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Your democracy is killing you and how China suppressed Covid-19

WHO visited China and stayed in 2 weeks toured dozens of Chines cities, you should wonder how accurate your data is cause your government isn't doing the testings, how accurate this can be?
You think team consisting of a dozen people who were given the data could accurately give the numbers? Mind you, it's the same China who didn't publish the report for more than a month. Why should we take anything that comes out of China as truth?

Any countries didn't screw up? Any countries else brought the virus under control?
All countries did a great job of reporting the outbreak on time. The delay was not 30 days nowhere in the world except in China.
 
Yes, there will be a wave of countries abandoning their democratic practices in favor of Chinese style authoritarianism.
 
You think team consisting of a dozen people who were given the data could accurately give the numbers? Mind you, it's the same China who didn't publish the report for more than a month. Why should we take anything that comes out of China as truth?
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So, what's your number? why China closed all makeshifts hospitals, sending billions of supplies and medical aid teams all over the world, and eased the lockdown of the country? you are just in absurd denial.

All countries did a great job of reporting the outbreak on time. The delay was not 30 days nowhere in the world except in China.
How about H1N1 when lockdowns never came and virus was just let free run?

tired of seeing these wacko chinese propaganda artists posting this kind of threads here.
Try not to see and read.

Yes, there will be a wave of countries abandoning their democratic practices in favor of Chinese style authoritarianism.
Probably not, but this crisis showed your flaws while your media has been bashing China's system around the clock.
 
Probably not, but this crisis showed your flaws while your media has been bashing China's system around the clock.
The flaws of a democracy are well known, prominent is that it can hinder governmental policies especially in times of national emergencies. But national emergencies are rare and in functional democracies, the national emergencies are usually wars and economics, not viruses. Whereas with authoritarian systems, like your China, national emergencies can come from a cartoon making fun of a leader. So yeah...Your system deserves bashing.
 
The flaws of a democracy are well known, prominent is that it can hinder governmental policies especially in times of national emergencies. But national emergencies are rare and in functional democracies, the national emergencies are usually wars and economics, not viruses. Whereas with authoritarian systems, like your China, national emergencies can come from a cartoon making fun of a leader. So yeah...Your system deserves bashing.
OK, you can focus on China bashing instead of virus containing like what your president has been doing and see what good it brings to you.
 
Your democracy is killing you and how China suppressed Covid-19
March 21, 2020Tim Newto

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On January 25, 2020 the Chinese government started locking down around 930 million citizens over the following few weeks, starting with the city centres of Hubei province, the probable ground zero of the outbreak, and spreading outwards. Most of these Chinese citizens are still quarantined in their homes.

About two weeks later, in the second week of February, the first Covid-19 cases were announced in Italy. A month later the southern European country has nearly 50,000 cases and a death rate of around 8.5%. Their hospitals are completely overwhelmed.

The rest of Europe hasn’t been immune either with cases springing in all corners of the continent, most notably in Spain, German, France and Switzerland. Around 6,000 people have now died around Europe, just a month after the first cases became apparent.

Across the pond, in the land of the free, the elected President told Americans that they were ready if any cases were identified. On February 15 the first case was identified in the US and the President assured US citizens that everything “was under control”. Now, a month later the US has an acute escalation of cases, pushing through 20,000 cases by late Saturday night (Thai time).

Elsewhere in the world there are few corners where cases aren’t now rising quickly. The rise of Covid-19 is real and in its first growth phase. And just wait until the virus takes hold in the African and South American continents. In reality, this is just the beginning and we’ve got a long way to go.

More is known about the Covid-19 coronavirus now, and there’s still a lot more to know. We do know it has a much higher death rate than the flu, but less than the SARS coronavirus back in 2002/2003.

Viruses with a high death rate usually peter out reasonably quickly as they kill their hosts before they are able to pass it on to another victim. Viruses, like the many seasonal flus, are highly contagious but only have a death rate of around 0.1%. Covid-19 is in a sweet spot in the middle where it’s quite contagious, but not as contagious as the flu, but has a death rate between 10-20 times higher than the seasonal flu. The other insidious characteristic of Covid-19 is that it’s carriers can walk around, highly contagious, for days, maybe up to 14 days, before symptoms kick in. By that time it’s too late.

These pandemics strike every ten years or so. Covid-19 won’t be the last virus to put the world on hold as it struggles to contain outbreaks.

Cut to Saturday, March 21 and only 41 new cases were identified in China in the past 24 hours. So China is on top of the coronavirus outbreak? Far from it. On January 25 a human experiment was started, the likes of which had never been launched on a population. The Chinese Government, an authoritarian dictatorship, locked down entire cities and instructed people that they MUST go home and stay home. And that’s that. And the home lockdowns were enforced by soldiers with guns.

But six weeks later the daily spikes in new cases did level off, then fall. The draconian action did curb the spread of the disease. But it won’t stop it, there will be another wave at some point. For now, the virus has been suppressed by removing its carriers out of the system. But it hasn’t been killed.

In the west elected governments have rolled out their lockdowns and closures in a much more staged fashion, respecting the liberties of their citizens. The slower response has resulted in a quick rise in cases.

The main game in the west has now become social distancing, a method recommended by epidemiologists to level off the spike in new infections, flattening the curve. The method does not stop the eventual spread of the virus, but it does slow it down. By slowing down the infection rate it takes the initial pressure off country’s health systems, pushes new case further down the line. Even better it allows people who contract the disease later the opportunity of better treatments and, maybe, even a vaccine in the next few years.

Put more frankly, there may be 50,000 people dying in the US over the next year as a result of the Covid-19 contagion. What health authorities are trying to avoid are 50,000 patients crowding hospitals all at once. Social distancing is a good method to slow down the spread of the virus. Forcibly locking people in their homes is even more efficient. (The figures are not real estimates, just an example)

China’s swift and drastic action, quite early in the outbreak’s evolution, has now given Chinese authorities some breathing space to rally for the probable second wave of infections. Their roll-out of mandatory home detentions did slow down, and suppress, the spread of the virus in China. It has been effective.

The virus likely started in a wet market somewhere in Wuhan, China. But it could have started in any wet market in the world. The virus doesn’t have a nationality, the virus just does what it’s told to do by its RNA coding – find a host and multiply.

But China’s swift response gave the world nearly two months of breathing space. In that time western governments could have become much better prepared for what was inevitable. They didn’t. The impact on budgets in free democracies, and the unpopular measures that would have to be taken, are more difficult to initiate where consensus and negotiation take precedence.

The take-home from our early experience of the Covid-19 outbreak is that the virus doesn’t care about how you elect, or don’t elect, your leaders. The only way to control or cope with a viral outbreak, on this scale, is swift, direct and completely disruptive actions. And none of that is likely to attract votes.

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/your-democracy-is-killing-you-and-how-china-suppressed-covid-19

We will see Democracy as a system being replaced after this pandemic, in West and others.

No thanks to China but the 1% who control the globe.
 
The flaws of a democracy are well known, prominent is that it can hinder governmental policies especially in times of national emergencies. But national emergencies are rare and in functional democracies, the national emergencies are usually wars and economics, not viruses. Whereas with authoritarian systems, like your China, national emergencies can come from a cartoon making fun of a leader. So yeah...Your system deserves bashing.
I see the numbers rising like crazy bro. Democracy has nothing to do with competency, Taiwan Japan SK SG did Ok. You see a pattern here? All confucian based East Asian countries.
 
You forget in these 70 years many times you were under military rule. There is no scope for destabilise , how much poverty was reduced by your military dictators?

The country progressed heavily in military rule but then again came the democracy and leg pulling circus. Compare Musharraf Era with Nawaz, ZadarI Era combined.
 
After reading many of the posts and counter-posts here following are being cleared up:

asking a Chinese person to understand a Chinese mistake is just not possible. They have a different way of not-thinking. For example, you ask them:
- why did China not control the virus in the lab? their answer is typical: it is the virus's fault it came out
- why did CCP people try to intimidate & discredit wuhan doctor? typical answer: it is just a political party
- why did it take 50 days before epidemiologist were sent to wuhan? typical answer: Xi Jinping visited much before

what can you do to bang some reasoning into a person who says CCP is just the ruling party in China, just like Republican in the US? Does he not understand the difference between a political party in the USA vs the single party tyranny in China?

Again, China is being very immature in this catastrophe. Instead of admit their grave and criminal mistake, tehy are trying to wiggle out with excuses, whataboutisms and outright lies blaming others.

Just admit it.
 
Democratic govt simple means a govt representative of people. Not necessarily an election ritual every 4 or 5 years. china too has direct elections at lower level but then then next elections is only among those who were aready elected.
On the other hand india conducts elections but is largely undemocratic. Its 5-10% castes control almost all of its top bureacracy, judges, defense and corporate boards.

Again most western countries are democratic in my opinion.
 
The combination of both democracy and authoritarianism is the best method.


When making a decision you need a lot of research and democracy approach.

But once the decision was made, you need authoritarian to execute it.

That is the right thing about how it should work.


But what happens in democracy country...

At first, they did the same thing, with a lot of research and democracy approach.

But when they execute it, there is still a lot of noise (because of democracy).

This noise has actually hindered progress and wasting time.


That is why at the first beginning of democracy... European statesmen already considered the above problem.

That is why they decided to create democracy as an indirect democracy.

You know indirect democracy, right?


China maybe has a different name...

But what they do is actually the same as indirect democracy.

Great results and high people satisfaction.


Don't be confused by the name.

Name is just representing something.

That something is what matters.


But it's human nature, just look at the religion.

They are fighting over the same thing but different names.
 
Every country had to choose between the economy and lives of elderly.
 

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