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ZIONISM UNMASKED: THE DARK FACE OF JEWISH NATIONALISM

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what armageddon r u talkin abt????do u mean the ed of the world?:what::what:

Christians believe that if the Jews have Israel, only then can the end of the world come.

So they conjured up a plan to get the Jews to Palestine and create Israel. Once it is complete, Christians believe Armageddon will happen or something like that.
 
Christians believe that if the Jews have Israel, only then can the end of the world come.

So they conjured up a plan to get the Jews to Palestine and create Israel. Once it is complete, Christians believe Armageddon will happen or something like that.

I think it's the messiah christians believe there needs to be jewish domination in israel in order for the messiah to return so to speed up the prophecy they support israel.
 
I think it's the messiah christians believe there needs to be jewish domination in israel in order for the messiah to return so to speed up the prophecy they support israel.

I wish I could say you are a full of c**p. But sadly you are not. I can understand Jewish Zionism to a considerable extent - even sympathize with the Zionist objective of a fair partition based on the 1967 border and a shared Jerusalem - with necessary security.

But for the life of me I cannot understand this so-called "Christian Zionism", which is slowly splitting up the evangelical community from within.

A new schism is liable to being created ...

As a professing, but highly, highly imperfect Christian, to say that I am concerned is an understatement. Some of the oldest Christian communities since the Apostles' time are being exterminated by a variety of forces in the crucible of the Middle East ...

Who is to blame for this? Who? I do believe that at least some so-called "Christian Zionists" - especially the "shepards in wolf's skin" will be called upon to account for their deeds. When fat Mullah Hagee goes up to the pearly gates, I sincerely hope Jesus would say: "I don't know you ... away from me, you evil doer!"

Until then ... whatya gonna do? :undecided:
 
again you failed to answer my question and ignored it! If Pakistan was not a threat to israel then why did israel try to raid our nuclear facilities twice? your not worth debating with!

LOL, of course I'm not worth discussing anything with you, do put up a yellow band in front of my name so that you remember that next time!

The logical fallacy of what you are asking me to debate is beyond your anti semite hate filled brain to comprehend, what Israel allegedly did does not prove what Ben Gurien said. However since Pakistan actively helped out Israel's enemies in wars means the first prime minister of Pakistan must have made a statement like that about Israeli because you traditionally hate jews :disagree::disagree::disagree:


"The world Khilafat movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Israel to it. And Israel now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Israel, the whole of it, hates the Musims and loves the Indians. This lover of the Indians is more dangerous to us than the Indians themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Ummah that it should now take immediate steps against Israel, Whereas the inhabitants of the middle east are Arabs whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Jews, therefore, middle east is the most important base for us to work there from against Israel. It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Israelis, enemies of Muslims and Khilafat by all disguised and secret plans." - Liaqat Ali Khan, first Prime Minister of Pakistan.
 
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again you failed to answer my question and ignored it! If Pakistan was not a threat to israel then why did israel try to raid our nuclear facilities twice? your not worth debating with!

David Ben-Gurion never mentioned anything about Pakistan and seriously I really dont know where this spin started. As far as Israeli's are concerned beleive me no one thinks that Pakistan is or even was a threat it can also never be a direct threat. Pakistan is (or its secutrity apparatus are) and has been too pre-occupied with the preceived Indian threat. I have heard and read this many times about Ben-Gurion on Pakistan....etc...etc this is humbug.

Secondly Israel has NOT tried to raid any of Pakistan's nuclear facilities at anytime. This too is a myth i.e. conspiracy theory started out for local public consumption. Israel doesnt need to anything of that sort at all. Why? the answer is obvious as there is someone out there who has always had tremendous leverage on/over Pakistan (unlike Iran).
 
David Ben-Gurion never mentioned anything about Pakistan and seriously I really dont know where this spin started. As far as Israeli's are concerned beleive me no one thinks that Pakistan is or even was a threat it can also never be a direct threat. Pakistan is (or its secutrity apparatus are) and has been too pre-occupied with the preceived Indian threat. I have heard and read this many times about Ben-Gurion on Pakistan....etc...etc this is humbug.

Secondly Israel has NOT tried to raid any of Pakistan's nuclear facilities at anytime. This too is a myth i.e. conspiracy theory started out for local public consumption. Israel doesnt need to anything of that sort at all. Why? the answer is obvious as there is someone out there who has always had tremendous leverage on/over Pakistan (unlike Iran).

David Ben Guiron actually called Jinnah when Israel was created to initiate relations with Pakistan. But Jinnah died and the process of any dialogue was never initiated until the late 80's and early 90's when Nawaz Sharif was contemplating relations with Israel but the government at the time changed.

The Ben Guiron quote is false, its from the Arab book of propaganda to keep Pakistan on thier side.

However you are incorrect to say that Israel never tried to raid any of Pakistan's nuclear facilites. Read this:

1979: Israel Considers Strike on Pakistani Nuclear Facility, but Backs Down after US Objections

Israel considers attacking a key part of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program. The idea is sparked when the Indian intelligence service Research and Analysis Wing intercepts a US cable saying that Pakistan will be able to explode a bomb within two or three years (see 1979). The Israelis knew that Pakistan was working on a nuclear weapons project, but thought it was not close to making such progress. Shocked by the Pakistani advances, they begin to plan a pre-emptive strike against one of the Pakistani facilities, the laboratory of scientist A. Q. Khan in Kahuta. However, the US learns of the plan and pressures the Israelis to put it on ice, which they do. [Levy and Scott-Clark, 2007, pp. 86]

Entity Tags: Research and Analysis Wing (Indian external intelligence agency)

Early 1981: Mossad Initiates Bombing Campaign in Europe against A. Q. Khan Network

The Israeli intelligence service Mossad begins a bombing and intimidation campaign in Europe targeting people linked to A. Q. Khan’s nuclear proliferation network, which is helping Pakistan build a nuclear weapon. After Israel bombs an Iraqi nuclear reactor in Osirak in June 1981, the campaign intensifies. Attacks are carried out and warnings given in Europe against Khan’s suppliers and middlemen (see Early 1981, February 20, 1981, Early 1981, November 1981, and 1981). The bombings are investigated by the police forces in the countries in which they occur and are traced to a group of apparent fronts for Mossad: the Group for Non-Proliferation in South Asia, the Committee to Safeguard the Islamic Revolution, and the League for Protecting the Sub-Continent. European police realize that a state-backed group is probably behind the bombings and suspect Mossad, due to the problematic relations between Israel and the Islamic world. Authors Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark will also say that Mossad was behind the bombings, partly based on interviews of “senior intelligence sources” in Israel in 2006. [Levy and Scott-Clark, 2007, pp. 87-8, 476]

Entity Tags: Israel Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks (Mossad)

February 20, 1981: Mossad Bombs Swiss Supplier for A. Q. Khan Network

A bomb planted by the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad goes off outside the home of Eduard German in Berne, Switzerland. German is the managing director of CORA engineering, which had exported a gasification and solidification unit to Pakistan in 1979 to help A. Q. Khan’s efforts to build a nuclear bomb, and is soon planning to supply another such unit. The bombing is one of a series by Mossad against Khan’s suppliers in Europe (see Early 1981). The company also receives an anonymous call saying it should stop trading with Pakistan, and this threat is followed by a similar one two months later. At this point the company realizes US intelligence knows everything about its operations (see April 1981), and so halts its dealings with Pakistan. [Levy and Scott-Clark, 2007, pp. 87]

Entity Tags: CORA Engineering, Israel Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks (Mossad), Eduard German

May 18, 1981: Mossad Bombs A. Q. Khan Supplier in Europe

The Israeli intelligence service Mossad bombs a German company that supplies parts for A. Q. Khan’s nuclear weapons program in Pakistan. The company had been doing business with Khan through one of his representatives in Paris since 1976 and had sold Pakistan lead shielding and remote-controlled equipment to maneuver radioactive substances. The bomb is part of a campaign by Mossad targeting members of Khan’s nuclear proliferation network (see Early 1981). The company also receives three threatening calls, and another such call is made to the local Reuters office. However, the company continues to supply equipment to help Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program. [Levy and Scott-Clark, 2007, pp. 88]

Entity Tags: Israel Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks (Mossad)

Summer 1981: Israel Considers Strike against Pakistani Nuclear Weapons Facility, Dissuaded by US

In response to information it has received about Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program (see June 2, 1981), Israel begins planning a pre-emptive strike against one of Pakistan’s main nuclear facilities. The complex to be targeted is in Kahuta, near Islamabad, and houses Pakistan’s uranium enrichment centrifuges. However, the plan is not implemented due to US pressure, applied due to friendly US relations with Pakistan and Pakistani co-operation on anti-Soviet efforts in Afghanistan. [Levy and Scott-Clark, 2007, pp. 86]

Israelis tried to do this a few times again later in the 80's but once the Indian Prime Minister refused and another time they backed out becuase Pakistan said that they will lay waste to DImona (Israel Nuclear facility).

Pakistan had also conveyed the message to Israel, if Kahuta was attacked, Pakistan would lay waste to Dimona, Israel?s nuclear reactor in the Negev Desert.

Wings Over Chagai - A Story of Israel's Threat to Pakistan's Nuclear Arsenal - Grande Strategy
 
Thanks for that enlightening post T-Faz. :tup:

Okay folks move on now. Nothing more to read here. :coffee:

Just wait until the next "Inferior Hindu cow-worshipping, monkey God worshipping demons wants to wipe out Pakistan" thread :blink:
 
some famous statements from zionist/israeli leaders:

Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25,1982:

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."


David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978:

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."


Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department.

From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5:

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them."


Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, "Complete Diaries," June 12, 1895 entry.:

"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."


Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus stated:

"The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable."


Yitzhak Ginsburg, "Five General Religious Duties Which Lie Behind the Act of the Saintly, Late Rabbi Baruch Goldstein, May his Blood be Avenged":

"The killing by a Jew of a non-Jew, i.e. a Palestinian, is considered essentially a good deed, and Jews should therefore have no compunction about it."


In 1923, radical Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky-- spiritual father of not only of Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin but of Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane-- wrote:

the "sole way" for Jews to deal with Arabs in Palestine was through "total avoidance of all attempts to arrive at a settlement"-which Jabotinsky euphemistically termed the "iron wall" approach. Not coincidentally, a picture of Jabotinsky graces Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's desk. Source: The Village Voice, "Death Wish in the Holy Land," Dec. 12, 2001.


The influential Israeli Rabbi Ovadia Yosef exclaimed during a sermon preceding the 2001 Passover holiday, :

"May the Holy Name visit retribution on the
Arab heads, and cause their seed to be lost, and annihilate them." He added: "It is forbidden to have pity on them. We must give them missiles with relish, annihilate them. Evil ones, damnable ones." -- Source: Ha'aretz April 12, 2001.


Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969:

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, ‘What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'"


David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson,
1978, p. 99:

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."


Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, 'Begin and the "Beasts"', New Statesman, 25 June 1982:

"We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return."


Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet:

"We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters."


David Goldman wrote:

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours."


Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir's infamous quote:

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian."


Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998:

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."


Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum":

"If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."


And finally:

Michael Ben-Yair, Attorney General of Israel, 1993-1996 (in Ha'aretz):

"The Intifada is the Palestinian's people's war of national liberation. We [Israel] enthusiastically chose to become a colonialist society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the Occupied Territories, engaging in theft and funding justification for all these activities.. we [Israel] established an apartheid regime."


Ehud Barak, on Israeli TV (date undetermined, but confirmed by former Israeli Knesset Member Marsha Friedman):

"If I were a Palestinian, I would be a terrorist."

(Speaking about Sharon's policies toward the Palestinians.)


Ariel Sharon, Prime Minister of Israel (date undetermined, in an Israeli cabinet meeting):

Don't worry, we [Israel] control the United States.

(In response to concerns raised by another cabinet member about Sharon's ["the butcher of Beirut"] invasion and brutality in the West Bank.)
 
Thanks for that enlightening post T-Faz. :tup:

Okay folks move on now. Nothing more to read here. :coffee:

Just wait until the next "Inferior Hindu cow-worshipping, monkey God worshipping demons wants to wipe out Pakistan" thread :blink:

only few internet nationalists would say that in real life i have never heard any pakistani say such things in general they don't have any problem with hinduism :coffee:
 
Sahih Muslim Book 41, Hadith # 7034, Narrated Anas ibn Malik

Allah’s Apostle p.b.u.h said:

“The Dajjal would be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan (in Iran) wearing Persian shawls.”
 
only few internet nationalists would say that in real life :

few would be an understatement here. from my experience of Pakistanis on the internet, the situation is just the opposite.


i have never heard any pakistani say such things in general they don't have any problem with hinduism :coffee:

and one wonders how Pakistan is so radical, given your moderate definition for majority Pakistanis. some food for thought.
 
LOL, of course I'm not worth discussing anything with you, do put up a yellow band in front of my name so that you remember that next time!

The logical fallacy of what you are asking me to debate is beyond your anti semite hate filled brain to comprehend

Again, instead of ranting too much, why don't you prove wrong all those "fake" quotes i posted?

Your silly argument holds not water!
 
This has been debunked to be a lie created by typical jew and hindu hater rabid idiots. Don't take it personally.

Since this is a lie i don't know what significance to place on the other opinions of some other people you have randomly posted,


Debunk this quote:

"The Roosevelt Administration has selected more Jews to fill influential positions than any previous administration." - Brooklyn Jewish Examiner, October 20, 1933.

"We Jews have spoiled the blood of all the races of Europe. Taken as a whole, everything is Jewdified. Our ideas animate everything. Our spirit reigns over the world. We are the Lords." - Dr. Kurt Munzer, The Way to Zion.
 
few would be an understatement here. from my experience of Pakistanis on the internet, the situation is just the opposite.

and one wonders how Pakistan is so radical, given your moderate definition for majority Pakistanis. some food for thought.

Don't bring your pathetic argument here, internet is no place to judge the views of a nation. If I were to go by this then the insane amount of hate shown towards Pakistan and Muslim by Indians woulld indicate that they are all exremists.

Similarly Pakistan is not radical, only certain are sections just like every other country. You being the enemy of our nation would of course think that way as it suits your mentality and the general perception you people want to create.
 
"The world revolution which we will experience will be exclusively our affair and will rest in our hands. This revolution will tighten the Jewish domination over all other people." - Le Peuple Juif, February 8, 1919.

"The governments of the peoples included in this world republic, with the aid of the victorious proletariat, all will fall without difficulty into Jewish hands. Private property will then be strangled by the Jewish directors, who will administer the state patrimony everywhere. Thus the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that is, the promise that the Jews, at the arrival of the Messiah, will possess the key to the wealth of all the peoples of the earth." - Baruch Levy, in a letter to Karl Marx, published in the Rothschild controlled La Revue de Paris, June 1, 1928.
 
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