e-Islami workers were seen with pockets full of money and spending lavishly. A number of businessmen, particularly those, who had suffered due to ZAB’s economic and industrial policies, had also been prompted to contribute towards the PNA funds. As there were no party accounts being maintained as such, the contributions were received personally by some of the leaders. Justice (Retd.) Kaikaus and Rafiq Ahmed Bajwa are among those who are alleged to have made millions.” PROFILES OF INTELLIGENCE by Brigadier Syed A. I. Tirmazi, SI (M).

IN THE LIGHT OF THE KISSINGER THREAT, BENAZIR LEARNED THE WRONG LESSONS FROM THE DEATH OF HER FATHER:

Benazir Bhutto thought that by getting permisison from the USA and giving them outlandish assurances about Pakistan’s Nuclear program she had assured herself of political and biological longivity! She was so lonng. her husband and her overseas friends sold her in Rawalpindi for power in Pakistan and destabilization of Pakistan

BENAZIR FAUSTIAN DEALS WITH THE USA WERE IN THE BACKDROP OF WHAT HAPPENED TO HER FATHER: Benzir’s every political move and statement can be traced to what happened to her father. She was always scared of annoying the Americans. Benazir’s last two prior stints as Prime Minister were a fiasco with rampant corruption, a total lack of governance and the years were full of political vendetta against opponents. She transferred Billions to bank accounts in Switzerland and bought Surray Palace in England. Benazir Bhutto did repeat her mistakes and paid for it with her life. May God Bless her soul!

Today the youth turn to extremism but Bhutto’s thesis is still accurate.

Tin-pot dictators have ravaged Asia, Latin America and Africa. In the aftermath, they have done more to promote communism than the works of Marxand Engels, Lenin and Mao. They are the worst tyrants of the post-colonial period. They have destroyed time-honoured institutions and treated their people like animals. They have caused internal divisions and external confusion. The dictator is the one animal who needs to be caged. He betrays his profession and his constitution. He betrays the people and destroys human values. He destroys culture. He binds the youth. He makes the structure collapse. He rules by fluke and freak. He is the scourge and the ogre. He is a leper. Anyone who touches him also becomes a leper. He is the upstart who is devoid of ideals and ideology. Not a single one of them has made a moment’s contribution to history. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto A letter from the Death Cell (2007)p. 63

Bhuttos message from the grave to all Pakistanis:

What gift can I give you from this cell out of which my hand cannot pass? I give you the hand of the people. What celebration can I hold for you? I give you the celebration of a celebrated memory and a celebrated name. You are the heir to and inheritor of the most ancient civilization. Please make your full contribution to making this ancient civilization the most progressive and the most powerful. By progressive and powerful I do not mean the most dreaded. A dreaded society is not a civilized society. The most progressive and powerful society in the civilized sense, is a society which has recognized its ethos, and come to terms with the past and the present, with religion and science, with modernism and mysticism, with materialism and spirituality; a society free of tension, a society rich in culture. Such a society cannot come with hocus-pocus formulas and with fraud. It has to flow from the depth of a divine search. In other words, a classless society has to emerge but not necessarily a Marxist society. The Marxist society has created its own class structure. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto A letter from the Death Cell (2007)] p. 15

On How History will remember Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

“When the history of this country is written it will be admitted by our people and by the world outside that no individual has rendered so much service to the cause of socialism in Pakistan as I have done.” Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto

Kissinger Threatened Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto: That threat and his judicial murder has repurcussions today on Pakistan US relations Rupee News

 

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Has anyone read ""profiles of intelligence"?
basically it states that the State dept heavily funded anti Bhutto right wing religious parties.

 

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Has anyone read ""profiles of intelligence"?
basically it states that the State dept heavily funded anti Bhutto right wing religious parties.

I bugged Asghar Khan after a seminar with similar questions (just to annoy him ). He accepted that while he was never in direct knowledge of such actions, there might have been "foreign" support of minor parties and certain people might have been pushed by "foreign" powers.

 

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Has anyone read ""profiles of intelligence"?
basically it states that the State dept heavily funded anti Bhutto right wing religious parties.

the one by brig. trimazi??? i think i have its urdu version... n yeah it does state so!!!

 

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the one by brig. trimazi??? i think i have its urdu version... n yeah it does state so!!!

Yeah that is he one!
Shocking , isnt it?????