Zorawar Singh: The brave Sikh warrior

[El Sidd]

Why only Sikhs, its army and paramilitary ... but again we have a sikh regiment with a glorious past . but I think it will be Laddak scouts , sikkim scouts , Gorkhas , Arunachal scouts ... they suits more to the LAC environment and SFF for sabotage and shock troops as they speak local languages and are local Tibetans .

All you have is the past. Future belongs to others

 

[El Sidd]

What do you mean by baniya ?????

Central Indian capitalists

 

[Crixus]

Which part of Central India ...... Central India is twice of Pakistan

Central Indian capitalists

 

[Crixus]

That only future will tell don't have a crystal ball

All you have is the past. Future belongs to others

 

[El Sidd]

Which part of Central India ...... Central India is twice of Pakistan

Delhi

 

[Crixus]

Which Capitalist lives in Delhi ?

Delhi

 

[El Sidd]

Which Capitalist lives in Delhi ?

PM

 

[Crixus]

Which Project Manager ..it depends from project to project where they live

PM

 

[El Sidd]

Which Project Manager ..it depends from project to project where they live

sarkar janaab sarkar

 

[Crixus]

aah you mean Prime Minister, yes Capital city is the seat of government what's so strange in it, it's same everywhere in the world

sarkar janaab sarkar

 

[El Sidd]

aah you mean Prime Minister, yes Capital city is the seat of government what's so strange in it, it's same everywhere in world

but there is no government in the world that is like government of India. it's a mafia of exploitation and prejudice.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer dada what are your views about expedition of Laddak and Tibet

Which ignorant idiot wrote the piece you reproduced? Who, or what, does dnaindia represent?

Some reminders:

1. Zorawar Singh was not a Sikh general; he was, from beginning to end, a Dogra and a general for Gulab Singh, if you wish to combine the two, a Dogra general; on the other hand, Hari Singh Nalwa was a Sikh and a general, hence, a Sikh general who served the Lahore Durbar, not a feudatory like Gulab Singh, Raja of Jammu.
2. Baltistan is not Azad Kashmir. In Indian terminology, it is Azad Kashmir - Pakistan Occupied Kashmir - and in neutral terminology, Pakistan Administered Kashmir.
3. Zorawar Singh conquered Baltistan and Ladakh for Gulab Singh, but not Gilgit. That came later, a joint Anglo-Kashmiri campaign, marked by the most frightful atrocities by the conquerors.
4. The attack on Western Tibet, the ancient kingdom of Guge, was not accidental; it was tied to the quest to control the commerce in Pashmina. At that time, Kashmiri (=Pashmina) shawls were a rage, a fad, in Europe, and controlling the sources of Pashmina wool (wool from the inner hair of goats, not sheep, and collected painstakingly by the goat-herds, was mainly found in the pastures of Western Tibet), was a big strategic move. Think modern-day Ngari.
5. There was no Qing representative in western Tibet. There were two Ambans in Lhasa. One of these led a Chinese detachment stiffening the morale of Tibetan troops reporting to the Tibetan administration of the Dalai Lama, and, after killing Zorawar Singh and most of his men, himself died in battle outside Leh.
6. This campaign marked the only valid treaty between the Dogra feudal subsidiary of Jammu and the Tibetan subsidiary of the Qing, Lhasa. In international law, a treaty entered into by these two entities was valid and binding on their successor states.

There is a very significant point in all this. The Raja of Jammu, a feudal subsidiary of Lahore, was genetically a Dogra related to the earlier independent Rajas of Jammu and Rajas of Poonch. On the Sikh conquest, the older Raja of Jammu fled to the hill states, and his kinsman, Gulab Singh, achieving the high honour of this important subsidiary realm in some time after joining the service of Lahore, took the precaution of getting the original Raja to bequeath to his kinsmen all rights to the new Jammu Durbar. The ambitious Gulab Singh gradually acquired all the smaller states between the triangle formed by Jammu and the Vale and Ladakh. Then Zorawar Singh added Baltistan and Ladakh to this ring-shaped domain with a big hole in the middle.

Finally, the Raja of Poonch, another Dogra, another kinsman, mysteriously found himself reduced to a vassal status under Jammu; the Vale was acquired by purchase from the British; Gilgit was jointly captured by the British and the then principality of Jammu and Kashmir, a British subsidiary.

There was never any historical equivalent of the principality of Kashmir - Jammu & Kashmir - before the Dogras consolidated it. There was never any historical movement of unification that formed the princely state. It is impossible to consider the status of the entire princely state in contemporary times, without a full acceptance of the key role of the Dogra rulers of Jammu who succeeded in becoming the overlords of Kashmir.

Verb. sap.