Zero loadshedding for industrial sector till December

[VCheng]

Sadly even if some how this miracle happens and I do wish for it, it won't solve the problem.

The issue is not only on the supply side - as we have come to know well.

In India despite their being sufficient electricity in many cases the regional grids don't buy power from the central one due to massive indebtedness which is caused by non payment of electricity dues, corruption, transmission losses among many many other things. As a result even state capitals like Ranchi face power cuts ranging for 6 - 8 hours a day. I would leave the situation of villages and tier 3 towns to your imagination.

Pakistan should also plan on ensuring that that increased supply doesn't become a millstone around their neck as if not profitable the public services atleast has to remain solvent to ensure proper delivery.

Regards

The basic problems afflicting the power sector are circular debt and theft, and not generation capacity. I see no real attempts to resolve the fundamental issues but merely the proverbial rearrangements of deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[Spectre]

The basic problems afflicting the power sector are circular debt and theft, and not generation capacity. I see no real attempts to resolve the fundamental issues but merely the proverbial rearrangements of deck chairs on the Titanic.

It is basic natural law that things take the path of least resistance.

Systemic reforms will be highly un-popular among all stake holders.

 

[VCheng]

It is basic natural law that things take the path of least resistance.

Systemic reforms will be highly un-popular.

The problem has been allowed to fester and grow for so long that even with systemic reforms, it will take several decades to get a grip. Decades. Anybody promising quick fixes is simply lying.

 

[Imran Khan]

and then after december ?

 

[Spectre]

The problem has been allowed to fester and grow for so long that even with systemic reforms, it will take several decades to get a grip. Decades. Anybody promising quick fixes is simply lying.

It can be done with complete privatization - quick and extremely painful fix. However the cost to end user would be prohibitively high along with access issues.

This is the only solution I can think of.

and then after december ?

January? Jokes aside, new deadline

 

[Great Sachin]

DISCO....

 

[Bang Galore]

The problem has been allowed to fester and grow for so long that even with systemic reforms, it will take several decades to get a grip. Decades. Anybody promising quick fixes is simply lying.

The government was stupid. When oil prices went down, they allowed themselves to be bullied to pass on the full reduction. In India, the government increased duties while continuing to reduce so that its coffers were benefitted to tune of tens of billions of dollars. Pakistan could easily have got atleast a few billion dollars by simply doing the same thing but NS was short-sighted & reduced the price for which he got credit of exactly zero from the people. There are no short cuts to these reforms but if you throw away a bonanza when you have one come your way, then you deserve what you get.

 

[Yousafzai_M]

The business hours will be reduced, like it is in other countries. In the US, majority of the shops close by 9 PM and some earlier. Same rules will be applicable. And the might have a project or two partially going online which will help too. Some load will be sent over to people of course.

No one has a magic wand to fix 70 years of eff-up in 3. People who are going to take your frustration out on this government, should also cuss and verbally abuse the Presi-Gen's who ran Pakistan like their own Tank or Canon and didn't do jack for the people.

But, early - mid 2018, this issue would have become a part of the dark past that no one would want to discuss. Just wait and let the system do what no one's able to do WITHOUT a system for the past 70 years!!



It wasn't six months. It was 2 weeks. You misquoted them. But too bad, now you can cry till 2018 and as they've ACTUALLY announced, this issue would be history (or 90% of it). Still not bad. Fixing such a massive eff-up for the past 70 years in 5 years, I am impressed!! The system should continue to work and deliver to people.

So basically they lied during their campaign that they would end load shedding within months?

And how much do you want to bet that they are lying yet again?

 

[Spectre]

The government was stupid. When oil prices went down, they allowed themselves to be bullied to pass on the full reduction. In India, the government increased duties while continuing to reduce so that its coffers were benefitted to tune of tens of billions of dollars. Pakistan could easily have got atleast a few billion dollars by simply doing the same thing but NS was short-sighted & reduced the price for which he got credit of exactly zero from the people. There are no short cuts to these reforms but if you throw away a bonanza when you have one come your way, then you deserve what you get.

This is unfair, savings accrued to people and it's effect on logistics which further effects CPI is something which needs to be looked into. For a poor family surviving on few bucks a day the savings in terms of reduced price of basic food items matter - similarly for a middle class primary wage earner - savings of amount spent on petrol/diesel in his commute - lower grocery expenses matter. The lower freight cost can also act as booster for industrial growth

My point - The failure could have been not properly communicating the said gains and heaping public adulation.

The reduction or lack there of is a policy decision contingent of various factors and what works in India may not work in Pakistan.

Regards

 

[Yousafzai_M]

As though you don't know how electricity is generated, and how long does it take to get someone to invest, plan, buy and setup machinery, hire and train people, trial run and then go full steam.

Thats a question for the takla fart and shobda baaz sharif who promised to end it within six months.

 

[Bang Galore]

This is unfair, savings accrued to people and it's effect on logistics which further effects CPI is something which needs to be looked into. For a poor family surviving on few bucks a day the savings in terms of reduced price of basic food items matter - similarly for a middle class primary wage earner - savings of amount spent on petrol/diesel in his commute - lower grocery expenses matter. The lower freight cost can also act as booster for industrial growth

My point - The failure could have been not properly communicating the said gains and heaping public adulation.

The reduction or lack there of is a policy decision contingent of various factors and what works in India may not work in Pakistan.

Regards

Not unfair at all. The damage that a weakened economy can do to the ordinary people is much more than a small increase which is not felt anyways & people have already been accustomed to (since it is actually still reducing). Everything has to be seen in the context of the economic situation that a country is in. Not having electricity is far more financially destructive than paying a bit more for fuel.

 

[Spectre]

Not unfair at all. The damage that a weakened economy can do to the ordinary people is much more than a small increase which is not felt anyways & people have already been accustomed to (since it is actually still reducing). Everything has to be seen in the context of the economic situation that a country is in. Not having electricity is far more financially destructive than paying a bit more for fuel.

Assumption inherent in the above argument is that the increased revenue to the exchequer will be utilized effectively and efficiently. Where as we know that the Govt in our neighborhood is as inefficient if not more than ours.

What happens is that Govt functions on bare minimum basis with enough expenditure done to keep the facade of development going where as underneath the increased revenue would just lead to increased wastefulness and corruption.

We are circling over age old debate over taxes and role of government. In our case (India and Pakistan) privatization and passing on the savings to end user makes much more sense due to wastage and leakages inherent in govt functioning and expenditure.

 

[Bang Galore]

Assumption inherent in the above argument is that the increased revenue to the exchequer will be utilized effectively and efficiently. Where as we know that the Govt in our neighborhood is as inefficient if not more than ours.

Spending effectively or efficiently is hardly the issue here. The government in Pakistan has no money, this was a once in the lifetime chance to get finances flowing in. Even a staggered reduction would have benefiited Pakistan immensely.

What happens is that Govt functions on bare minimum basis with enough expenditure done to keep the facade of development going where as underneath the increased revenue would just lead to increased wastefulness and corruption.

We are circling over age old debate over taxes and role of government. In our case (India and Pakistan) privatization and passing on the savings to end user makes much more sense due to wastage and leakages inherent in govt functioning and expenditure

The government cannot & will not privatise if it guarantees their removal from power. One must have something to offer to the people other than the stick. One never gets such a chance in normal course, the Pakistanis looked a gift horse in the eye while the Modi government, even while passing on substantial reductions, still used the money to shore up the fiscal situation. Nobody In Pakistan would have cared if the reduction was 10 rupees instead of 15. That 5 rupees could have given Pakistan's economy a welcome & much needed boost. No one would have felt any pain, never again will such a chance come by.

 

[Spectre]

Spending effectively or efficiently is hardly the issue here. The government in Pakistan has no money, this was a once in the lifetime chance to get finances flowing in. Even a staggered reduction would have benefiited Pakistan immensely.

The government cannot & will not privatise if it guarantees their removal from power. One must have something to offer to the people other than the stick. One never gets such a chance in normal course, the Pakistanis looked a gift horse in the eye while the Modi government, even while passing on substantial reductions, still used the money to shore up the fiscal situation. Nobody In Pakistan would have cared if the reduction was 10 rupees instead of 15. That 5 rupees could have given Pakistan's economy a welcome & much needed boost. No one would have felt any pain, never again will such a chance come by.

It is the issue - Having 10s of Billions of USD makes no difference if they are going to spent on vanity projects in civilian arena or have it siphoned off to god knows where. We all know Defense establishment and Creditors would one way or other get their pound of flesh.

Atleast this way some money reaches the intended beneficiary and the the agencies which dole out aid can use the carrot and stick approach to drive reforms as IMF did in 90s India.

 

[Muhammad Jabran]

This is some what good plus bad news