My dear Ali.009,
You have very lovingly talked about my "atheist love for Karl Marx" and that you're into Iqbaliyat. Had you ever indulged in reading Iqbal critically yourself and just the 5 or 6 poems that were included in our syallabus through secondary school and high school, you might have realized how influenced Iqbal was by Nietzsche and Marx. Iqbal's shaeen was influenced by Nitezsche's Übermensch (superman) but both were in entirely different context.
In Zarb e Kaleem, iqbal writes the following poem by voicing his poem from Marx's words:-
Karl Marx ki Awaz
Translation:-
The world does not like tricks and
Of science and wit nor, their contests
This age does not like ancient thoughts,
From core of hearts their show detests.
O wise economist, the books you write
Are quite devoid of useful aim:
They have twisted lines with orders strange
No warmth for labour, though they claim.
The idol houses of the West,
Their schools and churches wide
The ravage caused for, greed of wealth
Their wily wit attempts to hide.
Iqbal even wrote a poem called "Lenin: Khuda key Hazoor Mein" in Baal e Jibreel
Translation
ALL space and all that breathes bear witness; truth
It is indeed; Thou art, and dost remain.
How could I know that God was or was not,
Where Reason's reckonings shifted hour by hour?
The peerer at planets, the counter-up of plants,
Heard nothing there of Nature's infinite music;
To-day I witnessing acknowledge realms
That I once thought the mummery of the Church.
We, manacled in the chains of day and night!
Thou, moulder of all time's atoms, builder of aeons
Let me have leave to ask this question, one
Not answered by the subtleties of the schools,
That while I lived under the sky-tent's roof
Like a thorn rankled in my heart, and made
Such chaos in my soul of all its thoughts
I could not keep my tumbling words in bounds.
Oh, of what mortal race art Thou the God?
Those creatures formed of dust beneath these heavens?
Europe's pale checks are Asia's pantheon,
And Europe's pantheon her glittering metals.
A blaze of art and science lights the West
With darkness that no Fountain of Life dispels;
In high-reared grace, in glory and in grandeur,
The towering Bank out-tops the cathedral roof;
What they call commerce is a game of dice
For one, profit, for millions swooping death.
There science, philosophy, scholarship, government,
Preach man's equality and drink men's blood;
Naked debauch, and want, and unemployment
Are these mean triumphs of the Frankish arts
Denied celestial grace a nation goes
No further than electricity or steam
Death to the heart, machines stand sovereign,
Engines that crush all sense of human kindness.
-Yet signs are counted here and there that Fate,
The chess-player has check-mated all their cunning.
The Tavern shakes, its warped foundations crack,
The Old Men of Europe sit there numb with fear;
What twilight flush is left those faces now
Is paint and powder, or lent by flask and cup.
Omnipotent, righteous, Thou; but bitter the hours,
Bitter the labourer's chained hours in Thy world!
When shall this galley of gold's dominion founder?
Thy world Thy day of wrath, Lord, stands and waits.
You yourself said : "But hey, Iqbaliat Zindabad! " and have expressed views that Iqbaliyat is the way forward. If you had taken the leverage of reading Iqbal yourself and not just praisingf Iqbal b/c Zaid Hamid does, you might have known Iqbal's socialist inclinations as well. I do not claim that Iqbal was a socialist. Inclinations are different. No ideology is pure.
Hence, if I'm an atheist lover because I appreciate Karl Marx, then Iqbal must be an atheist lover as well. Socialist ideology as I said earlier can be free from the atheistic inclinations it took in the west during its heydays.
I am no way comparing myself to Iqbal. I will never be able to reach the exalted status the he has in both religion and the state of Pakistan. But it goes to show that you are highly uninformed in many aspects. You wasted a lot of posts by labeling me "an atheist lover" for I have an avatar of Karl Marx. Heck you had to create an event where he was abused by his father. I want to show you that Islamic thought and Socialism are compatible. Some even say they are a perfect match. But you resrted to stupid name calling and said that I must be an Israeli/Indian because I have raised doubts about ZH's weak reply to solid proofs against him. I'll say it again, these are not my collected evidences. If he comes clean, I'll take all my words back.
As I have iterated earlier, my religious beliefs are free from my political inclinations. You have posted a gajillion times about me being "an atheist lover of Karl Marx". You wrote a fake account about Marx's father being abusive and you calimed Marx was a freemason. I hope by reading these poems you might understand that even a staunch pan-Islamist like Iqbal appreciated the father of socialism Karl Marx and a intellectual turned bloody revolutionary like Vladimir Lenin. Free minds think freely, they are not bound by the shackles of a hate monger's speeches.
In the end, you have failed to debunk the claims I posted in the very second post of this topic.
