Zaid Hamid goes EPIC on Indians.

[humanfirst]

That is your bullsh*t version of history.

Critics of the "religion of the sword theory" point to the presence of the strong Muslim communities found in Southern India, modern day Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, western Burma, Indonesia and the Philippines coupled with the distinctive lack of equivalent Muslim communities around the heartland of historical Muslim empires in South Asia as refutation to the "conversion by the sword theory". The legacy of Muslim conquest of South Asia is a hotly debated issue even today. Not all Muslim invaders were simply raiders. Later rulers fought on to win kingdoms and stayed to create new ruling dynasties. The practices of these new rulers and their subsequent heirs (some of whom were borne of Hindu wives of Muslim rulers) varied considerably. While some were uniformly hated, others developed a popular following. According to the memoirs of Ibn Battuta who traveled through Delhi in the 14th century, one of the previous sultans had been especially brutal and was deeply hated by Delhi's population. His memoirs also indicate that Muslims from the Arab world, Persia and Turkey were often favored with important posts at the royal courts suggesting that locals may have played a somewhat subordinate role in the Delhi administration. The term "Turk" was commonly used to refer to their higher social status. However S.A.A. Rizvi points to Muhammad bin Tughlaq as not only encouraging locals but promoting artisan groups such as cooks, barbers and gardeners to high administrative posts. In his reign, it is likely that conversions to Islam took place as a means of seeking greater social mobility and improved social standing.

Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So as you can see there were a number of drivers involved in Muslim rule over India.

Just like how you lie about what Kashmiris think, you lie about your history.

Pathetic people.

I was not at all talking about any "conversions by sword" or anything like that..Just stating the fact that the ancestors of present day pakistanis were hindus and they were the nearest ones to the hindukush..In fact during the time around the birth and expansion of islam,the term hindu was mainly used by arabs to denote the people living near indus river-the kingdom of sindh especially..And in all probability they were the ones who got killed in hindukush..Not the south Indians as you mentioned,who by the way were reigning over an empire spanning the present day South India,Parts of sri lanka,Malasia,singapore and Indonesia(Some thing that they never teach you in your filtered history books)

 

[HariPrasad]

They think just because our forefathers worshiped their gods, we should too.

23% of the worlds population is Muslim, that is 1.6 billion people on this planet.

Hinduism is nothing in comparison, most Indians are turning away from Hinduism and they want us to return, what a joke.

Coming on a Pakistani forum and insulting our religion just because their forefathers were slaughtered and enslaved.

We were freed, because in our communities not only did we recognise God's word, we helped to spread it and later ruled over them for centuries, creating art, culture, spirituality.

You think the people that migrated over in the partition did so just for the fun of it? They left because they have Mughal blood and refuse to be subservient to them.

When you ruled, There was art culture and spirituality. Where did it vanished in true Islamic country? Or should we consider what is happening in God's favorite country today is a art, Culture and Spirituality?

 

[my2cents]

Yar tum loag be game nahi samajhte..... ZZH has to sell his books and sit reps, he charges $35 for the monthly magazine which has a very strong subscriber base in the diplomatic community, especially in countries like Iran...

Also at his peak and up until he went way beyond the wire, he was a security adviser to Shell Pakistan/Afghanistan and the South African Embassy in Islamabad, his reports were read by countless agencies, but that has all changed, no respectable security analyst or organisation want to associate themselves with ZZH now...

He is loyal to Pakistan however, having met him and spoken to him i can see that he is passionate, just misguided. Ultimately he was ISI's COINPRO on the TV... And what he says echos with the misguided youth who feel let down by mainstream politicians, so he also has a support base.

You chaps have your BJP, Pakistan has ZZH... We are both F****D up!

do you know if he is the mouth piece of ISI??? He never once seen criticizing the ISI or some its rogue elements??

 

[HariPrasad]

please send Zaid hamid to India, I want to see what will happen to him. He is the biggest joke pakistan has produced

We will get entertainment. We will not have to watch Internet. What surprise me is a big fan club of Him. Pakistanis do not understand the harm this guy is making to Pakistan. He is Number one liar also.

 

[Skylinee]

Those murdered in Hindukush were your ancestors (forefathers of present day Pakistanis and Afganis)
Once parts of Afganistan and Pakistan were Hindu majority, then after Muslim invasions millions Hindus were murdered at that place and their family were forcefully converted to Islam.

You are WRONG. There were other civilizations before hindus and even older ancient religions , so the claim of all pakistani ancestors being indian/hindu is NOT all true, some of it might be. For these northern regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan, there are a mix of Persian, Central Asian, Old Greek and other ancient civilizations.. Pukhtuns for example, come from very unique backgrounds and have existed for centuries, there are NOT indians or hindus.
And go look at the evidence for yourself, archaeologists find remains from Indus civilization, Buddhist and old Greek/Macedonian in Pakistan.

So stop acting like you people were the first to step foot on this planet

Oh and FYI hindus were already getting defeated by Persians (Zoroastrians), Greeks, Central Asians, Ancient Arabs etc... muslims came long after

 

[humanfirst]

You are WRONG. There were other civilizations before hindus and even older ancient religions , so the claim of all pakistani ancestors being indian/hindu is NOT all true, some of it might be. For these northern regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan, there are a mix of Persian, Central Asian, Old Greek and other ancient civilizations.. Pukhtuns for example, come from very unique backgrounds and have existed for centuries, there are NOT indians or hindus.
And go look at the evidence for yourself, archaeologists find remains from Indus civilization, Buddhist and old Greek/Macedonian in Pakistan.

So stop acting like you people were the first to step foot on this planet

Oh and FYI hindus were already getting defeated by Persians (Zoroastrians), Greeks, Central Asians, Ancient Arabs etc... muslims came long after

It can be verfied that sindhis were mostly hindus and budhists before advent of islam in the subcontinent..The same about pakistani punjabis whose hindu past can be still seen in their culture such as the exact same cast/clans in their population(Rajput,Jats,Chowdaries,Patels).Pashtuns are out of the equation here..

 

[humanfirst]

Since many pakistanis here are claiming the identity of invaders I think it is worth mentioning here is that of the present day pakistanis,only the pashtuns-afghans were of any worthy consideration in military structure of any hindu or muslim empire that ruled the subcontinent from Indian Capitals...Take mughals for example-Mughal army leadership consisted of afghans(Pashtuns),Turkik Mughals and Hindu Rajput generals and officers.No general, no subedar, no thanedar, no wazir, no bakhshi of the Mughal empire was a Muslim Punjabi Or Sindhi or Baluchi...That is despite converting to the religion of invaders!!!And to see their progeny trying to ride on the glory which they never had(Pashtuns exempted),and to celebrate the murder of their own ancestral people..Thats just beyond pathetic..

 

[Zarvan]

Well Zaid Hamid is a sworn enemy of Ulema and Madrasas which are the fortresses of islam. He is also abusing and bad mouthing the ulema and scholars. Moreover you should know that he openly calls the shuhada of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa as terrorists and openly expresses his joy and happiness at the shahadat of Lal Masjid and the killing of children and students of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa. Moreover he also commits shirk openly.

Yes and he has done right those who sell Islam for money should be abused these bastards take money from corrupt morons like Zia of khabrain akhbar and falsely blame others we can't support them he has more proof against these so called Ulemas

 

[RescueRanger]

do you know if he is the mouth piece of ISI??? He never once seen criticizing the ISI or some its rogue elements??

Of course he won't criticise ISI...

 

[JohnyBoy]

You are WRONG. There were other civilizations before hindus and even older ancient religions , so the claim of all pakistani ancestors being indian/hindu is NOT all true, some of it might be. For these northern regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan, there are a mix of Persian, Central Asian, Old Greek and other ancient civilizations.. Pukhtuns for example, come from very unique backgrounds and have existed for centuries, there are NOT indians or hindus.
And go look at the evidence for yourself, archaeologists find remains from Indus civilization, Buddhist and old Greek/Macedonian in Pakistan.

So stop acting like you people were the first to step foot on this planet

Oh and FYI hindus were already getting defeated by Persians (Zoroastrians), Greeks, Central Asians, Ancient Arabs etc... muslims came long after

I see you mentioned about Buddhist...Are you sure to what you have stated??

 

[INDIC]

You are WRONG. There were other civilizations before hindus and even older ancient religions , so the claim of all pakistani ancestors being indian/hindu is NOT all true, some of it might be. For these northern regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan, there are a mix of Persian, Central Asian, Old Greek and other ancient civilizations.. Pukhtuns for example, come from very unique backgrounds and have existed for centuries, there are NOT indians or hindus.
And go look at the evidence for yourself, archaeologists find remains from Indus civilization, Buddhist and old Greek/Macedonian in Pakistan.

So stop acting like you people were the first to step foot on this planet

Oh and FYI hindus were already getting defeated by Persians (Zoroastrians), Greeks, Central Asians, Ancient Arabs etc... muslims came long after

Punjabis and Sindhis were mostly Hindus during those day. Hindu Shahi dynasty existed in North Pakistan and Afghanistan. Most of the foreign races came to these areas the population always remained Hindu majority.

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

You are WRONG. There were other civilizations before hindus and even older ancient religions , so the claim of all pakistani ancestors being indian/hindu is NOT all true, some of it might be. For these northern regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan, there are a mix of Persian, Central Asian, Old Greek and other ancient civilizations.. Pukhtuns for example, come from very unique backgrounds and have existed for centuries, there are NOT indians or hindus.
And go look at the evidence for yourself, archaeologists find remains from Indus civilization, Buddhist and old Greek/Macedonian in Pakistan.

So stop acting like you people were the first to step foot on this planet

Oh and FYI hindus were already getting defeated by Persians (Zoroastrians), Greeks, Central Asians, Ancient Arabs etc... muslims came long after

I know Indians are full of **** but there is no need to deny hindu past of Pakistani population. Vedic Civilization extend was from Peshwar to Lahore and other areas in Indian punjab. These are ancient cities and genetic tests shows even syeds dont have anything to do with Iran and Arabs let alone other population of Pakistan.

 

[unitedstatesofislam]

Yes and he has done right those who sell Islam for money should be abused these bastards take money from corrupt morons like Zia of khabrain akhbar and falsely blame others we can't support them he has more proof against these so called Ulemas

Well i think you are not aware of the reality of Zaid Hamid. Zaid Hamid is a modern version of Qadiani cult. Zaid Hamid and Qadianis are the same thing. Ulema have solid proofs and evidence of this which are even available on the internet.

 

[Zarvan]

Well i think you are not aware of the reality of Zaid Hamid. Zaid Hamid is a modern version of Qadiani cult. Zaid Hamid and Qadianis are the same thing. Ulema have solid proofs and evidence of this which are even available on the internet.

He has nothing to do with Qadyanis this is the propaganda for which Mullahs took money from Zia Shahid because Zia Shahid bribed them to do this propaganda and they did it

 

[Menace2Society]

I was not at all talking about any "conversions by sword" or anything like that..Just stating the fact that the ancestors of present day pakistanis were hindus and they were the nearest ones to the hindukush..In fact during the time around the birth and expansion of islam,the term hindu was mainly used by arabs to denote the people living near indus river-the kingdom of sindh especially..And in all probability they were the ones who got killed in hindukush..Not the south Indians as you mentioned,who by the way were reigning over an empire spanning the present day South India,Parts of sri lanka,Malasia,singapore and Indonesia(Some thing that they never teach you in your filtered history books)

List of massacres in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are two recorded incidents of mass casualties in Pakistan, Debal and Narhemabad. The 4 tribes that lived in our geography accepted Islam and spread the word.

The massacres and enslavement you speak of happened deep in South India by Muslim armies, then us, the Mughals.

During the British empire it was us who fought them while your forefather kept his head bowed down like a slave.

Stop blending your history to mine, it is very different.

Difference is we did the conquering and plundering and you were the unfortunate victims. So stop blanketing your pathetic history with ours.