Zhu Ri He military exercises

[Genesis]

Recently the online atmosphere on articles about China and just general Chinese news are way too hostile, and it's just not that interesting anymore.


So I will stick to my first love, military, more specifically ground forces. Anyone can buy a few frigates and fighters, but it takes a great power to have a numerous,well trained, well organized and well equipped ground force.



I will periodically post articles I find interesting on here about these exercises, these exercises are changing the way Chinese armies are equipped and trained, as well as organized.


Some have even said this exercise is to prove to the hardliners that a massive reform in integrating the services is necessary to win any future battles.

Now back on topic.



What is Zhu Ri He? It's a training ground built in inner Mongolia that's the second biggest in the world and one of the world's most advanced.


Recently, a new type of military exercises have been happening around here. The blue army("enemy") are given massive advantages against red armies, to create "real" life challenges for the red armies.


So far, red has been badly defeated, not every time, but the very few times they did win it was not pretty.

 

[Genesis]

BTW, I'm short on time and not proof reading, but it should still be very understandable, probably.


A red armies' battalion lost to a blue armies' platoon

占尽优势为啥没有胜势


举全营之力围歼一个战斗排，损兵折将不说，还让蓝方全身而退。盛夏时节，沈阳军区某机步旅组织红蓝自主对抗演练，红方合成营没打赢蓝方一个战斗排，体系作战观念的缺失，让手握兵力优势的红方合成营钟营长懊悔不已。


晨光微露，钟营长指挥全营向蓝方纵深突进。“01，01，遭遇蓝方侦察排。”电台中突然传来前沿分队指挥员的声音。“装步四连、五连两翼前出，坦克连居中火力支援。”钟营长当机立断，以钳形攻击队形围歼蓝方战斗排。


面对红方优势兵力进攻，蓝方并没有急于撤退，而是利用地形就地疏散，并派出几组人员前出监视观察红方动向。


这让红方前沿指挥员心中泛起疑团：“莫非有诈？”随即命令停止前进，进行火力压制射击。就在这时，空中传来蓝方炮弹的呼啸声，红方两个连队顿时陷入一片火海，进攻队形被打乱，人员装备损失严重，不得不退出战斗。


“营长，蓝方兵力虽少，可空中有无人机指示目标，身后有炮兵、航空兵支援，火力很猛，我们应该加强防空，并命令配属的自行榴炮分队尽早投入战斗。”有人提出建议。


手握10∶1的兵力优势，钟营长打红了眼，命令坦克连立即前压，并责令全营“拼死一战”。就在他们准备全力一击时，接到了导演部“红方战斗失利，兵力损失四分之一，蓝方战斗排全身而退”的通报。


原来，蓝方在进行炮火精确打击的同时，呼叫武装直升机空袭了红方坦克连，并乘坐运输直升机安全撤离……


这一仗输得并不冤


一个齐装满员的合成营与一个战斗排短兵相接，不仅没能“吃掉”它，反而被它“狠咬”了一口！


蓝方侦察排张排长告诉笔者，表面上我们是一个排，但我们始终处于蓝方的整个作战体系之中：前出官兵人人手持战场指挥系统终端机，战场态势、指挥数据互联互通、即时传递；空中有无人机侦察拍摄，空中力量随叫随到，后方炮火随时提供精确打击支援，这一仗，我们充分发挥了体系作战的优势。


反观红方，合成营的兵种配备不可谓不全、武器装备不可谓不精、人员素质不可谓不强，短兵相接时，兵力、兵器均占尽优势，但纵观整个战斗过程，红方无论是思维观念还是战术手段，均停留在传统作战水平，信奉兵力压倒、装甲决胜的理念，而忽略了信息收集、兵火一体、体系对抗等现代作战常识，失败可以说在情理之中，这一仗输得并不冤。


打胜仗离不开体系支撑


“体系对抗不仅仅是一种作战方式，更是一种思维观念。”反思演练得失，该旅旅长付文化不无感慨地说：“关键还是头脑里没有体系对抗、联合制胜的意识，许多指挥员的理念还停留在机械化作战水平上。这次演练虽然结束了，但我们‘脖子以上的战斗’才刚刚开始。”


“体系作战是未来战场的‘入场券’，拿不到这张‘入场券’，我们连跟对手较量的资格都没有。”钟营长对笔者说，这场战斗最大的收获，就是打碎了他头脑中陈旧的固定思维，进一步认识到了体系作战的威力。


“未来作战，任何时候都不是单打独斗，必须充分发挥体系的整体优势。”作为全旅闻名的神枪手焦启珊，在这次战斗中一枪未开，就被判“牺牲”，这让他认识到：未来的信息化战场，是体系对体系的对抗，作为普通一兵也要瞄着这个方向换脑转身，否则打胜仗就是空话。



体系作战能力建设时不我待。笔者在该旅采访时看到，晚上7点钟，机关楼会议室内仍然灯火通明，一名上尉军官正在讲台上授课。“我们利用每周二、四晚上时间，由经受过联合作战培训的人员担任教员，为各级干部骨干进行授课辅导，提高官兵的体系作战意识和能力。”旅领导这样告诉笔者。


笔者了解到，该旅针对部分指挥员不愿用、不敢用、不会用信息系统的现象，做出规定：作战值班、战备演练、野外驻训、部队演习、非战争军事行动等，必须全程使用一体化指挥平台。他们还在每周最后一个训练日，打破建制序列，依据进攻、防御、穿插等任务特点，组织各兵种融合的技战术合练；规定各营营长轮流担任合成分队指挥员，提高基层部队和指挥员体系作战能力。(田彦宾本报特约通讯员矫凡竣)

http://news.ifeng.com/a/20140721/41240787_0.shtml



Red armies' regiment from ShenYang military region, North Eastern part of China, sent a battalion to surround and destroy the enemies platoon.


Due to lack of understanding and implementation of system warfare, the battalion not only failed to destroy the platoon, but also lost men in the battle.



On discovering of the enemy, the battalion sent two infantry companies forward, with a tank company as support.


Even though out numbered, the blue platoon, didn't retreat immediately, but dispersed and sent men forward to scout their movements.


Fearing an ambush, due to the platoon's decision to not retreat, the battalion commander decided to halt advances and start suppressive fire.


Just then, from Blue armies direction, rounds begin falling on top of the two infantry company's heads and covered the area in flames. Massive damages resulted and they had to pull out of engagement.



The blue army had UAVs surveying the battle field, air support, and artillery support.


The battalion commander, humiliated, ordered his tank company to go forward despite some protest, but report from exercise directors, that the tank company is already destroyed by the Blue army's helicopter gunships and platoon already pulled out by helicopter transport. 1/4 of the battalion was lost.



The lesson here is the red army had very good equipments and is very modern, but due to lack of application of information technology including real time battle field condition access to every soldier, and the outdated method of charging without fire support from air and artillery, they lost badly.



This conclusively proved the need to reform the method of battle, as an integrated battle plan is needed to achieve victory in today's battlefield. More and more new strategies and other method of warfare will be introduced to the army as time goes on. More and more field officers will get a chance to command and see first hand the advantages of these new strategies.

 

[Genesis]

First Rocket artillery brigade established

The organization is a bit unorthodox. 2 rocket artillery per company, 2 company per battalion and 3-4 battalion per brigade. Obviously there are other support units in this brigade other than the rocket artillery.


12 -16 of these bad boys per brigade. BTW, each rocket cost between 200-400 thousand, so 12 per artillery piece, some 3-5 million dollars gone in an instant. lol, this is just great.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Ground Forces without a aerial superiority cover is a sitting duck. In the last 20 years Forces that rule the skies have been victorious.

 

[Echo_419]

BTW, I'm short on time and not proof reading, but it should still be very understandable, probably.


A red armies' battalion lost to a blue armies' platoon





沈阳军区自主对抗演练 红方合成营不敌蓝方一个排_凤凰军事



Red armies' regiment from ShenYang military region, North Eastern part of China, sent a battalion to surround and destroy the enemies platoon.


Due to lack of understanding and implementation of system warfare, the battalion not only failed to destroy the platoon, but also lost men in the battle.



On discovering of the enemy, the battalion sent two infantry companies forward, with a tank company as support.


Even though out numbered, the blue platoon, didn't retreat immediately, but dispersed and sent men forward to scout their movements.


Fearing an ambush, due to the platoon's decision to not retreat, the battalion commander decided to halt advances and start suppressive fire.


Just then, from Blue armies direction, rounds begin falling on top of the two infantry company's heads and covered the area in flames. Massive damages resulted and they had to pull out of engagement.



The blue army had UAVs surveying the battle field, air support, and artillery support.


The battalion commander, humiliated, ordered his tank company to go forward despite some protest, but report from exercise directors, that the tank company is already destroyed by the Blue army's helicopter gunships and platoon already pulled out by helicopter transport. 1/4 of the battalion was lost.



The lesson here is the red army had very good equipments and is very modern, but due to lack of application of information technology including real time battle field condition access to every soldier, and the outdated method of charging without fire support from air and artillery, they lost badly.



This conclusively proved the need to reform the method of battle, as an integrated battle plan is needed to achieve victory in today's battlefield. More and more new strategies and other method of warfare will be introduced to the army as time goes on. More and more field officers will get a chance to command and see first hand the advantages of these new strategies.


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Just a tiny question what's with the man purse in the first pic,Right most man

 

[Genesis]

Winning or Losing isn't important, what's important is to find a new way direction for the army to achieve victory in the 21st century.

6 men have already been KIA since the start of the exercise, the usually invincible red armies are crushed, the need for reform is seen clearly through this very open and well covered exercise.

Ground Forces without a aerial superiority cover is a sitting duck. In the last 20 years Forces that rule the skies have been victorious.

Yes, but the idea of the different services working together and new information technology and new tactics is still new. For the Pakistan army, how is the integration of the services and new technology?

I can't speak for others, but Chinese forces are more or less set in their ways and this is a wake up call.

Just a tiny question what's with the man purse in the first pic,Right most man

some sort of electronics, depends. Could be a GPS system, laptop, tablet, or other. I think, forgot, also was never in the army.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Pakistan Air Force desperately needs to modernize and bring the 5th Generation aircrafts. Without the Support of Air Force Pakistan Army and Navy is at a disadvantage against a much larger enemy.

 

[Genesis]

New mobile artillery suitable for mountainous warfare are equipped in Tibet

Pakistan Air Force desperately needs to modernize and bring the 5th Generation aircrafts. Without the Support of Air Force Pakistan Army and Navy is at a disadvantage against a much larger enemy.

Too much focus on the air force, fifth gen not that necessary unless you want to fight America.

The point isn't so much how much air support you have, but how integrated is it. Most non-combat proven armies today are not integrated enough, even with superior air power, the land forces cannot take advantage in an effective manner.

In this thread I'm showing a changing face of Chinese ground force, a better organized and trained army capable of using all the resources available effectively and efficiently.

Of course to actually implement changes army wide as well as the development of an effective strategy was estimated to be done by 2020.

Look for it in future installments, many changes are being tried in the army these days.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Winning or Losing isn't important, what's important is to find a new way direction for the army to achieve victory in the 21st century.

6 men have already been KIA since the start of the exercise, the usually invincible red armies are crushed, the need for reform is seen clearly through this very open and well covered exercise.



Yes, but the idea of the different services working together and new information technology and new tactics is still new. For the Pakistan army, how is the integration of the services and new technology?

I can't speak for others, but Chinese forces are more or less set in their ways and this is a wake up call.

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some sort of electronics, depends. Could be a GPS system, laptop, tablet, or other. I think, forgot, also was never in the army.

Pakistan Air Force desperately needs to modernize and bring the 5th Generation aircrafts. Without the Support of Air Force Pakistan Army and Navy is at a disadvantage against a much larger enemy.

 

[Zarvan]

First Rocket artillery brigade established

The organization is a bit unorthodox. 2 rocket artillery per company, 2 company per battalion and 3-4 battalion per brigade. Obviously there are other support units in this brigade other than the rocket artillery.


12 -16 of these bad boys per brigade. BTW, each rocket cost between 200-400 thousand, so 12 per artillery piece, some 3-5 million dollars gone in an instant. lol, this is just great.


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Good Exercises keep Armies fit and ready to fight and I hope one day HAMAS gets these kind of MRLS to reply to Israel

 

[qwerrty]

zbd08 looks nice

 

[GeHAC]

zbd08 looks nice

PLA best looking IFV

 

[Genesis]

Saying goodbye to "high accuracy," low skill target exercises

直击跨越2014朱日和演习：告别高分低能靶场模式
2014年07月17日 09:56:37 来源： 中国新闻网

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硝烟未尽，烽火又起。

刚刚结束红蓝对抗的第16集团军某旅，未作休整，直接从演习地域转到预设靶场，展开整建制、全火器实弹综合检验。

年年打实弹，今年大不同。总部规定，此次系列演习的实弹检验，均采取“抽签确定场地、隐显设置目标、不经现地排练、昼夜连续实施”的方式组织实施，且必须贴近实战设置战术背景。

以此为遵循，该集团军指挥组结合该旅使命任务，确定了“蓝方突进红方地域固守待援，红方奉命驱歼来犯之敌”的作战构想。如此一来，实弹检验不再是以往简单的打靶，而变成一场真正意义上的要点夺控战斗。

这是一种全新的检验模式。曾几何时，有的单位射击训练实弹与战术“两张皮”，很多环节以旗代靶、以人代装。真到了实弹检验，也往往是战车一字排开，各打各的“死靶子”。

如今，这一情况正在发生改变。记者从集团军上报的火力计划中看到，此次实弹检验，他们设置了装甲、地堡、单兵靶标598个，其中既有夜间靶标，又有隐显靶标，还有运动靶标。

靶子变了，打法也要跟着变。由此产生的新情况、新问题，让红方各级指挥员一时很难适应——譬如火力筹划：靶标种类各异、远近不同，各类火器如何编组？弹药 如何配置？射程如何衔接？再如战斗协同：由过去以营连为单位组织实施，到现在整旅全员全装一起上，阵形怎么摆？路线怎么走？靶标怎么分配？误伤怎么避免？ 一个个问号，将官兵们从传统靶场引向更为艰苦复杂的未来战场。

战斗在午后打响。随着红色信号弹升空，该旅千人百车多路开进，向“敌”阵地发起猛烈攻击。由于靶标颜色与现地背景浑然一体，且大多数时隐时现，部队只能边 行进、边搜索、边瞄准、边射击，一时间，自行榴弹炮、迫击炮、坦克炮、高射机枪、反坦克火箭、步枪等兵器纷纷开火，在草原深处炸响阵阵惊雷、掀起滚滚浓 烟。

打得怎么样？实弹检验结束后，记者从指挥员一路问到射手，得到的回答很一致：与以往相比，命中率有所下降，但只有这样打，部队战斗力才会大幅提升。

一降、一升，其中的转折耐人寻味。

曾经多少次，沙场演兵“以命中率论英雄”，甚至为追求首发命中、百发百中的彩头，不惜提前熟悉场地、反复演练，打固定距离上显而易见的固定目标。由此带来的射击“高分”，掩盖了战斗力水平的“低能”。

“宁要高标准的低命中率，也不要脱离实战的满堂彩。”曾多次在射击比武中取得优异成绩的坦克一级射手刘年根，这一仗勉强打出了良好。他告诉记者，真打实抗的良好，要比降低训练标准的优秀含金量高得多。

靶场上的变迁，引领参演官兵从“靶场思维”向“战场思维”转变。此次系列演习，很多指挥员在接受采访时，都表达了共同的感受：要达到训练与实战一体化，就必须把高分低能的“靶场模式”清出训练场，一切按“战场法则”办事。

什么是战场法则？某旅旅长周玉印一语概括：就是仗怎么打，兵就怎么练。(记者 梁蓬飞 特约记者 李大勇 刘德武)

The days of high accuracy exercises are over. A recent Red team after finishing their turn at the combat exercise was immediately ordered to conduct live fire exercises.

To make the conditions more realistic, targets are now hidden and the exact location will be drawn via a lot.

With these new realistic training methods, the former way of doing things like scouting before hand and training for exercises are over.

The targets are random and hidden, even the field is not a certainty.

Before it was a battalion doing the exercise, now the whole brigade will tackle the exercise together. How to position the troops, how to coordinate, where are the targets, the distance, what type of artillery to use and all kinds of new questions are now present.

The result?

The accuracy have gone down, but this is good for the army, as training under realistic situations are now the number one priority and no more mock "shows."

Tibet anti air brigade using three different Chinese systems.

However, these newly equipped unit's combat effectiveness is not as it should be.....yet. In a mock battle between SU-30, and this brigade, after three hours of battle, the brigade was wiped out. Which means, at least today, the anti air brigade will not be too effective against Indian SU-30.

More training and planning as well as new strategies need to be completed.

But to find fault is the number one thing an army can do, so as to improve for next time.

 

[Beast]

I am afraid too integrated may not be a good thing. Once those joint system is knock out. Your whole army is as good as dead. Unit to rely on technology are unable to make it own decision when necessary.

That is why China invest heavily on anti access technology. They know US armed forces will be doom once they are non joint. US modern doctrine are now based solely on joint services. Information technology. No info and they will stop fighting.

A joint info tech armed forces are good against mediocre armed forces since you have all the info and unit concentration which can be more effective uses and gain upper hand.

But a fight between 2 very modern armed forces capable of bringing down each other satellite. That will be a different story.

 

[Genesis]

I am afraid too integrated may not be a good thing. Once those joint system is knock out. Your whole army is as good as dead. Unit to rely on technology are unable to make it own decision when necessary.

That is why China invest heavily on anti access technology. They know US armed forces will be doom once they are non joint. US modern doctrine are now based solely on joint services. Information technology. No info be they will stop fighting.

A joint info tech armed forces are good against mediocre armed forces since you have all the info and unit concentration can more effective uses and gain upperhand.

But a fight between 2 very modern armed forces capable of bringing down each other satellite. That will be a different story.

Paper maps, survival skills, and other "manual" tasks are still very important. This integration is more about different services. For example, the platoon vs the battalion example. The battalion charged head first as is the norm, they may have chose fire support via artillery, but the blue team used drones, live battlefield feedback, helicopter gun ships and transport, fighter jets, artillery and more.


The battlefield will be more integrated meaning, all the services will be involved and each will be given a task to better accomplish the overall task. Like the AEGIS system, which is also the direction Americans are going for with the F-35.


The blue team uses all the strategies employeed by the Americans through their wars and new tactics developed by PLA as well as some unnatural advantages given by the directors, and the result is total victory over traditional Chinese tactics. The one time, red team won and it was so "bloody", that it was like back to Korea.


As of now, China will face off against weaker land armies and the key to reduce casualties is concentrated and accurate fire power, greater mobility, fast decision making, and more.

Your concern with technology is valid, but just look at this exercise, if you can't knock out the other's whole system, you may as well be the spokesperson for tomb stones, cause that's all the commander will be good for.