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That reporting a rape is an arduous ordeal is a truth that resounds globally. When braving for police investigations, enumerating the ordeal in court and damaging stereotypical media representations become a norm then the argument for a pellucid approach becomes preemptory.

In 2006, a much-heated debate on the Hudood Laws revealed the anatomy of rape, conflicting legalities involving misinterpretations of Shariah Laws and the deeply engrained distorted public perceptions. For those who followed the debate, there should be no qualms in admitting that it made the inherent flaws in interpretations of the law and the systematic distortion of a society sensitive to violence and abuse evident.

The women protection bill implemented later that year made it possible for a woman to convict on the basis of forensic and medical evidence. Aimed at encouraging women to report the crime, which was deterred due to the farcical ‘four witness’ rule enforced by the Hudood ordinance, the act has been strongly opposed by Jamaat-i-Islami, whose activists and leaders continue to lobby against the act.

In a recent interview to a local news channel, Munawar Hassan of Jamaat-i-Islaami had the following to say:

Anchor: Why did you vehemently oppose the women protection act?
Munawar Hasan: Women protection act was not aimed at protecting women instead it is meant to promote vulgarity and obscenity in the society.

Anchor: What is the basis of your allegations?
Munawar Hasan: On the basis of which we opposed the act.

Anchor: The fundamental purpose of the women protection act was (is) to provide women with the right to file cases on the basis of circumstantial and forensic evidence, making convictions of rape easier. Where is the obscenity in that?
Munawar Hasan: This bill has been part of law for years, how has that affected the rights of women in Pakistan? What is the one issue that can be pointed out as a success of this law?

Anchor: One blaringly obvious problem with the Hudood law was the need to present four witnesses in order to convict a rapist, failure to do so resulted in the arrest of the woman on charges of confession to adultery, that was the main issue.
Munawar Hasan: What is the problem in that?

Anchor: The problem is this sir, that according to the 2003 national commission status of women report 80 per cent women were forced to languish in jails because of inability to produce witnesses of their rape.
Munawar Hasan: The objective of Islam is to discourage such acts, no one can be shameless enough to commit such an act in the presence of four people. Making it impossible to prove such acts, therefore the whole idea is to discourage bringing such acts into public light. Discouraging it to the extent that the act is never quoted. If such a crime occurs and since there are no witnesses than both men and women are suppose to keep it under wraps and not discuss it in public.

Anchor: Sir, are you suggesting that a woman should stay silent after she is raped? That she should not report the crime?
Munawar Hasan: I am saying she should keep quite if she has no witnesses. If she has witnesses than she should present them.

Anchor: What kind of an argument is that? A woman is raped and she has to look for witnesses to prove the crime?
Munawar Hasan: Argue with the Quran and not me.
Anchor: I am not questioning the Quran, I am questioning your argument.

As it becomes evident, Munawar Hasan makes up for the lack of substance in his argument by accusing the anchor of speaking against the word of God, he then goes thus far as asking the anchor to read the ‘kalima’ and declare his faith. The anchor concludes the argument by suggesting that Islamic laws pertaining to rape should be respected but in the presence of facilities such as forensic study we should not refrain from conviction.

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Wow....simply, wow. The guy's argument is truly flawed. Keep rape under wraps? That's like giving every goddamned prick in the world a free license to rape every woman in the world. This is so retarded....

Someone proficient in Islam, please clarify the Islamic sharia and show us how the law must be interpreted. Or, is the law absolute and the woman has no option but to present 4 witnesses?
 
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One should not be surprised.

When one is walking on thin ice, bring in religion.

Ideal!
 
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WTF Rape has to do with religion.

Rape is Rape.
 
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WTF Rape has to do with religion.

Rape is Rape.

I agree with you. You shouldnt bring religion into it. I am not an expert in islamic sharia but my interpretation of my religion is that islam actualy gave women rights in a time when it was not common to do so. We have to remember that even in the west women were not even allowed to vote until relativly recently.
 
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Yes, women should just stay silent when some rabid animal attacks them. We wouldn't want them to speak up, get their injuries treated, put the animal in a cage where it belongs, and possibly protect other women in the community from being attacked by the same animal, would we! /s

Why is it that fanatics of all religions (including female fanatics) seem to be such woman-haters?
 
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Manuwar Hasan is seriously retarded. He clearly can't (or won't) differentiate between rape and adultery. In his sick mind convicting rapists would promote indecency and vulgarity.
The four-witness rule was clearly aimed at protecting women from being accused of bad character. There is no need for rape victims to produce four witnesses. Moreover, as if rapists woud strike in open places with a lot of audiences or spectators. Or how about a murder who can't be convicted because they're only 3 witnesses of the crime committed, the fourth being the dead guy? :lol:.
 
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Topic is banned on pdf dont post them will encourage others too
 
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Or, is the law absolute and the woman has no option but to present 4 witnesses?


Munawar Hussain is no Islamic scholar. He is just a medical doctor who likes to use Islam for political purposes and is filled with hate. Something like Dr. Pravin Tagodia of VHP in India who is no Hindu scholar but a medical doctor.

To expect these people to know about religion is wrong. There are just pseudo-religious nationalist who want to use religion for a political agenda.

On rape, it is very clear historically that it considered as hirabah. That is an act that is so serious that it is engender the society equivalent to highway robbery or terrorism. The punishment for that is death.

For more info read this article with the relevant explanation
Does Islam require four witnesses for rape?

The four witness rule is suppose to protect women from being falsely charged with adultery or bad character. That is to prevent slander.

For rape, there is no need for four witness and the rapist punishment if proved is death according to majority of the scholars.
 
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Adios Amigo is going to close/delete this thread.
 
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IWe have to remember that even in the west women were not even allowed to vote until relativly recently.

So why is Saudi Arabia the only country that bans women from voting.

Almost every religion has a history of misogyny, Islam is no different.

The "experts on sharia" are the ones who want to bring back those arhaic, barbaric laws.
 
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So why is Saudi Arabia the only country that bans women from voting.

Almost every religion has a history of misogyny, Islam is no different.

The "experts on sharia" are the ones who want to bring back those arhaic, barbaric laws.

Dont generalize- I am in favor of Shariah- but i dont want laws that oppress women-
 
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