Zara Gill.. asi murdabaad nahi keh sakde pakistan nu

[M.Bison]

No need though for Indian Sikhs to love Muslims or Pakistanis....just need them to hate Hindutva more. To be honest, many already do.

I understand what you mean. I was talking about alignment. Why do you think we align with Arabs, Chinese, and other nations. It is due to mutual ideology and interests.

The Sikh ideology is more aligned to Hindus because of their mutual hatred for Muslims and Islam.

 

[dalvash]

The Sikh ideology is more aligned to Hindus because of their mutual hatred for Muslims and Islam.

To be fair, I have interacted with lots of Sikhs and never got that impression.

 

[M.Bison]

To be fair, I have interacted with lots of Sikhs and never got that impression.

True, I have interacted with many Sikhs and Indians in US. There are good and bad people everywhere. I have had a lot of professors that are Hindus from India. They were very nice and have thought me a lot. But just because your next-door neighbor or colleague is not like that does not mean that when push comes to shove that they will hold your hand while skipping in the dandelion fields. We should look at examples in history for that.

 

[blueazure]

I don't claim to be a modern-day Sun Tzu like you my friend. But wars have always been fought the same way and it is you who doesn't realize this. The methods of warfare have always been the same. The groundwork for war will always be the same. The only thing that has changed is the tools of warfare. The COAS and Imran Khan have done nothing new. If Sikhs are a tool for warfare then they are a terrible tool.

My point is that the Sikhs will never have good feelings towards Pakistan because it is ingrained into their culture to hate Muslims. Their culture and religion are more aligned with the Hindus than Muslims even though they claim to be monotheistic. You need to learn about the history of people. It is in the Sikh's identity to hate Muslims it is part of what makes their civilization "great". Unfortunately, Pakistan has tried to play chess with the Sikhs in the recent past and the efforts were wasted.
After the Khalistan failure, India has been doing a lot of work within Punjab and The Sikhs are too weak even in Punjab. The majority of them are more Nationalists than the Hindus and playing Punjabi-Punjabi with them will do us no good.

Its interesting you mentioned the Yahood and Hindus but you don't put Sikhs in the same contexts. When British India was being carved out why do you think the Sikhs joined Hindus?

Our problem in Pakistan is a lack of identity and a rampant lack of education. People like you don't know anything and claim expertise in everything. You want to win the hearts and minds of people? You don't realize that the Pakistani establishment has lost the hearts and minds of its own people. The public opinion within Pakistan is so polarized that it is a tinderbox waiting to blow.

So who is living in the cave? Is it me or you? I like the chess analogy because it sounds really cool. But I think you misunderstood my post and chess in general... Unfortunately, you don't realize that chess is an ever-evolving game. Victory is not based on one good move but a collection of moves. You have to look at the board as a whole and strategize accordingly.

You are right I could benefit from reading more. But I think you need to learn about the realities inside of Pakistan. We are a reactionary people and always have lived in India's shadow. Its time to build our own identity and capability. We need to invest in our own people before we look at others. The founding fathers of Pakistan tried to build an identity for us but we have lost our way. People like you are too immature to understand that.

Lastly, my mind might be a commoner's mind, but I am definitely not as stupid as you.

.......... and sir , , let me add to your spot-on post ,


1. sikhs purchased kashmir for 1.5 lac from the british in 1850s

2. sikhs sold kashmir to india in 47

3. sikhs were the dogs of hindus in 47 . muslim massacres ?

4. sikhs would gladly bow and suck up to their hindu lords . sikhs are the main fighting units in the Indian army

5. sikhs would soon 'claim' rights on kartarpur and nankana sahab, they ruled punjab afterall


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you are right, our punjabi brothers are too gullible and naive, short memories really , no wonder punjab was sacked by every invader in history

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my take , let the sikhs fight for khalistan in 2020 and let modi beat the hell out of them, if they make khalistan, good for us ( we have a buffer state ) . if they get smashed,,,,, well .....

you also talk about chess analogy in your post, its such a fallacy that we play dumb games like candy crush every day yet never study chess,,,

back in 1944 dec, when the polish resistance finally mustered enough courage and rose against the german garrison in warsaw, the soviet forces were merely 12 miles away across the river . had stalin wanted, he could have rolled forward and 'helped' the polish resistance kick the germans out ( as was expected of them) ,,, yet stalin held his forces and let the germans 'finish' the job of quashing the polish uprising. only when it was totally crushed ,did stalin move his forces and smashed the germans .

it would have more no strategic sense to let the poles drive the germans out and then having to negotiate with them post war ..

 

[Kaniska]

Sikhs will never be in favor of Muslims. Their tradition and religion teaches them to hate Muslims. Pakistani Punjabis need to let go of this fake brotherhood. Nationalism has gotten us nowhere and we are wasting our time promoting this bullshit religious tourism... Our brothers are muslims whether they are black, white, yellow, blue, orange, rainbow w/e the ****. Not these kuffars. Our enemy is preparing for war and we are greasing our asses so that a few turban heads can praise us. I feel sorry for my fellow Punjabis from Pakistan.

If you guys want to know about the Sikh history and their brotherhood with Muslim punjabis then go read some authentic sources of the times and you will understand how they gained power and were crushed. Then they have demonized Islam and Muslims and that is ingrained in their religion.

Go read the guru's fake journey to mecca and also how the 10th guru tried to pillage and rape the Punjab only to be captured and forgiven by Aurangzeb. Then they demonize him and Muslims years later when they got into power.

Primary loss of life was in both sides of Punjab due to some obvious reason.

 

[M.Bison]

Primary loss of life was in both sides of Punjab due to some obvious reason.

and what was that? Enlighten US. btw, Are you punjabi?

 

[Rafi]

I don't claim to be a modern-day Sun Tzu like you my friend. But wars have always been fought the same way and it is you who doesn't realize this. The methods of warfare have always been the same. The groundwork for war will always be the same. The only thing that has changed is the tools of warfare. The COAS and Imran Khan have done nothing new. If Sikhs are a tool for warfare then they are a terrible tool.

My point is that the Sikhs will never have good feelings towards Pakistan because it is ingrained into their culture to hate Muslims. Their culture and religion are more aligned with the Hindus than Muslims even though they claim to be monotheistic. You need to learn about the history of people. It is in the Sikh's identity to hate Muslims it is part of what makes their civilization "great". Unfortunately, Pakistan has tried to play chess with the Sikhs in the recent past and the efforts were wasted.
After the Khalistan failure, India has been doing a lot of work within Punjab and The Sikhs are too weak even in Punjab. The majority of them are more Nationalists than the Hindus and playing Punjabi-Punjabi with them will do us no good.

Its interesting you mentioned the Yahood and Hindus but you don't put Sikhs in the same contexts. When British India was being carved out why do you think the Sikhs joined Hindus?

Our problem in Pakistan is a lack of identity and a rampant lack of education. People like you don't know anything and claim expertise in everything. You want to win the hearts and minds of people? You don't realize that the Pakistani establishment has lost the hearts and minds of its own people. The public opinion within Pakistan is so polarized that it is a tinderbox waiting to blow.

So who is living in the cave? Is it me or you? I like the chess analogy because it sounds really cool. But I think you misunderstood my post and chess in general... Unfortunately, you don't realize that chess is an ever-evolving game. Victory is not based on one good move but a collection of moves. You have to look at the board as a whole and strategize accordingly.

You are right I could benefit from reading more. But I think you need to learn about the realities inside of Pakistan. We are a reactionary people and always have lived in India's shadow. Its time to build our own identity and capability. We need to invest in our own people before we look at others. The founding fathers of Pakistan tried to build an identity for us but we have lost our way. People like you are too immature to understand that.

Lastly, my mind might be a commoner's mind, but I am definitely not as stupid as you.

Injuns are..........Emmy.

 

[Rafi]

My sister in law is Sikh she was at Kartarpur, she is from injun Punjab, and she told me with tears in her eyes, that she was the most proud to be a Pakistani at that point.

Also according to her interactions with the Yatrees the unexploded IAF munition that attempted to destroy the shrine, made a great impression on the Sikh people.

And she says to pass on PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

 

[Hallian_Khan]

I experienced same my very dear friend is sikh n he was also there at kartaurpur n i quote he said
"yaar bc main aj tk itna proud feel nahi kya jitna us din kya yaar hum wahan seena chora kr k chal rhy thy ya hai wo Pak js me hum rehty hn"

My sister in law is Sikh she was at Kartarpur, she is from injun Punjab, and she told me with tears in her eyes, that she was the most proud to be a Pakistani at that point.

Also according to her interactions with the Yatrees the unexploded IAF munition that attempted to destroy the shrine, made a great impression on the Sikh people.

And she says to pass on PAKISTAN ZINDABAD